and do i think i bring anything new to the table? yes i do. I've read about 30 books on the subject since the beginning of the year, most more recent than 2008. this is the latest stuff in the debate. what happened 8 years ago might be irrelevant by now, what with new discoveries, new studies and the results of all the recents debates. have you done your homework and consulted what the people who disagree with you have to say? oh no that's right, you don't believe you can be mistaken, why would you?