Re: PreTrib is invalidated because it does not uphold "no one knows the day or hour"
There will be no other group after the last day.
On the last, day judgment day, the day of the seventh trump and the second and final resurrection it is all as one event.
Dispenstaionism theology is not a biblical principle. God works purifying the hearts of men through His living abiding word at all times. He puts no difference between a born again Jew and Gentile in that way
It is speaking of the Elect, the Church of God, the bride of Christ all others will be judged on the same day and then comes the end of the world. the end of time. The Sun and Moon under the feet of the saints.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
All the tribes as apostles(sent ones) to include those of the Israel who are not all Israel as born again saints.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
He already establishes it will be on the last day. There will be no literal thousand year reign of this corrupted earth and heavens. There is no mention of any activity going on after the last day.
The last days began when he said it is finished.
144,000. Twelves thousand to represent the old testament saints in whom the Spirit of Christ dwelt using the word tribes as gates, times twelve thousand a word to represent the unknown (we walk by faith not by sight) apostles as foundation stones together represent all of the elect identified as the bride of Christ the church . She is made up of many lively stones that form the spiritual house of God, the church.
Some would include Jews who have not been converted as if the flesh of a Jew was different then the flesh of a Gentile and God was a respecter of persons . The reformation has come. The use of the flesh of a Jew used as types and shadows to represent the unseen Spirit of God had come to an end. This began the tribulation as men looked to the flesh of others as in who is the greatest.
The two witnesses, the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) will be there to the end. That book of the law the bible will not depart until the new heavens and earth appear. The question is when he does come in Spirit on the last day. Will he find faith?
Yes the unconverted but they are recorded as being judged on that same last day the day of the last trump .
That event will happen on the last day .The saints that remain on earth reigning with the Spirit of Christ indwelling and those who are dead asleep will both hear the call of the second and final resurrection. And in the twinkling of the eye both will receive their new bodies that will house their new spirits and born again soul .
God's wrath is and has been revealed. His final wrath will come on the last day. Jesus as the son of man in respect to his flesh will not appear again .God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman (a human as a infallible interpreter) to stand between God and man. The Son of man refused to be called good teacher in that way, informing us God alone is good in respect to that not seen. Many are looking for Him to appear again in flesh as if one demonstration was not enough.
God remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:16
The question is why would they desire that he would return in the flesh seeing He is not a man as us?
How is it that you cannot conceive of other programs going on and other groups existing within end-time events other than the church?
On the last, day judgment day, the day of the seventh trump and the second and final resurrection it is all as one event.
Dispenstaionism theology is not a biblical principle. God works purifying the hearts of men through His living abiding word at all times. He puts no difference between a born again Jew and Gentile in that way
1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.... every saint
You read Matt.24:30-31 and Matt.13, and you think that it can only be speaking about the church. You pay no attention to the other scriptures and apply them to the end-time scenario.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
All the tribes as apostles(sent ones) to include those of the Israel who are not all Israel as born again saints.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Do you think that God in his word, is going reiterate all of the other details every time his word refers to end-time events? Do you think that he is going to rehash every detail every time end-time event is mentioned?
Whenever you read something that is different or read about another group, you need to include them into your end-time scenario in order to come to a proper conclusion.
For example, in Matt.24, we read nothing about the group of 144,000, which are twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes of Israel and that because they are only mentioned in the book of Revelation. So, this group becomes another part of the puzzle.
Some would include Jews who have not been converted as if the flesh of a Jew was different then the flesh of a Gentile and God was a respecter of persons . The reformation has come. The use of the flesh of a Jew used as types and shadows to represent the unseen Spirit of God had come to an end. This began the tribulation as men looked to the flesh of others as in who is the greatest.
In Matt.24 we read nothing regarding the two witnesses that will be prophesying in the streets of Jerusalem, but are mentioned in Rev.11 and they must therefore be included as being apart of end-time events.
In Rev.7:9-17, the great tribulation saints are introduced, but are not recorded in Matt.24. This is another group that needs to be included into the end-time events scenario.
Likewise, before Paul received the information regarding the mystery of living believers being transformed and caught up when the resurrection takes place, it was previously unknown and needs to be included in the end-time events scenario.
Same thing regarding the church not being appointed to suffer God's wrath. All of these things and more, must be taken into consideration when arriving at an understanding of end-time events.
God remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:16
The question is why would they desire that he would return in the flesh seeing He is not a man as us?
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