Is Jesus quoting God the Father in Mark 12.26?
Mark 12.26, But concerning the dead, that they are raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, as God spoke to him at the Bush, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"?
I continue to be amazed at the machinations of trinity doctrinaires.
God is indeed the God of the living, but that is NOT Jesus Christ speaking nor is it he being quoted, for scripture tells us plainly that Jesus is Lord of something that God is not the God of.
God is the God of the living, and not God of the dead.
Jesus is Lord of both the living and the Dead. So Jesus cannot be God. That would make Jesus the Lord of something he is not the God of. And if he were God, he could not be Lord of it for he could never be less than God. Even God cannot be less than God.
He is quoting Himself, God the Son, as thus…
Please indicate which in verse you discovered "Theos 'o 'uios!"
Exodus 3.1 - 6
And Moses was feeding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock behind the wilderness and came to the mountain of The Gods, to Horeb. And Malek Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a thorn bush. And he looked, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, and the thorn bush was not burned up! And Moses said, I will turn aside now and see this great sight, why the thorn bush is not burned up. And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and Elohim called to him from the midst of the thorn bush, and said, Moses! Moses! And he said, Behold me. And He said, Do not come near here. Pull off your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground. And He said, I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face, for he feared to look upon The Gods.
These verses tell us plainly that Moses both saw and spoke with Malek Yahweh (i.e. God the Son) in the midst of the fire.
Observe that the Triune God occupies the Mount (Moses came to the mountain of all The Gods ‘Ha- Elohim’), as the terms Yahweh, Elohim, Malek Yahweh & Ha- Elohim (literally all The Gods!) are used interchangeably.
Really? then who are the mal-awk created by Jehovah? (or as you say "malek" I would not dispute the spelling, only offer an alternate in accord with my own resources, which may or may not be as good as yours.)
Psalm 148:1
Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.2 Praise ye him,
all his mal-ak [angels]: praise ye him, all his hosts.3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.5 Let them praise the name of the LORD:
for he commanded, and they were created.
Gen 16:7 And [mal-awk Jehovah] the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
The phrase "Of The Lord" is in the genitive in the Septuagint. And in the Hebrew It is not "malawk Jehovah" but is mal-awk
of Jehovah. And it is so translated into English.
Who occupied the burning bush?
• Malek Yahweh
• Yahweh
• Elohim
• The Gods (Ha Elohim)
That Malek Yahweh is actually Yahweh, and that Moses spoke to Malek Yahweh, is proven in these verses, as thus…
Deut 4.15 - 19
herefore you shall carefully watch over your souls, for you have not seen any likeness in the day Yahweh spoke to you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire, that you not deal corruptly, and make for yourselves a graven image, a likeness of any figure, the form of a male or female, the form of any animal in the earth; the form of any winged bird that flies in the heavens; the form of any creeping thing on the ground; the form of any fish in the waters under the earth; and that you not lift up your eyes towards the heavens and shall see the sun, and the heavens, and you be drawn away and worship them, and serve them; which Yahweh Elohim has allotted to all the peoples under all the heavens.
See previous response.
It really should not come as any surprise that Moses saw and spoke to The Son, as the NT also records that Abraham did likewise…
John 8.56 – 58
Your father Abraham leaped for joy that he should see My day, and he saw, and rejoiced.Then the Jews said to Him, You do not yet have fifty years, and have You seen Abraham?Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came to be, I AM!
Total nonsense! Abraham never spoke to Jesus, in fact, never met Jesus, and Jesus makes no such claim, and neither does John who records it.
What did Jesus say?
What did John record that Jesus said? "Your father Abraham leaped for joy that he should see My day, and he saw, and rejoiced."
Trinitarians like to use this as proof that Abraham saw Jesus, and conversely, that Jesus was around in Abraham's dasy, speaking with Abraham.
But that is not what John said and it is not what Jesus said.
Jesus said "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." This man is telling us that Jesus' day has already come.
Now watch as the new testament destroys this small part of trinitarian doctrine, that Jesus day is past, and Jesus saw and spoke to Abraham;
Abraham did not rejoice to see Jesus in the flesh, he rejoiced to see the day of Christ, in prophecy. The proof? Read on..."Your father
Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."[Jn 8:56]
The saints wait for the day of Christ "unto the end," not "at the beginning."
"I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift;
waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end,
that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."[I Cor 1:4-8]
The day of Jesus christ is future and active -"For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you
will [epitelew] perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"[Phil 1:5-6] [epitelew verb ind future active 3rd per sing]
Saints are expected to grow in knowledge and in judgment till the "day of Christ." This cannot be true if the day of Christ was in the day of Abraham."And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent;that
ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;"[Phil 1:9-10]
Paul himself hoped to rejoice in "the day of Christ," not "in memory of" the day of Christ. "Holding forth the word of life;
that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."[Phil 2:16]
Paul says that any man who tells you that the day of Christ already came, or even that it is near at hand, is a deceiver. "
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."[II Thes 2:2-4]
Now look at a proper exegesis of John's account "John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am," should read "Before Abraham became I was."
The word translated "Was" in King James Version, comes from Greek worh "ginomai" which is the same word used in Luke 23:12 to tell us "And the same day Pilate and Herod ginomai [were made](became) friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
And two verses that translate Greek "eimi"
WAS.
THE FIRST:
"And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I [was] an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:"[Luke 19:22] [NOTE: eimi = indicative present active 1st person singular form of eimi; but in this verse is translated "was" to accomodate the pluperfect form of "to know" which is "knewest" (oida). [hdeis = indicative pluperfect form of oida] The Greek
pluperfect is used to describe an action that was completed, and whose effect is felt at a time after the completion of the action, but before the time of the speaker/writer.(The effect of the action of the perfect is felt at the time of the speaker/writer.)
THE SECOND:
Only one vere in all of scripture says "He was God" and that is found in - "And prayed unto him: and he was intreated of him, and heard his supplication, and brought him again to Jerusalem into his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that Jehovah he was God." [II Chron 33:13][NOTE: ["Was"= estin = indicative present active 3rd person singular form of eimi],Estin is translated "Was" to accomodate the aorist active form of ginwsko, "egnw."
Eimi translated "was." If the translators can translate "eimi" to read God "was" or "he was God" with reference to Jehovah, then the translators can translate "eimi" = indicative present active 1st person singular form of eimi, to read "Was;" as found in John 8:58.
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham [genesthai aorist deponent form of verb infinitive ginomai] became, I was."