Muslim Religion

Yeraza_Bats · May 30, 2016

Yeah? So what?

People point to things like the US president or Russia or the Pope when talking about bible prophecy because they are things they understand. They believe that all prophecy must have something to do with them directly, there are people out there who cannot accept that the bible was written about a nation different from the nation they are from.

In the OT, all the names of the anti christ refer to the Turkey/Syria/Iraq region. The "prince of tyre", the "cheif prince of Meshech and Tubal", "the Assyrian", the "King of Babylon".

The anti christ will be a religious man. Yes he places himself above all gods, but Daniel wrote right after that that he honors a god of war, and goes off to glorify this god. (therefor the Jews are not the anti christ)

The anti christ must gather against Israel. There is no group out in the world more dedicated to the destruction of the Jews and Israel than the muslims, in fact its very much in their scriptures to make war with the Jews. Buhkari 52:177- "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind a Jew will cry out "oh muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so come kill him"

The Mahdi of Islam looks a whole lot like the anti christ of the bible. He will come to break down crosses, tell us Christ was not the Son of God, kill the Christians and the Jews, and even set himself up in the Temple of God in Jerusalem. Muslims will even take a mark from him to show their submission, it will be given to them with the staff of Moses.

I would place all my money on the Mahdi of Islam being the anti christ.

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

Bismillah (Arabic: "In the name of God" or "In the name of Allah") is the first word in the Quran and the incipit (the shortened form) of the basmala, a name for the Quran's opening phrase in Arabic, bismillāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm ("In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the most Merciful")

What did Christ instruct John to do?

Rev 1: [SUP]11 [/SUP]saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia:

John is to "WRITE WHAT HE SEES."

What if John saw an army beheading Christians who were wearing this symbol on head bands or wrist bands and he copied the below down because he saw it? So rather than the Greek 600, 60 and 6 we have the Arabic Bismillah?

It gives Rev 13:18 a different meaning. Instead of this:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666, we could have this:

Thus Rev. 13:18 can be translated: "him that hath understanding determine the multitude of the beast: for it is a multitude of men; and his multitude fights in the name of Allah."

I am simply showing this as a possibility. I am not stating this as fact or changing the words of Revelation in case some of you freak out. When you see "Here is wisdom" know that it isn't the obvious. It is something else. Which religion beheads? Which religion hates Christians and Jews alike? Which religion surrounds Israel on all sides? 1+1 = ISLAM

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

Yeraza_Bats said:

You are light years ahead of most prophesy lovers on here my young friend. Good for you!!! ISLAM is hiding in plain sight. The Bible is loaded with clues all of which point to Islam which of course wasn't even in existence for another 500-600 years after the Bible was completed.

Rev 6:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale (CHLOROS is translated GREEN everywhere else in the Bible, so it is not a PALE horse, it is a GREEN HORSE. The translators did not think a green horse was possible so they went with a secondary option) horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

GREEN is the official color of ISLAM. Green represents "Paradise" in Islam. They think they go to Paradise when the blow themselves and others up in the "Name of Allah" but instead, the above tells us that "DEATH AND HADES FOLLOWS THEM!!!"

Muslims make up 1/4 of the world's population. Thus they have power over their 1/4 of the world to kill. And they are killing now. They kill by various means. War, starvation (the poorest nations are Islamic), by death which can be plagues, disease, biological, chemical or nuclear weapons and by the beasts of the earth which means "nations of earth" or countries who sponsor terror.

We see after the fourth horse the result of all this killing by Jihadists. We see souls in heaven crying out for revenge at the 5th seal. Makes sense to me.

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

Seems to match pretty closely!

JustWhoIAm · May 30, 2016

PlainWord said:

My guess is that the Romans had something to do with the founding of Islam.

Today we have Obama in bed with Islam and the pope... A lot of subversion on the church based on the minimization of the divinity of Christ, which is a common thread in world religion today. Jesus is being used to sell people on the idea of a watered-down gospel. Idolatry in the catholic church as well as in Islam...

ONE antichrist? A lot of antichrist activity. A religious conspiracy.

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

When Muslim "call to worship" music is played, Muslims must face Mecca, bow down on their prayer mats and pray. Anyone who has been to Islamic countries knows this all to well. Thus their manner of worship closely resembles what they did in original Babylon. I suspect this, and the location, is why ISLAM is called, "Mystery Babylon."

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

JustWhoIAm said:

Mosques are replacing Christian churches all over Europe. The mayor of London is now a Muslim. Just what or how the "falling away" takes place is an open question to me. What is clear to me is that ISLAM wishes to become the only acceptable religion. How far they come in this goal is unclear to me. Do they corrupt the Christian faith into compromise as you seem to suggest or do they use murder and fear as a way of intimidating Christians to stop practicing Christianity? I honestly don't know at this point. It does appear that whatever it is, has started.

JustWhoIAm · May 30, 2016

Pope says, "Hey, Zeus, I got a book for you. It's sitting on the desk at home. I'm getting in my black car now."

Hey! Zeus says, "Dude. Why would i take anything from you? You still haven't leveled with me. And why is Obama involved in this?"

peacenik · May 30, 2016

FranC said:

Hi Fran,

Thanks for your reply.

Youtube has geographical restrictions and perhaps that may be the reason why you cannot see it. Or the European Union may have banned that video as it was criticized in it.

Here in the USA for decades we wasted untold billions in the military industrial complex because of the fear of the Soviet Union. It was continually said they were the Antichrist who was out to deny Christ, destroy capitalism, and conquer the world. All these myths attributable to teachings from the Bible. Today we are told precisely the same things about Muslims. And once again the pundits who do so are using the same teachings from the Bible with, of course, a different spin.

By the way, the right wing television evangelists also believe the end is near. As did the Armstrong family which created the now defunct World Wide Church of God back in the 1940s. We have heard lots and lots of doom and gloom over these many decades. But ultimately it is up to God to determine when or if that time is to come.

PlainWord · May 30, 2016

It isn't about who was wrong in the past. It is about who is correct now. This pundit is correct. ISLAM is mystery Babylon as I have been showing on these pages. The Beast that carries her has/had 7 heads which were historic evil empires. The ten horns (leaders) arose out of Daniel's 4th beast (Rome).

Islam has roots back to Egypt and Babylon and even Babel. The symbol of Islam, the star and crescent (moon) dates back to at least Egypt and this symbol is atop every mosque as shown below. Some times the symbol is just the crescent without the star which depends on whether or not the mosque dates back to the Ottoman Empire.

The below is a picture I took at the Louvre in Paris last fall. This is from Egypt. Notice the serpent with the moon?

We sometimes mock what we don't understand. Look at the figure all the way to the right. All these past versions of ISLAM follow the sun (star) and moon. Islam call to worship 5 times a day based on the position of the sun!!!

FranC · May 30, 2016

PlainWord said:

Daniel 12:4
"shut up the words and seal the book"...
What does this mean?
I understand this to mean that everything Daniel was told was to be sealed until the end times when it would once again be revealed, or preached, or taught.
But what was to be sealed? The battle just before this verse?

Daniel and Revelation are not my favorite books - I have difficulty with eschatology and do not study it enough.

Fran

FranC · May 30, 2016

JustWhoIAm said:

I very much agree, except that I don't believe Rome had anything to do with the founding of Islam. I don't know how long it'll take, but it looks like we're headed toward a one-world religion.

I believe this Pope would be in favor of this. Catholicism is looking more and more Protestant. The Pope just changed one important doctrine (although some will say he didn't because they cannot accept it) and if you can change one doctrine, you can change them all.

I'm sorry I can't keep up with this thread - it's really interesting.

Fran

FranC · May 30, 2016

PlainWord said:

PW,
I don't even have to go to a Muslim country.
I live in Italy, not in Milan.
However, I know for sure that when the time for Muslims to pray, they stop right where they are and take up space on the sidewalks and people have to go into the street, with traffic, to get around them.

You're also right about mosques. And what are they but a breeding ground and a meeting place for terrorists. Now it's true that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it's also true that all terrorists are Muslim. Never say ALL, but pretty close to it. And, even the ones who are not violent, would be very happy to see an Islamic world.

I said up above that it seems to me that we're headed toward a one-world religion, but how would they get on board?
Maybe we don't even have anymore time for this one.world religion??

Isn't the Temple, though, supposed to be rebuilt before the anti-Christ comes?

Fran

FranC · May 30, 2016

peacenik said:

Hi Peacenik,
I'm American - I know what went on and what goes on in the States.

I grew up fearing Russia - it's real to me.
I agree with what you say. PlainWord is very knowledgable and you could tell he has zeal for this topic. He has a lot to offer those of us, such as myself, who refuse to study the end times. (Don't know why).

The only thing I will say is that until our generation it was not possible to destroy the earth. The first time it was by water and God promised He would never do that again. The second time it'll be by fire. This became possible in 1945 when the first atomic bomb was successfully tested. So now it has become a real possibility.

Fran

mar09 · May 30, 2016

I have not been able to follow this thread as i wanted to, and not sure either if someone might have posted abt this 5-min. vid somewhere here. But this caught my attention some 2 mos.ago and i have been thinking to post some time. Tells abt how much the islamic religion has been butchering ppl all these centuries, far more than all other religions.[video=youtube;Kn9mAb6rYS8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9mAb6rYS8[/video]

peacenik · May 30, 2016

PlainWord; said:

Recall that Lindsey used the biblical quote about the city of 7 hills both of which were applied to Rome and to Moscow. This, he felt, made his argument a strong one. I did some reading based on your posts and see that Mecca is said to be built on 7 hills as well. On that basis, maybe there is some validity in this regard to what you are saying.

Lindsey was proven to be wrong. We shall see whether your ideas will be eventuated by history.

FranC · May 31, 2016

peacenik said:

Good morning Peacenik
I'm here to tell you that I doubt the end will be coming from Rome.
I live here where Rome is found, and I doubt they could end anything down there
except our financial well-being. They're very good at that.
As to the end of the world - I think that requires some skill,
something sorely lacking in the city of 7 hills, at least the one here!

Just a thought...

Fran

FranC · May 31, 2016

Regarding Barack Hussein Obama
WHY is he so unwilling to just call it what it is: Islamic Terrorism.
?
WHY has he allowed it to flourish in Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.
?

Fran

PlainWord · May 31, 2016

FranC said:

Hi Fran,

So jealous. I love Italy. I used to travel there for business, mostly up north, Orta and Brescia. Love the south too, Sorrento and the Amalfi Coast. Miss the food, the people. Anyway...

Yes you are correct, when prayer time comes, everything stops. It is just like the way Daniel described it in ancient Babylon in Chapter 3. You are correct too in your comments regarding terrorism and mosques.

As for there being a one-world religion, I don't agree with most people that such a thing is prophesied. This idea comes mostly from these two Rev 13 passages.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

I believe John was speaking of the Muslim earth or world and not the entire planet. I say this because a specific location is given as the lion, leopard, bear which correlates to Dan 7 which is Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece which today would be Iran, Iraq, Syria and perhaps Turkey. Secondly, the word, "earth" can mean a certain people such as Muslims or it can mean the "known earth" of that time.

In John's day, his understanding of the planet wouldn't have been much different than it was for Daniel in his day just 500-600 years earlier. In Daniel 8, Daniel makes a prediction about Alexander the Great and his army:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

Daniel tells us that the male goat (Alexander) crossed the surface of the "whole earth" but history tells us he didn't cross the entire planet. Instead he went from Greece to northern India. This could hardly be considered crossing the whole earth or planet but to Daniel it was pretty much the known earth to him. Since John is using Daniel's symbolism of the "beasts" including the lion, leopard, bear and the ten horns, etc, we should infer that John's use of "earth" would also be the same - that his John's known earth, which was his matter of speaking of his day. Again, not much changed from the 500s BC to the first century AD in terms of understanding the planet.

In short, this all leads me to believe that the known world to John would become Islamic as we can clearly see in the below map. It was heavily Christian but not anymore. Today's John's known earth and Daniel's known earth is dominated by Islam.

As for a third temple, I can find no such direct and explicit prophesy of a man-made third Jewish temple being built. If you notice, Jesus never tells us that the Abomination of Desolation is set up in a temple. Instead, Jesus says this:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not”

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place”

Jesus references Daniel and Daniel says this:

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

So we have three terms used and none of them were "temple":

1. Where it ought not
2. Holy Place
3. Sanctuary Fortress

Clearly both Daniel and Jesus have used the word, "temple" in other passages and they know what a temple is so the fact that neither used the word "temple" here is revealing that the A of D is set up in a location other than a temple but in a holy place - perhaps the Wailing Wall. Now I'm not saying a third temple won't be built, I'm just saying I can find no direct proof or requirement that one is built by the Jews in Jerusalem.

Paul uses the word, "temple" in 2 Thes 2 but doesn't say where the temple is located and I have a theory on that.

JosephsDreams · May 31, 2016

PlainWord said:

I agree with everything about this subject you have posted. You last post, the part about the temple, I am not not in agreement, but I do admit it is a possibility that a third temple will not be built. But I think it is in satans prideful nature to have a third temple built so he can then tell the Jews "now worship me". i know that is not actually a quote, but I can hear him saying something like that. So that being something I can see satan doing, I tend to believe the third temple will be built. Also, that would go a long way toward the world peace the anti-christ will usher in. I can see him selling it as you (or we) Muslims have Mecca, the dome of the rock, give the Jews their temple. They are a small insignificant people who no longer have power and influence in thew world, for world peace, let them build their in puny temple. i can picture satan selling it like that in the future. I guess time will tell.
Thank you for you excellent posts on this subject. I have been saying these things that you said in a much more detailed and educated manner for some years now. If you want to read a good book on the Muslims, pick up Islam and the psychology of the Muslim by Andre Servier. It was written about 100 years ago and is not influenced by modern societies mistaken world view of Islam. I am only about 20 pages in, and it is very. very informative.

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