Muslim Religion

[Yeraza_Bats]

I did have some anger in my responses. Every day I come to this site, I see people who come to threads where Christians are talking out about the things in our world that are turning people away from Him, and shame them. They come in to make themselves look righteous and Godly by claiming those who are speaking about the evils in the world are being hateful by doing so, and that we need to be more like them by "loving" everyone.

Im not claiming peacenik of this at all, I just get kinda mad when I see others shame His followers to make themselves look heroic. I understand the fear of becoming hateful, but I can guarntee that I pray for the muslims, and that I very much worry for them. And that I rejoice in Christ when I watch videos on youtube about Muslims who have come to Him, or videos with testimonies from former Muslims who have been personally visited by Him in order to bring others lost to Him, too.

I do not hate muslims. But yes, I very much hate Islam. I believe it is from satan to lead mankind away from Him by their own confusion of who God is. I think its evil and will lead to the death of many men.

But like I said, thats my feelings about Islam. It is not how I feel about Muslims. They are the first victims of Islam.

 

[peacenik]

Peacenik,

I think what Brother Yeraza_Bats is trying to say is we Christians do not hate Muslims and in fact we are to pray for them. Our father is long suffering not willing that any should perish. Personally I would love to see as many Muslims as possible turn away from Allah (Satan) and turn to Jesus.

There is no doubt in my mind that Allah is Satan. As Rev 13:4 teaches, "They worship the Dragon." Once the identity of the Beast and Harlot are understood (as I've been showing you), then it is clear that Muslims have been deceived into worshiping Satan when they think they are really worshiping our true God.

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It is estimated that the Ottoman Empire slaughtered some 50 million Christians during its reign. You can point out some past atrocities of Christians or the Church such as during the Crusades as Obama does, but that was the past and none of us today should feel any sense of responsibility for actions of others some 1,000 years ago.

I have read of these claims that Ottomans killed over 50 million but there is some confusion among that religion's many critics. For indeed, it is the Soviets who killed far more, not the Muslims:

history - Have 50 million Eastern Orthodox Christians been killed in the 20th century? - Skeptics Stack Exchange



As for the notion that any one religion is the Antichrist, see my earlier writing which shows that many Protestants say the same thing about Catholicism:

PROOF THAT THE POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST

Who is the Real Antichrist? - The Real Bible Antichrist


Over the years I have listened to some of these radio/television evangelists who say the same. Thus, you are saying precisely what anti-Catholics have said for centuries.

 

[FranC]

Hmmmm ~~~ In reviewing this thread I have seen Muslims equated with satan, accused of mass genocide, accused of massive enslavement, and equated with terrorists who persecute Christians. That while they call themselves the religion of peace, they are just the opposite. All this while ignoring the fact that Christian professing types have committed far worse mass genocide, enslaved more people, and practiced even worse terrorism. This as all the while they claim to worship the Prince of Peace. By the way, some Christians such as Catholics have been accused of worshiping satan. So while you suggest that there is no appearance of hatred towards Muslims, I respectfully suggest that the words here bespeak of of this negative sentiment.

Matthew 5:44 instructs all good Christians to love their enemies, pray for them, and to overcome evil with good [Romans 12:14 et seq]. I suggest that the focus of this thread's content here be altered from the very evident hostility to one of Christian good. What suggestions do you and others have to get this accomplished?

Peacenik
I'm shocked!
Are you sure you read this whole thread?
Who hates who? Yes. Let's call it hate. Do you think Muslims like you??
Are you cutting off heads or are THEY cutting off heads?
Who hates who?

Who are they closer to? God the Almighty or satan. Whose will do they accomplish? Are they doing the work of satan or of our God?

WHO is committing the mass genocide in Syria, for example? WHY do you think the inhabitants of Syria are fleeing to Northern Europe? Because Isis, which is Muslim, is treating them nicely?

Do you not believe they are enslaving young girls? Did you hear about the 200 that disappeared about 18 months ago and have not been heard of since? And this is only because it made world-wide news. This happens all the time. Google it.

You don't think Christians are being persecuted? Did you ever hear of the bombs placed in churches in Nigeria? Northern Africa and the Middle East are doing the worst of all.

You think Christians have done worse? The Islamic religion has caused at least 120 million deaths - more than any religion or any government. This could be googled too.

I, and I believe the majority of others, are not saying to hate Muslims. We're saying that THEY don't like US and we should be awake and vigilant to the danger we're in. And we ARE in danger. Do you ever catch the news?

Yes. I think you should start watching the news and informing yourself. YOU are part of the problem. It's kind of like having cancer but you don't know about cancer so you end up dying instead of being cured of it.

As far as Mathew 5:44 -
As to God saying to pray for those who persecute you and loving your enemy - I think you've misunderstood some concepts here. Praying is good. But Jesus didn't mean that you should stand around loving your enemy while he was coming at you ready to cut your head off.

Read Luke 22:36
Mathew 10:14-15 might also be of help. And let's not forget:
Mathew 10:16

Jesus was smart. Read Mathew 10:23
He told the Apostles to flee from a city when persecuted there. He didn't tell them to hang around and wait for death. You misunderstand what love your enemy means. It means that you are not to HATE your enemy, it doesn't mean that you are not to be aware of him and protect yourself from him. You should not be offensive, but you should be defensive. You should be kind to everyone - that's good. But not to the guy who's trying to break into your home at 3 in the morning. Try being nice to him! I think it won't work well.

Fran

 

[peacenik]

Peacenik
I'm shocked!
Are you sure you read this whole thread?
Who hates who? Yes. Let's call it hate. Do you think Muslims like you??
Are you cutting off heads or are THEY cutting off heads?
Who hates who?

Who are they closer to? God the Almighty or satan. Whose will do they accomplish? Are they doing the work of satan or of our God?

...
Fran

again, I have answered that as many Protestant critics say precisely the same things about Catholics and I have supplied links


I think all of us should pause and reflect as to whether we should be judgmental about these religions and its adherents. In the mean time, please remember that you are commanded​ to love your enemies.

 

[FranC]

again, I have answered that as many Protestant critics say precisely the same things about Catholics and I have supplied links


I think all of us should pause and reflect as to whether we should be judgmental about these religions and its adherents. In the mean time, please remember that you are commanded​ to love your enemies.

If we cannot be judgemental Peacenik,
How are we to discern what is right and what is wrong?

 

[FranC]

again, I have answered that as many Protestant critics say precisely the same things about Catholics and I have supplied links


I think all of us should pause and reflect as to whether we should be judgmental about these religions and its adherents. In the mean time, please remember that you are commanded​ to love your enemies.

I haven't read about any Catholics cutting anybody's head off lately.
If believe Catholics serve satan, that is also their prerogative. It does NOT make it be true.
However, some beliefs ARE true!

Fran

 

[FranC]

again, I have answered that as many Protestant critics say precisely the same things about Catholics and I have supplied links


I think all of us should pause and reflect as to whether we should be judgmental about these religions and its adherents. In the mean time, please remember that you are commanded​ to love your enemies.

Regarding loving your enemies:
Whip out your bible. Do an exegesis on the verses I gave you and then come back and report to us what they mean.
Apparently you don't trust what I've said they mean.

Fran

 

[PlainWord]

I have read of these claims that Ottomans killed over 50 million but there is some confusion among that religion's many critics. For indeed, it is the Soviets who killed far more, not the Muslims:

history - Have 50 million Eastern Orthodox Christians been killed in the 20th century? - Skeptics Stack Exchange



As for the notion that any one religion is the Antichrist, see my earlier writing which shows that many Protestants say the same thing about Catholicism:

PROOF THAT THE POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST

Who is the Real Antichrist? - The Real Bible Antichrist


Over the years I have listened to some of these radio/television evangelists who say the same. Thus, you are saying precisely what anti-Catholics have said for centuries.

I encourage you to visit the Armenian quarter in Jerusalem if you have any doubt about what the Islamic Ottoman Empire did.

The "AntiChrist" is a false name. There are many "antiChrists." Anyone who denies the Father and Son are "antiChrists" according to John. I wish people would stop using the term AntiChrist when they are referring to the "Little Horn" of Daniel 7 which is the "Lawless One", "Man of Sin", "Son of Perdition" of 2 Thes 2. So many misconceptions out there. This character does not come claiming to be Christ. He comes claiming to be above everything called "God."

Dan 7: [SUP]25 [/SUP]He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High...

Someone speaking "pompous words" against God will not come claiming to be His Son. I don't know who started this nonsense, but it has to stop.

2 Thes 2: and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God...

Notice he opposes God and exalts himself above God? He doesn't claim to be God but rather sits in the Temple of God making people think he is God. So if anything he is AntiGod, not AntiChrist.

This Lawless One, who I call Man of Sin, does miracles so people speculate as to who he is. Some will suggest that he is the Christ as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

Anyway, why does everyone think the Pope will be this evil person? I'm not a big fan of the Catholic Church but they are certainly not Mystery Babylon, the Harlot religion. That title belongs to Islam. We see the Harlot is burned and her followers go straight to a very hot place.

Rev 14: “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever...

Rev 20: [SUP]15 [/SUP]And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Who is not found in the Book of Life? Non Christians:

Rev 13: [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Catholics most certainly believe in Jesus and that he's God's Son. Ever see a Catholic not wear a Cross? Most of them do. St. Peter's Basilica is named after who? What does Christ say about Peter?

Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Do you not see that the Gates of Hades shall not prevail against Christ's (His) Church? That's not what it says about those following the Beast and its Harlot religion. So people really need to stop with the Catholic bashing. They are not the evil one world religion that so many think. Let's go with the bigger, falser religion that is actually beheading people today and who hates Jews and Christians. Talk about Pink Elephants hiding in plain sight and nobody wants to acknowledge them in the room.

 

[PlainWord]

Peacenik
I'm shocked!
Are you sure you read this whole thread?
Who hates who? Yes. Let's call it hate. Do you think Muslims like you??
Are you cutting off heads or are THEY cutting off heads?
Who hates who?

Who are they closer to? God the Almighty or satan. Whose will do they accomplish? Are they doing the work of satan or of our God?

WHO is committing the mass genocide in Syria, for example? WHY do you think the inhabitants of Syria are fleeing to Northern Europe? Because Isis, which is Muslim, is treating them nicely?

Do you not believe they are enslaving young girls? Did you hear about the 200 that disappeared about 18 months ago and have not been heard of since? And this is only because it made world-wide news. This happens all the time. Google it.

You don't think Christians are being persecuted? Did you ever hear of the bombs placed in churches in Nigeria? Northern Africa and the Middle East are doing the worst of all.

You think Christians have done worse? The Islamic religion has caused at least 120 million deaths - more than any religion or any government. This could be googled too.

I, and I believe the majority of others, are not saying to hate Muslims. We're saying that THEY don't like US and we should be awake and vigilant to the danger we're in. And we ARE in danger. Do you ever catch the news?

Yes. I think you should start watching the news and informing yourself. YOU are part of the problem. It's kind of like having cancer but you don't know about cancer so you end up dying instead of being cured of it.

As far as Mathew 5:44 -
As to God saying to pray for those who persecute you and loving your enemy - I think you've misunderstood some concepts here. Praying is good. But Jesus didn't mean that you should stand around loving your enemy while he was coming at you ready to cut your head off.

Read Luke 22:36
Mathew 10:14-15 might also be of help. And let's not forget:
Mathew 10:16

Jesus was smart. Read Mathew 10:23
He told the Apostles to flee from a city when persecuted there. He didn't tell them to hang around and wait for death. You misunderstand what love your enemy means. It means that you are not to HATE your enemy, it doesn't mean that you are not to be aware of him and protect yourself from him. You should not be offensive, but you should be defensive. You should be kind to everyone - that's good. But not to the guy who's trying to break into your home at 3 in the morning. Try being nice to him! I think it won't work well.

Fran

Really very well stated Fran. I couldn't have said it better!!! Let me just add one thing.

God's wrath or ANGER is poured out against who?

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken... [SUP]21 [/SUP]I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

What religion does Gog and its allies follow? What's the religion of Persia (Iran), Ethiopia and Libya? They ain't Catholic!!

‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Who does God rid from the Holy Land?

Zec 14: In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Who are those who live all around Israel and what religion do they follow?

Eze 28:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”

CASE CLOSED

 

[peacenik]

Plainword,

Anyone who denies the Father and Son are "antiChrists" according to John.

I have previously quoted that line on this forum. While Muslims have been accused of that even though they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah [again, quotes previously supplied], Jews do not. When I asked, do you believe Jews are antichrists? That was denied. Again, the problem on this forum is the selectivity the membership applies to others. We keep getting different numbers as to how many people were killed by Muslims but the numbers killed by Christians which are clearly even higher are disregarded.



Mass genocide? Throughout the rest of the world Bush is viewed as a terrorist and genocidal imperialist. After all, he said God told him to invade Iraq and called his campaign a "crusade". The term crusade is offensive to Muslims as it is the equivalent of a "pogrom" to Jews. Remember Abu Ghraib? Gitmo?


consider this:

Therefore, if you are still intent on judging anyone, start by judging those at home who spread death and violence overseas. Otherwise, you are part of the problem.

 

[PlainWord]

I have previously quoted that line on this forum. While Muslims have been accused of that even though they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah [again, quotes previously supplied], Jews do not. When I asked, do you believe Jews are antichrists? That was denied. Again, the problem on this forum is the selectivity the membership applies to others. We keep getting different numbers as to how many people were killed by Muslims but the numbers killed by Christians which are clearly even higher are disregarded.



Mass genocide? Throughout the rest of the world Bush is viewed as a terrorist and genocidal imperialist. After all, he said God told him to invade Iraq and called his campaign a "crusade". The term crusade is offensive to Muslims as it is the equivalent of a "pogrom" to Jews. Remember Abu Ghraib? Gitmo?


consider this:

Therefore, if you are still intent on judging anyone, start by judging those at home who spread death and violence overseas. Otherwise, you are part of the problem.

I guess we need to go over this again since you want to equate the Jews with the Muslims in terms of the passage I referenced. Here's the passage. Please try to pay close attention.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

Notice the word "and" which I emphasized for you? Jews do not deny the father and that He has a Son. Many, however, feel the Son hasn't arrived yet. But the verse says that you have to deny both father AND son. Since Muslims believe that their god, Allah, had/has no son, they deny that their god is a Father and therefore has no Son. So, they deny BOTH, Father and Son.

You see, the Bible is very precise. Every Word is perfect and accurate to a Tee. This passage can only refer to Muslims and certainly not Jews. Jews that deny that Jesus was the Christ are liars. They are not AntiChrists.

 

[peacenik]

Muslims say they are one and the same God. According to accounts that I have read "Allah" originally came from the Assyrian name "Alaha" or "Elah" in Aramaic. The Hebrew language does not have vowels but insert the letter A in Yhwh and you get Yahwah which sounds almost exactly like the Arabic Allah. Note that "Allah" is an Arabic name, not a Muslim name (yet, the name has been used by Mizrahim Jews). It pre-dates Mohammed by multiple centuries.

If you have read the Koran then you know its writer specifically calls the Bible "The Book" (Sura 2:87) because they revere the same God. ''He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3)'' This does not conform with Christian teaching but that is what they teach. And they, unlike Jews, acknowledge Jesus as Messiah based on the passages I previously quoted on this forum. Giving me an argument is not going to change things. Just because you believe certain things does not make it so.

 

[FranC]

Really very well stated Fran. I couldn't have said it better!!! Let me just add one thing.

God's wrath or ANGER is poured out against who?

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken... [SUP]21 [/SUP]I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

What religion does Gog and its allies follow? What's the religion of Persia (Iran), Ethiopia and Libya? They ain't Catholic!!

‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; [SUP]6 [/SUP]Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Who does God rid from the Holy Land?

Zec 14: In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Who are those who live all around Israel and what religion do they follow?

Eze 28:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God: “When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God.”’”

CASE CLOSED

Plainword,
You're a very leaned person. I agree with all of the above, but I've stated that I'm very bad with eschatology. But even in a practical sense - I've posted that I truly doubt the end will come from Rome. They're not smart enough down there - I know this for sure.

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense. The end will come from the MIddle East. Even I know that. And Peacenik thinks Muslims accept Jesus as Messiah. HOW does anyone come to that conclusion??

I find it very frustrating that some do not see what is happening. You've been to Israel and have had exposure, I live here in Europe - maybe everything just seems more real to us? There's a saying in Italian:
Occhio che non vede
Cuore che non crede

The heart doesn't believe what the eye can't see.

Fran

 

[FranC]

Muslims say they are one and the same God. According to accounts that I have read "Allah" originally came from the Assyrian name "Alaha" or "Elah" in Aramaic. The Hebrew language does not have vowels but insert the letter A in Yhwh and you get Yahwah which sounds almost exactly like the Arabic Allah. Note that "Allah" is an Arabic name, not a Muslim name (yet, the name has been used by Mizrahim Jews). It pre-dates Mohammed by multiple centuries.

If you have read the Koran then you know its writer specifically calls the Bible "The Book" (Sura 2:87) because they revere the same God. ''He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3)'' This does not conform with Christian teaching but that is what they teach. And they, unlike Jews, acknowledge Jesus as Messiah based on the passages I previously quoted on this forum. Giving me an argument is not going to change things. Just because you believe certain things does not make it so.

Hi Peacenik,
How can you say that Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah in the sense that Christians do??
Are they looking to Jesus to forgive their sins?
Do they accept Him and follow His ways?

Jesus is just a PROPHET to them. A prophet is not the Messiah. They HATE us because we believe in Jesus. JESUS is contrary to all their beliefs. Jews may deny Him as the Christ, but they believe in the same God YOU believe in.

Muslims do not follow GOD. They follow MUHHAMAD.
Does YOUR God ask you to kill the infidel?
YOU are the infidel.
Even moderate Muslims who truly follow GOD are the infidels.
Ask yourself why they don't speak up more. Could it be out of fear?

They might say that "He sent down the gospel of Jesus" - so? They make Jesus out to be just another teacher, like Buddha, like Krishna, like Confucious. So how could you say they BELIEVE in Jesus.

Also, you said that Bush is viewed as a terrorist and genocidal imperialist. Where? Here is Europe he's seen as a bit of a war hawk. I think you take your description too far. I DO wonder how you could say such things. Do you not LOVE where you live? The whole world would like to live in the States.

So why do you care what any nation thinks of him anyway? Do you realize that man nations speak out of envy? Do you think we should be doing what other nations believe is correct or should we be doing what WE think is correct? You really care what 3rd world nations think of the U.S.?? I'll bet you think Europe should be taking care of its own problems with all the migrants coming from Isis led war torn countries because nothing is being done to help the helpless. Wouldn't it have been nice if Obama set up Safe Zones in Syria, for example, so swarms of people would not have had to leave their homes.

And what were we supposed to do after 9/11? Just do nothing, like Clinton did when the garage of WTC 1 was bombed back in the 90's? Maybe if there had been some retaliation for that, 9/11 might have never happened. We'll never know. I do know that when you do nothing to protect yourself the enemy becomes emboldened and does more, not less.
Just think of a bully in a shool. Does he bother the weak or the strong? It's the same Peacenik.

I'm not going to say anymore. I truly believe you're in the dark as to what's happening
Or you dislike your country.

Fran

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

While Muslims have been accused of that even though they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah

They call Him Messiah, but their meaning for Messiah is not the same as ours. He is only a prophet in Islam, He is not the Son of God (they claim it is BLASPHEMOUS to say God has a son) and that He did not die for our sins. And they believe that when the Islamic "Isa" returns with the Mahdi, he will come to tell us he did not claim to be the Son of God and that he did not die for your sins.


Dont try to rely on the fact that they use the terminology, because they do not mean the same thing we do when they do.

 

[PlainWord]

Plainword,
You're a very leaned person. I agree with all of the above, but I've stated that I'm very bad with eschatology. But even in a practical sense - I've posted that I truly doubt the end will come from Rome. They're not smart enough down there - I know this for sure.

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense. The end will come from the MIddle East. Even I know that. And Peacenik thinks Muslims accept Jesus as Messiah. HOW does anyone come to that conclusion??

I find it very frustrating that some do not see what is happening. You've been to Israel and have had exposure, I live here in Europe - maybe everything just seems more real to us? There's a saying in Italian:
Occhio che non vede
Cuore che non crede

The heart doesn't believe what the eye can't see.

Fran

Thanks Fran,

I've been a student of prophesy my whole life. But it's only been the last 3-4 years that I've devoted thousands of hours to the topic. Once ISIS emerged and started chopping off heads, that caused me to reconsider my long held beliefs which was that the A/C or Man of Sin would be the pope and that Rome would be reborn. I had a hard time abandoning that belief.

Once I saw ISLAM as the Harlot and realized that it was the Ottoman Empire that was the "head with the mortal wound" that comes back and not Rome, it blew the whole thing open for me. I started seeing so many scripture passages in a new light. Islam is warned about throughout the Bible even though the religion was 500+ years away at the time John wrote about it. Gal 4 contains a key passage from Paul where he repeats Sarah and makes clear which group receives the promise and which does not. Paul tells us who the "desolate" are. It is unmistakable.

Yes, it is all about the Middle East. Always has been, always will be. The Roman Catholics aren't about to invade Israel and start chopping off heads. It's about motivation. Rome has absolutely no motive to attack Israel nor do they have the financial means or the military power to take on Israel. If we asked Benjamin Netanyahu who does he fear more, Muslims or Catholics, I think we all know his answer.

If you want to watch a very educational video, please see below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRQQ9qC9e8

This video shows the history of the 7 headed, 4,000 year old Beast and the symbols Satan has used throughout each of the religions. I agree with about 90% of this video. It is the most accurate prophetic video I've seen to date.

 

[PlainWord]

Muslims say they are one and the same God. According to accounts that I have read "Allah" originally came from the Assyrian name "Alaha" or "Elah" in Aramaic. The Hebrew language does not have vowels but insert the letter A in Yhwh and you get Yahwah which sounds almost exactly like the Arabic Allah. Note that "Allah" is an Arabic name, not a Muslim name (yet, the name has been used by Mizrahim Jews). It pre-dates Mohammed by multiple centuries.

If you have read the Koran then you know its writer specifically calls the Bible "The Book" (Sura 2:87) because they revere the same God. ''He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3)'' This does not conform with Christian teaching but that is what they teach. And they, unlike Jews, acknowledge Jesus as Messiah based on the passages I previously quoted on this forum. Giving me an argument is not going to change things. Just because you believe certain things does not make it so.

Satan is a copy cat. He twists the scriptures ever so slightly to deceive. In fact the great prophet Isaiah calls him "the twisted serpent."

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong, Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.

The Apostle Peter, when writing about prophesies Paul made said this.

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

In the Garden of Eden, we see that the Serpent Satan twists God's word to get Eve to believe the lie.

Gen 3:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; [SUP]3 [/SUP]but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Satan's modus operandi is to take the Truth and strongly held views of people and alter them ever so slightly to get them to believe his version. Satan tried it with Christ too, but it didn't work. There is no doubt in my mind that ISLAM is a continuation of Satan's false religions going back to the Tower of Babel. ISLAM is so very cleverly crafted taking many of the same principle as the Bible but altering key tenants such as that God (Allah) has no Son. If God has no children than He cannot be a Father.

Go watch the video I posted for Fran then come back and let's talk further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRQQ9qC9e8

If you still believe Islam is a harmless religion that follows the same God as we Christians then I will give up on you.

 

[FranC]

Thanks Fran,

I've been a student of prophesy my whole life. But it's only been the last 3-4 years that I've devoted thousands of hours to the topic. Once ISIS emerged and started chopping off heads, that caused me to reconsider my long held beliefs which was that the A/C or Man of Sin would be the pope and that Rome would be reborn. I had a hard time abandoning that belief.

Once I saw ISLAM as the Harlot and realized that it was the Ottoman Empire that was the "head with the mortal wound" that comes back and not Rome, it blew the whole thing open for me. I started seeing so many scripture passages in a new light. Islam is warned about throughout the Bible even though the religion was 500+ years away at the time John wrote about it. Gal 4 contains a key passage from Paul where he repeats Sarah and makes clear which group receives the promise and which does not. Paul tells us who the "desolate" are. It is unmistakable.

Yes, it is all about the Middle East. Always has been, always will be. The Roman Catholics aren't about to invade Israel and start chopping off heads. It's about motivation. Rome has absolutely no motive to attack Israel nor do they have the financial means or the military power to take on Israel. If we asked Benjamin Netanyahu who does he fear more, Muslims or Catholics, I think we all know his answer.

If you want to watch a very educational video, please see below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRQQ9qC9e8

This video shows the history of the 7 headed, 4,000 year old Beast and the symbols Satan has used throughout each of the religions. I agree with about 90% of this video. It is the most accurate prophetic video I've seen to date.

PlainWord
The Catholic Pope has always been against any type of war.
The only war he's been in favor of, is the war against Islam and its terrorists.
He said they're to be stopped from what they're doing.
It's pretty serious when the Pope says it's okay to go to war!

I'm not Catholic but I can say that people who think the A/C is coming from them are sadly
mistaken.

I wish I knew how to put you on my "friend" list so I could follow you around a little.
I'd have much to learn from you. I'm totally ignorant of the end time prophecies. Well, not totally - but almost!

I could tell you've studied this a lot and have come to good conclusions.
Will be watching the video.

Thanks
Fran

 

[peacenik]

They call Him Messiah, but their meaning for Messiah is not the same as ours. He is only a prophet in Islam, He is not the Son of God (they claim it is BLASPHEMOUS to say God has a son) and that He did not die for our sins. And they believe that when the Islamic "Isa" returns with the Mahdi, he will come to tell us he did not claim to be the Son of God and that he did not die for your sins.


Dont try to rely on the fact that they use the terminology, because they do not mean the same thing we do when they do.

My Shiia Muslim friend told me he and his fellow adherents use the term "Messiah" precisely as Christians do. Otherwise, they would not define the Bible as "the Book". If you have read the Koran you would know it makes repeated references to its teachings which show that religion's reverence for its teachings.

 

[kaylagrl]

My Shiia Muslim friend told me he and his fellow adherents use the term "Messiah" precisely as Christians do. Otherwise, they would not define the Bible as "the Book". If you have read the Koran you would know it makes repeated references to its teachings which show that religion's reverence for its teachings.

They may use the term "Messiah" but they do not believe the same as Christians do about Jesus. Its a lie to say they use the term precisely as we do,they dont.