10 Concise Reasons to Remember the Sabbath

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7seasrekeyed

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Jesus was a Sabbath Keeper. It's hard to deny or cover this Biblical Fact up. I understand you have no such tradition. I was pointing out that according to the Word's of the Author and Finisher of my Faith, His Sabbath and His Feasts are not "Rudiments of the World", nor are they "traditions of men", but rather, they were created for man by the Word which became Flesh. I don't believe Jesus walked in "Vain deceit" "tradition of man" or the "Rudiments of the World".

His Sabbaths are not Commandments of men, nor are they Doctrines of men. I'm not sure why many, who come in Christ's name, would work so hard to convince people that they are.

Jesus followed these instruction and was scorned and ridiculed by the Mainstream Preachers of His time, who considered the true Law and Prophets as "Heresy". He didn't let those Mainstream Preachers "Spoil Him through their Philosophy and vain deceit", and it seems Paul is warning us not to let the same thing happen to us.

I meant no disrespect or anything personal towards you. I am not attempting to "convert" anyone to anything. Just posting what seems like obvious Biblical Truth. I am not arguing against Paul's teaching, I just question your understanding of it.

yes I know that is one of your points to ponder

but have you noticed that Jesus demonstrated that even works forbidden on the Sabbath are without judgement if they show mercy?

God did not create the Sabbath for salvation. that is a fabrication of Sabbath keepers when they lean to the extreme beliefs of their sects

however, He did create a way for salvation that has nothing to do with Sabbaths or Thursdays or even Sundays

as far as disrespect goes, maybe try to stick to what I actually post

thanks
 

7seasrekeyed

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this is the KJV, which I am very familiar with since I was brought up on it and still refer to it often enough:

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

it's plain. doesn't change what is said at all

the things Sabbath keepers want to 'adhere' to are shadows

Christ is the REAL DEAL and if you wish to go back to keeping something to be saved and say not keeping it means no salvation, as the op states, then please do endulge

I don't care to be separated from Christ by imagining I can possibly add to all He has accomplished for me by separating my sins from me so that God sees me as forgiven

it has nothing to do with which day I worship or if I worship every day

and it has nothing to do with the 4th commandment and everything to do with the first one
 

OneFaith

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I think another way of saying that is that it's to celebrate the beginning of a new creation.
Thank you for your thoughts. I still like this way better because "commemorate" is more about remembering and honoring. When I partake of the Lord's Supper upon the first day of the week, "celebrating" doesn't really fit my intention, but remembering and honoring does, far more than celebrating, though a small part of me does celebrate, but not for the most part during that time. But i appreciate your comments. I've noticed that I agree with most of your answers that i read on here, far more than anyone else, and you have earned my respect.
 
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Thank you for your thoughts. I still like this way better because "commemorate" is more about remembering and honoring. When I partake of the Lord's Supper upon the first day of the week, "celebrating" doesn't really fit my intention, but remembering and honoring does, far more than celebrating, though a small part of me does celebrate, but not for the most part during that time. But i appreciate your comments. I've noticed that I agree with most of your answers that i read on here, far more than anyone else, and you have earned my respect.
I agree with just about everything you write as well. I've developed a lot of respect for your knowledge and understanding.
 

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Two main things I glean from your comment:
  • You love the sabbath
  • You think people who don't observe the sabbath don't love GOD
My conclusion is that your understanding of GOD is carnal. The purpose of sabbath observance was to know GOD. If people know GOD through the indwelling holy spirit (which those under the law did not have, and thus needed a special day), then who are you to judge their relationship with GOD?
Who's to say taking one day out of the week to meditate on God and grow in peace and relationship with his holy spirit? Having no worldly distractions.
 

posthuman

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So let no man judge me but the body of Christ.
one small issue with your private interpretation that Colossians is instructing believers to judge one another over shadows:
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
(Matthew 7:1-2)
did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?

 

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some of them certainly seem to believe that if you do not follow suit, you are not saved
How about you ponder on Ex 31v13,14. GOD is HOLY and creating something eternally lasting like Himself also has to be holy.
 

posthuman

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So let no man judge me but the body of Christ.
1 Corinthians 4:3-4
But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
 

mailmandan

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Actually it is just the opposite for me. I am a human being which believes in ALL the Word's of the Author and finisher of my Faith. He said I am wicked above all things, and that I shouldn't even try to guide my own footsteps. Since I believe Him, and through His Word can see that He is always right, it just seems foolish for me to question His Judgment. I am a sinner, in need of guidance and Salvation. I believe there is no other place to find this but through Jesus, the Risen Christ. He said God's Law is for the sinner, that means His Law is for me. If He says something is Holy, then I don't believe a man should judge Him and His declaration as untrue. Just because other religious men don't believe His Word's, shouldn't influence me to do the same.

I believe this is the warning Paul gave to me in Colossians.

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

I do not believe I am morally superior, but I do believe that the Judgments and Word's of the Christ are.
So you believe that only you and everyone else who completely agrees with your works righteousness oriented doctrine believes in ALL the Word's of Jesus and believers who understand that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) instead of "grace plus law, faith plus works" don't believe in ALL the Word's of Jesus, but you don't think of yourself as morally superior? :unsure::cautious:

Authentic believers (not merely other religious men) understand that what Jesus says is holy and that the old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). We also understand that the life of discipleship flows out of the new command to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17).

*This is where Sabbatarians (especially SDA's and other extreme misguided teachers of the law) disagree and feel morally superior to believers who understand that Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
 

posthuman

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Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things
 

7seasrekeyed

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How about you ponder on Ex 31v13,14. GOD is HOLY and creating something eternally lasting like Himself also has to be holy.

how about you quit trying to illustrate that you know all about me and think you can read my mind?

I was cutting my teeth on the OT before you heard of it

you insinuate that no one but you and other 'keepers' know anything

that is boring, old and really really self righteous

after reading about how you say you are suffering because you are a Sabbath worshiper, I had about enough

you have no clue what actual suffereing is. there are people dying because they are Christian and you get all ruffled
because we do not believe the Sabbath is more than another day

you do not understand what the Sabbath is all about...God did not start creating again after He rested, so the Sabbath continues every day in our Lord Jesus Christ

do I sound irritated? you know at this point I am

kind of fed up with the whimpering noises about how Sabbath Keepers are the only ones who understand anything, not to mention how rude and tiresome the name calling and false accusations from the creator of this thread are in both this and her other thread

the self congratulatory posts are ridiculous
 

7seasrekeyed

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one small issue with your private interpretation that Colossians is instructing believers to judge one another over shadows:
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
(Matthew 7:1-2)
did you have a nice Rosh Chodesh?


oh no!

guess he didn't see that in the fine print :unsure:
 

p_rehbein

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Do you have the scripture for that? That the Disciples established Sunday as the day of rest.
Possibly referring to Acts 20:7,8

“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.”
 

mailmandan

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Jesus was a Sabbath Keeper. It's hard to deny or cover this Biblical Fact up.
This kind of reasoning is flawed because it only points to Jesus' Sabbath keeping and ignores the rest of His Jewish lifestyle. Jesus also kept Kosher laws. He kept the Passover, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and worshipped in the temple. Are we to follow everything Jesus did under the law? Galatians 4:4-5 says that Jesus lived under the Law to redeem us from the Law. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
 
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You like all other mistaken Believers see the Sabbath as something JEWISH....
The Sabbath was instituted long before there was any such notion of a Jew.


My bible says that the Sabbath was made for "man", not Jew.

The Sabbath was given for us to rest, not for man to be burdened with a lot of regulations to keep.


Please quote a scripture from Jesus or the Apostles, that instruct the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.






JPT
 

Studyman

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yes I know that is one of your points to ponder

but have you noticed that Jesus demonstrated that even works forbidden on the Sabbath are without judgement if they show mercy?

God did not create the Sabbath for salvation. that is a fabrication of Sabbath keepers when they lean to the extreme beliefs of their sects

however, He did create a way for salvation that has nothing to do with Sabbaths or Thursdays or even Sundays

as far as disrespect goes, maybe try to stick to what I actually post

thanks
It was never against God's instructions to take a walk on the Sabbath day in fellowship with Him and pick a black berry or ear of corn to munch on. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had corrupted God's Law to the point that they actually believed the God of Abraham considered walking and eating an apple or ear of corn on the Sabbath a sin. It was not a sin, yet "many", in Mainstream Christianity today, have adopted the Pharisees version of God's instruction regarding the Sabbath and have created their own religious doctrine based on this false perception.

For me it isn't about this day or that. It's about what the Bible says. "Many" who come in Christ's name, imply in their preaching that God's instructions spoken of in Colossians are a "Vain deceit", "Tradition of man," and "Rudiments of the World". They are free to believe this, and preach if that is their wish, but I do not believe this teaching. I think Paul was warning against religious traditions of man VS. the righteous instructions from the Christ, the Word which became Flesh.

I posted because this is a Bible discussion site and I don't believe the Bible supports the implication that God's "HOLY" Days or God's Sabbaths are a "Vain Deceit" or traditions of man. I think many believe this because of another perception commonly held and taught in Mainstream Christianity and that is the preaching that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by following God's Commandments. This foundational doctrine is an insidious lie that infects and corrupts the Gospel. Jesus didn't hold to this religious doctrine and neither do I.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Neither Jesus, nor His Disciples did what was forbidden on the Sabbath that Jesus, as the Word, created for man. The Pharisees Sabbath, maybe, but not God's. The Mainstream Preachers of His time believed and taught falsehoods about the Sabbath. Understanding this Biblical truth would change the way you look at many scriptures.

According to the Jesus of the Bible, God created His Laws for sinners, that would be me. The 4th Commandment is one of these Laws that He created along with don't create images of God in the likeness of man,(even a long haired handsome one) don't kill, don't lie. Love your neighbor, etc. We all know His Commandments from the least to the greatest. Now religious man has chosen to judge some of God's instructions as unworthy of their respect. This is not a new thing.

The Serpent convinced Eve to do the same thing. And the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time judged God's Word as well.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I don't believe we have the right to "omit" or "judge" one of God's Words over another. I understand this view of God's Word isn't in line with "many" religious doctrines and traditions of today, and that even speaking like this causes anger. But I also believe the truth of God's Word is more important than feeding the pride of man. I think the Bible should be used to create doctrine, not used as a tool to support man made doctrines and traditions.

I don't believe I am saved once I "keep His Sabbath". But I do believe in Jesus, both as a man, and as the Word which became Flesh. So if He walked in His Fathers Sabbaths, and if He says His Sabbath is Holy, and if He said He created His Sabbath for humans who have sinned, then who am I to argue with Him? In fact, why would I even want to?

Maybe religious man has finally found another way. And then again, maybe Jesus was justified in His Warning.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Possibly referring to Acts 20:7,8

“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.”
Did Paul recognize Sabbath in his epistles?
 

Studyman

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="mailmandan, post: 3668503, member: 193497"]So you believe that only you and everyone else who completely agrees with your works righteousness oriented doctrine believes in ALL the Word's of Jesus and believers who understand that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) instead of "grace plus law, faith plus works" don't believe in ALL the Word's of Jesus, but you don't think of yourself as morally superior? :unsure::cautious:
As I said before, I believe the Word which became Flesh is morally superior. This offends you. It also offended Cain and the Pharisees.

Eph. 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of (mans) works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I don't believe creating images of God in the likeness of man, or creating religious High Days are "Good Works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them". Maybe you should pull the beam out of your religious doctrines and traditions before you condemn others for following God's Words.


Authentic believers (not merely other religious men) understand that what Jesus says is holy and that the old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). We also understand that the life of discipleship flows out of the new command to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17).
I don't believe your preaching regarding the New Covenant. Your preaching and Christ's preaching are two completely different doctrines if the Holy Word's of the Word which became Flesh is the trusted source of information.

2 Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The Old Testament required death for the atonement of sins. Jesus fulfilled this death. No more death is needed.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Nothing here calls for the re-defining of sin, the abolition of God's instructions, only the manner in which sins are forgiven.

Hebrew 8 is speaking to the Priesthood that Jesus, as the Word, promised to change in Jer. 31. Once again, there is nothing about "works" nothing about the abolition of God's instructions, Laws, nothing that you use these scriptures to justify.

*This is where Sabbatarians (especially SDA's and other extreme misguided teachers of the law) disagree and feel morally superior to believers who understand that Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.


Lev. 19:
29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD.
33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.

Where is your Biblical Proof that "Christians" are no longer obligated for follow these instructions? What part of the New Covenant the Word which became Flesh spoke of in Jer. 31 eliminates, destroys, makes Void any of these instructions from God?

It isn't there MMD. It is a man made doctrine.


Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.


Jesus followed His Fathers instructions and was judged a sinner by the Mainstream Preachers of His time. Did He let them judge Him? Paul continued to observe the Holy days and Sabbaths through out his life. Did he let the Mainstream Religious men of his time judge him?

No! These creations of the Word which became Flesh are Holy, they are not tradition of men or Rudiments of the World, but are of the Christ.

It isn't the Holy, Righteous ways of God that I am rejecting MMD, it is your religious traditions which are contrary to the scriptures.

Your anger is perfectly in line with the examples Jesus had written for our admonition.
 

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Hebrews 7:18
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.