100 Percent Proof that there is No Rapture

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notuptome

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Where does anything say those who are protected from wrath are taken off of the earth. God hasn't done this in the past, why would you think He would do it this time?
This time is going to be like no other time.

The church, the bride is not going to see Gods wrath. Israel is going to endure great tribulation not the church.

For the cause of Christ
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This time is going to be like no other time.

The church, the bride is not going to see Gods wrath. Israel is going to endure great tribulation not the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Some will be protected but I'm not sure about all. However, the issue isn't suffering wrath, it's whether or not the church will be taken out of the world prior to that time. I see nothing in Scripture that suggests it will. That in addition to the fact that this doctrine who only been around since about the 1800's suggests to me that it's not in the Scriptures.
 

Chopper

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Where does anything say those who are protected from wrath are taken off of the earth. God hasn't done this in the past, why would you think He would do it this time?
I think what is being referred to here is the "after these things", which implies after the tribulation has taken place is what Butch refers to.
 
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Dear Butch5:

Sorry, my friend. God has called it upon my heart not to discuss the Bible with at this time currently. So I just not interested in debating Scripture with you. Please do not take offense, but I don't believe it will help you.

Anyways, I say this in love and with the hope that you talk to God some more about what you believe.

Peace be unto you.
And may the Lord's love shine upon you.

Sincerely,

~Jason.


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If you don't want to discuss it that's fine. What I believe is straight out of the Scriptures as I have shown you. If you choose to look into church history you will find that what I have said to you is in fact what Christianity was before men bagan to corrupt it.
 

Apostol2013

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The Reaping of The Harvest ,The second coming of Christ wich is The Ressurection of the Righteous : the reaping of the harvest in the last day the terrible day of the Lord well mathew 24 cannot be ignored it says clearly of this reaping of the harvest . this is when the sickle will be put to use to gather the saints . it states immediately right after the great tribulation .in revelation 19 and 20 it shows clearly that this is called the first resurection in this 1 john 3:1-2 john describes it perfectly even paul by saying in the twinlkling of an eye we shall all be transformed first the dead then the living . we must depend faithfully on the word of God not every man made doctrine wich devils most like to deceive the world with that even the very elect are falling for we must be wearing the full armor of God at all times faithfully. peace of christ be unto you amen..
 
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JesusIsAll

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100 Percent Proof that there is No Rapture

Just that thread title flashes absurd like a neon sign, may as well be, Come Get Your Fractured Exegesis.
 
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Why would God put us the trib which is His wrath and then at the end rapture us. It makes no sense and does not line up with His word. We are raptured before the trib and come back with Him. People get confused of the rapture of the church and the saints that live through the trib it is two different things. People will get saved in droves after the rapture takes place and most will be killed and they receive glorified bodies just as we do. But these are separate events just as the rapture and the second coming are separate events.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Why would God put us the trib which is His wrath and then at the end rapture us. It makes no sense and does not line up with His word. We are raptured before the trib and come back with Him. People get confused of the rapture of the church and the saints that live through the trib it is two different things. People will get saved in droves after the rapture takes place and most will be killed and they receive glorified bodies just as we do. But these are separate events just as the rapture and the second coming are separate events.
There are threads here that have hashed this out, completely. It's just more "trolling the rapture."
 
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Kerry

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There are threads here that have hashed this out, completely. It's just more "trolling the rapture."
Yeah I know but the newbies and ones watching deserve the truth. How you been, doing good i hope and God bless you and Merry Christmas.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Yeah I know but the newbies and ones watching deserve the truth. How you been, doing good i hope and God bless you and Merry Christmas.
Thank you, and wish you the same! Regarding truth, I know, but this also feeds trolls and can promote their controversies. It dawned on me a thread with such a ludicrous, deceptive title as this one would perhaps have best just sunken to the bottom. I also tire of most of what goes on here tearing down sound doctrine, or cults pushing this and that, often wonder what this really has to do with Bible discussion among Christians. I've seen absolutely nothing like half the people purport here, at any Protestant church, ever. There's a lot of "exegesis" here that only shows there are many people who don't understand scripture, but some of them the most vocal to push their agenda. I could have that conversation with a Muslim!
 
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Why would God put us the trib which is His wrath and then at the end rapture us. It makes no sense and does not line up with His word. We are raptured before the trib and come back with Him. People get confused of the rapture of the church and the saints that live through the trib it is two different things. People will get saved in droves after the rapture takes place and most will be killed and they receive glorified bodies just as we do. But these are separate events just as the rapture and the second coming are separate events.
Study these words and who they pertain to........

Thilipsis
Orge
 
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Kerry

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Study these words and who they pertain to........

Thilipsis
Orge
I love you brother and I know you have a post trib outlook. But I only study God's word and not what some dude says.
 
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I think what is being referred to here is the "after these things", which implies after the tribulation has taken place is what Butch refers to.
I'm just trying to see the connection between not being appointed to wrath and being taken out of the world. I don't think there is one.
 
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I love you brother and I know you have a post trib outlook. But I only study God's word and not what some dude says.
Well then by all means study the following GREEK words that are translated in the KING JIM as wrath and tribulation

Thilipsis<--tribulation
Orge<---wrath

TWO different words with TWO different applications as they DO NOT MEAN the SAME thing bro.
 

Apostol2013

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Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Abomination of Desolation
 

Apostol2013

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Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Abomination of Desolation
read let no man deceive you
 

Atwood

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Re: 100 Percent Proof that there is a Rapture

I can hardly believe that ignorance in the thread thesis.
The Rapture of the Church is clearly taught in 1 Thes 4:17: harpagesometha = we shall be raptured (caught up).

Now Christians indeed disagree on the timing of the Rapture
(imminent in James 5).
Chrs disagree on the nature of the Tribulation, its relation to the Rapture, whether or not the Rapture occurs when Christ returns to take over planet earth.

But the Rapture itself is simply a Bible fact.

BTW, I count something like 9 raptures in the Bible, beginning with Enoch's.
 

Apostol2013

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Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The Lesson of the Fig Tree


Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
No One Knows That Day and Hour


Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

Apostol2013

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Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The Lesson of the Fig Tree


Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
No One Knows That Day and Hour


Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
here Jesus said he will come in plain site not hidden the term a thief in the night is not knowing the time or hour