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Well... let me ask you this. What do you think Jesus would want you to do... ACCEPT it, or REJECT it? The bible says those who got the victory over the image of the beast, his number & his mark will have ever lasting life. Those who accept it suffer eternal damnation in the lake of fire, which is the second death.
The Lake of Fire + The Second Death = (252) = Social Security Number. The United States is one big prison with cameras. Criminal Justice System + Property of the State + Roman Citizen = (267) + (252) + (147) = 666.
The Lake of Fire + The Second Death = (252) = Social Security Number. The United States is one big prison with cameras. Criminal Justice System + Property of the State + Roman Citizen = (267) + (252) + (147) = 666.
If your going to address my question, please don't sidestep it.
So ill ask again, if the UPC is the mark of the beast, what does that mean for you? Do you not buy products from department stores? For eg.
I'm not out to get you, I'm invoking discussion because all you have done is thrown a bunch of numbers at us and said if you don't get it you don't have wisdom..thats not how it works here, how about you discuss this rather than obscure posts and then going on the defensive with everyone.
So ill ask again, if the UPC is the mark of the beast, what does that mean for you? Do you not buy products from department stores? For eg.
I'm not out to get you, I'm invoking discussion because all you have done is thrown a bunch of numbers at us and said if you don't get it you don't have wisdom..thats not how it works here, how about you discuss this rather than obscure posts and then going on the defensive with everyone.
K
A social security number is given to a person at birth, and we can purchase items without UPC's on them.
Have you ever gone to a garage sell, or antiques store, or a swap and shop as they do not scan bar codes for you to buy items. The bible makes it clear that the mark is on the head and right arm, which neither is, and the bible also says that if you take the mark you will be cast into the lake of fire. If what you say was true you are condemning everybody on the earth, because you can not be saved and take the mark both.
your wife wants her MOUSE?? 
my drag and drop funtion on mine is not very good, need a new one.
so when my wife went to bed, i borrowed hers for the night,
and gave back when she got up.
hope this helps,
my wife would be on the ceiling if it was a real mouse
The number 666 in Greek and Hebrew adds up to "Neron Caesar", Nero Caesar.
It's the name of Nero, the Roman Emperor.
John was writing Revelation sometime around 64 AD.
The 4th kingdom in Daniel 2 & 7 is Pagan Rome.
the beasts in Revelation 13 are in the opposite order to Daniel 7
Daniel has the order of:-
1) Lion
2) Bear
3) Leopard
4) Dragon
4The first was like a lion
5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear
6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
7After this I saw in [the night ]visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Revelation 13:1
1) Dragon
2) Leopard
3) Bear
4) Lion
And [the beast] which I saw was[ like] unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and [the dragon gave] him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
john sees 7 beasts forward, same as the 7 last horns of daniel,
starting with 4 th little horn, from ten horns, of danials forth beast kingdom.
but john sees things different when looking backwards in time.
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
A gentile world rulling kingdoms[not israel] and ther kings, rising among the people of the world.
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
rome was dead, 4 beast kingdom, no more rome, what became from area afterwards.
but was made alive again by the little horn, the church healed it and lived again.
not some man in the future who dies then lives again.
Revelation 13:15
(15) And he [had power] to give life unto [the image ]of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
this happen in the past history, the mighty church labeled the jews who keep Gods sabbath , and made it law,
and the power of rome, tortured or killed them, if they did not recant of there supposed bad ways.
I truly feel this is half of those 144,000 where killed by this beast kingdom in past.
the marks have been here since the churches started, but will [later be inforced],
like not working on sunday laws, and everyone takes a day off work,
and buy youre goods on saturday.
Those who accept this worship receive their mark of authority.
Plus the mark is contrasted with the seal of God, and been hear a long time.
The forehead is where our conscious thoughts reside.
The right hand is where our works are manifested.
The mark is spiritual, in the sense that we can be obsessed with the beast.
The mark is physical, in the sense that we can manifest our works on it's behalf.
I am not saying any that do are bad people,
Gods people are everywhere and not wish to offend,
but worried some will go through the tribulation.
because that the devil has the whole world decieved, like bible says, also says
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be [no priest ]to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
does not mean them will not be in his kingdom, but may go through jacobs troubles.
they [and] we who preach the law, are all Gods people, welcome in his kingdom,
but only few get to be priests that teach the people his ways in the future.
It's the name of Nero, the Roman Emperor.
John was writing Revelation sometime around 64 AD.
The 4th kingdom in Daniel 2 & 7 is Pagan Rome.
the beasts in Revelation 13 are in the opposite order to Daniel 7
Daniel has the order of:-
1) Lion
2) Bear
3) Leopard
4) Dragon
4The first was like a lion
5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear
6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
7After this I saw in [the night ]visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Revelation 13:1
1) Dragon
2) Leopard
3) Bear
4) Lion
And [the beast] which I saw was[ like] unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and [the dragon gave] him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
john sees 7 beasts forward, same as the 7 last horns of daniel,
starting with 4 th little horn, from ten horns, of danials forth beast kingdom.
but john sees things different when looking backwards in time.
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
A gentile world rulling kingdoms[not israel] and ther kings, rising among the people of the world.
having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;
and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
rome was dead, 4 beast kingdom, no more rome, what became from area afterwards.
but was made alive again by the little horn, the church healed it and lived again.
not some man in the future who dies then lives again.
Revelation 13:15
(15) And he [had power] to give life unto [the image ]of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
this happen in the past history, the mighty church labeled the jews who keep Gods sabbath , and made it law,
and the power of rome, tortured or killed them, if they did not recant of there supposed bad ways.
I truly feel this is half of those 144,000 where killed by this beast kingdom in past.
the marks have been here since the churches started, but will [later be inforced],
like not working on sunday laws, and everyone takes a day off work,
and buy youre goods on saturday.
Those who accept this worship receive their mark of authority.
Plus the mark is contrasted with the seal of God, and been hear a long time.
The forehead is where our conscious thoughts reside.
The right hand is where our works are manifested.
The mark is spiritual, in the sense that we can be obsessed with the beast.
The mark is physical, in the sense that we can manifest our works on it's behalf.
I am not saying any that do are bad people,
Gods people are everywhere and not wish to offend,
but worried some will go through the tribulation.
because that the devil has the whole world decieved, like bible says, also says
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be [no priest ]to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
does not mean them will not be in his kingdom, but may go through jacobs troubles.
they [and] we who preach the law, are all Gods people, welcome in his kingdom,
but only few get to be priests that teach the people his ways in the future.
Notice the 10 horns, or 10 succeeding kingdoms or governments, come out of a kingdom,
not out of a man, or a superman. “Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the stone which was set at nought
of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” (Acts 4:10-11).
—“dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly,” was the Roman Empire
included all the royal splendor of ancient Babylon, thus having the head—the strongest part—of the lion
It had all the massiveness and numerically powerful army of the Persian Empire—symbolized by the legs
—symbolized by the legs, the most powerful part of the bear. It was the greatest war-making machine the world had ever seen, and it also possessed the swiftness, the cunning, the cruelty of Alexander’s army, symbolized by the leopard.
And so John, in Revelation 13, sees, not four beasts, but one beast. Not a leopard, but like a leopard
—possessing all its cunning, cruelty and speed. But it also possessed
the dominant characteristics of the two other most powerful beasts
the royal splendor and kingly power symbolized by the mouth of the lion (Babylon);
the ponderous strength symbolized by the feet of the bear (Medo-Persia);
and the speed, cunning and cruelty of the leopard (Greece)
The deadly wound, then, was the one administered to the Roman Empire, when,
in its last decaying stages,the barbarians overran it, ending its government in a.d.?476.
the dragon gave his power to the beast. Who is the dragon?
They worshiped the beast (Revelation 13:4). Therefore some conclude, from this one statement alone,
that the beast must be the papacy, not knowing that the people worshiped the Roman Empire and its emperors!
Notice how they worshiped the beast—saying, “Who is able to make war with him?”
The Roman Empire was the greatest war-making power the world had ever known.
This beast killed by the sword (verse 10).
History is full of accounts of the worship of the Roman emperors, for paganism was a state religion
John 16:2-3 but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
Matt 5:11-12 "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you,
and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
not out of a man, or a superman. “Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the stone which was set at nought
of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” (Acts 4:10-11).
—“dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly,” was the Roman Empire
included all the royal splendor of ancient Babylon, thus having the head—the strongest part—of the lion
It had all the massiveness and numerically powerful army of the Persian Empire—symbolized by the legs
—symbolized by the legs, the most powerful part of the bear. It was the greatest war-making machine the world had ever seen, and it also possessed the swiftness, the cunning, the cruelty of Alexander’s army, symbolized by the leopard.
And so John, in Revelation 13, sees, not four beasts, but one beast. Not a leopard, but like a leopard
—possessing all its cunning, cruelty and speed. But it also possessed
the dominant characteristics of the two other most powerful beasts
the royal splendor and kingly power symbolized by the mouth of the lion (Babylon);
the ponderous strength symbolized by the feet of the bear (Medo-Persia);
and the speed, cunning and cruelty of the leopard (Greece)
The deadly wound, then, was the one administered to the Roman Empire, when,
in its last decaying stages,the barbarians overran it, ending its government in a.d.?476.
the dragon gave his power to the beast. Who is the dragon?
They worshiped the beast (Revelation 13:4). Therefore some conclude, from this one statement alone,
that the beast must be the papacy, not knowing that the people worshiped the Roman Empire and its emperors!
Notice how they worshiped the beast—saying, “Who is able to make war with him?”
The Roman Empire was the greatest war-making power the world had ever known.
This beast killed by the sword (verse 10).
History is full of accounts of the worship of the Roman emperors, for paganism was a state religion
John 16:2-3 but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God.
Matt 5:11-12 "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you,
and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
the bible has very little to say about before the flood, or before man ,
or before becoming void, or before time even begain.
but most all the bible deals with this little nation of Isreal, and or kingdoms they
interacted with,do we really knows who they are today, there given all the contracts..
after the flood those few people grew to be big nations , and some we can label today.
the seed of Abram is all over the world in numbers, and talked about in latter days..
we can not just dismiss them as something that happened in the past.
in the old, everything was physical, daily needs,protection from enemy,physical long life,
He would be there God and bless, if liscened, cursed if not, even sometimes death.
they physicaly drank from that rock, but they vexed his spirit, and did not follow or obey.
and had physical punishments ,they physicaly bowed down to other idols they could see.
they had physical mana falling as rain, the physical enemys killed them, a physical temple.
the new promise for us today are all spiritual promises, flipped from being physical promises.
a spiritual promised land, spiritual help and protection, laws in our hearts, that rock still there.
a spiritual father, the spirit falls as rain, a spiritual temple of his.
the evil side is spiritual also, flotting all around in the air, and can spiritualy corrupt you.
but the physical seed of Israel , the tribes, and other nations are still physical people though.
one of the first things Jesus did was send a message to Israel, where did the deciples go?
not to the jews that where visible, but the hidden from the world , lost ten tribes.
things where physical, after veil, things are spiritual
the worlds gentile kingdoms of man,
the living may know the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will,and setteth up over it the basest of men: Daniel 4:17
And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings:
he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
or before becoming void, or before time even begain.
but most all the bible deals with this little nation of Isreal, and or kingdoms they
interacted with,do we really knows who they are today, there given all the contracts..
after the flood those few people grew to be big nations , and some we can label today.
the seed of Abram is all over the world in numbers, and talked about in latter days..
we can not just dismiss them as something that happened in the past.
in the old, everything was physical, daily needs,protection from enemy,physical long life,
He would be there God and bless, if liscened, cursed if not, even sometimes death.
they physicaly drank from that rock, but they vexed his spirit, and did not follow or obey.
and had physical punishments ,they physicaly bowed down to other idols they could see.
they had physical mana falling as rain, the physical enemys killed them, a physical temple.
the new promise for us today are all spiritual promises, flipped from being physical promises.
a spiritual promised land, spiritual help and protection, laws in our hearts, that rock still there.
a spiritual father, the spirit falls as rain, a spiritual temple of his.
the evil side is spiritual also, flotting all around in the air, and can spiritualy corrupt you.
but the physical seed of Israel , the tribes, and other nations are still physical people though.
one of the first things Jesus did was send a message to Israel, where did the deciples go?
not to the jews that where visible, but the hidden from the world , lost ten tribes.
things where physical, after veil, things are spiritual
the worlds gentile kingdoms of man,
the living may know the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will,and setteth up over it the basest of men: Daniel 4:17
And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings:
he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: