Vatican City

[breno785au]

No because that is the mistake when the bible says all, it does not really mean the whole world.
Because there will still be those who oppose the man of sin all the way up to the Lord's return, else wise there would be nobody for the man of sin to persecute and kill as he does up to the Lords return. So I know some take that as the whole world but that is not what is really being said, as it is more referring to all the Muslims will follow suit. Here are some of the countries that have Muslim to major Muslim populations in them.
Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia ( I believe do to the bible to be Mystery Babylon ), Syria....And the bible also says these places will be with them; Egypt, Greece, Ethiopia, and Sudan. Count them up and you have 11 and in Revelation 17:16 it says the man of sin with 10 followers destroy Babylon.
All 10 of those places I listed do not like Saudi Arabia for dealing their oil (wine) with the western world.

OK I see, thanks.

 

[kennethcadwell]

OK I see, thanks.

No problem as Turkey has the second largest military in the U.N. after the U.S., and Saudi Arabia has been the 2nd largest importer of arms for the past two years......

 

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the last 7 of the ten horns, that become [after] rome had a deadly wound,

the little horn,given crown and white robe[false church]

that in a way healed the deadly wound and become again.

and here we are today,rome with [her] sunday law in force, and popes blessing and ........

becomes the unholy empire on the world again

the 7 unholy roman empire unions

The last seven heads, or resurrections, were prophesied to be guided by a great church.
That is how church and state get the name “Holy” Roman Empire.
Holy Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Coronation of the Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1st resurrection of the roman empire
Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized as the supreme religious leader and empowered him.
Justinian I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justinian the Great, was a Byzantine (East Roman) emperor from 527 to 565. During his reign,
Justinian sought to revive the empire's greatness and reconquer
the lost western half of the historical Roman Empire.

The cognomen Iustinianus which he took later is indicative of adoption by his uncle Justin
Cognomen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Charlemagne reached the height of his power in 800 when he was crowned "emperor"
by Pope Leo III on Christmas Day at Old St. Peter's Basilica.

Called the "Father of Europe", Charlemagne united most of Western Europe
for the first time since the Roman Empire.

3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Otto I (23 November 912 – 7 May 973), also known as Otto the Great, was German king
from 936 and emperor of the Holy Roman Empire from 962 until his death in 973.

Following the example of Charlemagne's coronation as "Emperor of the Romans"
in 800, Otto was crowned Emperor in 962 by Pope John XII in Rome.

4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
Napoleon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Coronation of Napoleon I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.
When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before World War ii,

he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire
Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As Benito Mussolini’s grip on Italy tightened during the 1920s,
he proclaimed the Holy Roman Empire restored.

In February 1929, Mussolini signed a pact with the Vatican, making Roman Catholicism
the only recognized religion in fascist Italy.

This agreement, known as the Lateran Treaty, delighted Pope Pius xi,
who spoke of Mussolini as “a man sent by Providence.”
Lateran Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The agreements included a political treaty which created the state of the Vatican City
and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See.

Mussolini commissioned the Via della Conciliazione (Road of the Conciliation),
which would symbolically link the Vatican City to the heart of Rome.

the first horse of John, also olive disclosure one and the same,

that then was allready in the world, and a 3rd of levin spoiled the whole batch,




it is called the mystery of inequity

 

[prove-all]

it is called the mystery of inequity- quote

its called a lot of other things, kids should not even hear

 

[prove-all]

for “Surely the Lord will do nothing, but he revealeth
his secret unto his servants the prophets”: Amos 3:7

and As he spake by the mouth of his Holy prophets,
which have been since the world began:

the living may know the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will,and setteth up over it the basest of men: Daniel 4:17

there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets,
and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar

what shall be in the (latter days)” (Daniel 2:28)

8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things?

9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are

(closed up and sealed till the time of the end).

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,

even to the time of the end:

many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


-this does not mean it only happens in the end time, it unlocks the understanding also.

sonic jets and space travil, internet and knowledge increase.
we are in the end times, and we should know what all this means,

why else would God reveal it but use to know and be a witness.

Daniel nor anyone else understood , the message is for us now,


and satan tried to stop Danial from delevering this message,
that was only given to us in the latter days, to proclaim as a witness and understand

 

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Daniel

This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,

His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Daniel told the Chaldean king that he and his kingdom
were represented by the image’s head of gold (2:38).


1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
Neo-Babylonian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire (550-330 b.c.)
Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3 belly and thighs of brass greco-macedonia-Alexander the Great (336-323 b.c.)
Alexander the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4 the two legs of iron roman empire-capitals Rome and Constantinople.(31 b.c.-a.d. 476)
Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

from here on it is what came up from the roman empire, or territory,
the 10 horns that grow out of the fourth beast

(first 3 horns)The three horns picture three governments

(the Heruli, the Vandals and the Ostrogoths)

and he shall subdue three kings.

Heruli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Vandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Ostrogoths - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,

they where not riden by the church
not of rome but in its territory , after rome was dead.

(4th horn) a “little horn”—a great false church
coming on the scene after three horns are plucked up.

The great church guided every succeeding resurrection of this Roman Empire

The last seven horns comprise a church-state relationship,

34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote
the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

the 7 th and last holy roman empire, in europe, comming to the world near you.

 

[prove-all]

we can trace Neros name, and come up with 666 in several tonges

Caesar (plural Caesars; Latin: Caesar, plural: Caesares) is a title of imperial character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)

The Julii Caesares were a specific branch of the gens Julia.
It derives from the cognomen of Julius Caesar, the Roman dictator. The change from being

a familial name to a title adopted by the Roman Emperors can be dated to about AD 68/69,
The first known bearer of the name was one Sextus Julius Caesar, praetor in 208 BC,

The first Emperor, Caesar Augustus, bore the name as a matter of course; born Gaius Octavius
adopted by Caesar in his will, and per Roman naming conventions was renamed

"Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus"his relationship with Caesar
by styling himself simply "Imperator Caesar"

(whereto the Roman Senate added the honorific Augustus, "Majestic" or "Venerable," in 27 BC),
His successor as emperor, his stepson Tiberius, also bore the name as a matter of course;
born Tiberius Claudius Nero, he was adopted by Caesar Augustus
on June 26, 4 AD, as "Tiberius Julius Caesar."

The precedent was set: the Emperor designated his successor
by adopting him and giving him the name "Caesar."41 to 54AD Roman emperor Claudius
Claudius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He adopted the name "Caesar" as a cognomen
Cognomen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During his reign the Empire began the conquest of Britain

The Julio-Claudian dynasty
refers to the first five Roman Emperors:
Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero,

[1] or the family to which they belonged; they ruled the Roman Empire from its formation,
in the second half of the 1st century (44/31/27) BC, until AD 68,

when the last of the line, Nero, committed suicide
Julio-Claudian dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Roman emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Adoption in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of the Julio-Claudians were succeeded by their sons;
1 Augustus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Augustus (Latin: Imperator Caesar Divi F. Augustus; 23 September 63 BC – 19 August 14 AD) was
the founder of the Roman Empire and its first Emperor, ruling from 27 BC until his death in 14 AD

He was born Gaius Octavius into an old and wealthy equestrian branch
of the plebeian Octavii family.
Roman aristocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Plebs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Octavia (gens) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following the assassination of his maternal great-uncle Julius Caesar in 44 BC,
Caesar's will named Octavius as his adopted son and heir

He was succeeded as Emperor by his adopted son (also stepson and former son-in-law), Tiberius.
2 Tiberius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tiberius (/ta?'b??ri?s/; Latin: Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti filius Augustus;
16 November 42 BC – 16 March 37 AD)

was Roman Emperor from 14 AD to 37 AD. Born Tiberius Claudius Nero, a Claudian,
Tiberius was the son of Tiberius Claudius Nero and Livia Drusilla.

His mother divorced Nero and married Augustus in 39 BC, making him a step-son of Octavian.
Tiberius would later marry Augustus' daughter Julia the Elder (from his marriage to Scribonia)
and even later be adopted by Augustus, by which act he officially became a Julian,
bearing the name Tiberius Julius Caesar.

Caligula, Tiberius' grand-nephew and adopted grandson, succeeded Tiberius upon his death.
3 Caligula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Caligula" (/k?'l?gj?l?/; Latin: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;was the popular nickname of Gaius (31 August AD 12 – 22 January AD 41), Roman emperor (AD 37–41).

Caligula's father Germanicus, the nephew and adopted son of Emperor Tiberius,
was a very successful general With the death of Tiberius in AD 37, Caligula succeeded his great uncle and adoptive grandfather as Emperor.

on the day of the assassination of the Emperor Caligula, the Praetorian Guard declared Caligula's uncle,
Claudius, the next Roman Emperor.

4 Claudius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Claudius (/'kl??di?s/; Classical Latin: ['klawd??s], Latin: Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;

1 August 10 BC – 13 October 54 AD) was Roman emperor from 41 to 54.
the son of Drusus and Antonia Minor. He was born at Lugdunum in Gaul, the first Roman Emperor to be born outside Italy.

declared Emperor by the Praetorian Guard after Caligula's assassination,
at which point he was the last man of his family.

During his reign the Empire began the conquest of Britain (if the earlier invasions of Britain
by Caesar and Caligula's aborted attempt are not counted).

After his death in 54 AD (at age of 63), his grand-nephew and adopted son Nero succeeded him as Emperor

5 Nero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nero (/'n??ro?/; Latin: Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;

[1] 15 December 37 – 9 June 68)
[2] was Roman Emperor from 54 to 68, and the last in the Julio-Claudian dynasty.

Nero was adopted by his great-uncle Claudius to become his heir and successor,
and succeeded to the throne in 54 following Claudius' death.

Through Octavia, Nero was the great-nephew of Caesar Augustus

Nero annexed the Bosporan Kingdom to the Empire and began the First Roman–Jewish War.

In 64 AD, most of Rome was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome,
which many Romans believed Nero himself had started , then blamed jews

He died on 9 June 68, the anniversary of the death of Octavia, and was buried
in the Mausoleum of the Domitii Ahenobarbi, in what is now
the Villa Borghese (Pincian Hill) area of Rome


666 identifys this title and person [nero] as emperior of the roman kingdom.

 

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the bible is like a puzzle, you need to know where to put the pieces.

and Danie is a very importent piecel

 

[twotwo]

...
666 identifys this title and person [nero] as emperor of the roman kingdom.

Nice theory but it do not stand against recent discoveries.

Indeed the oldest manuscripts of John ever found clearly says 616.

All you said then make no sense anymore!!

 

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should we be afried of Rome, I mean Germany ?

when Germany started at least the last World War and more.

Winston Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Churchill was a watchman for the people, and warned them.
we where lucky that time, who is warning us now.

When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before
World War ii, he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire.

/Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\

Hitler led the Holy Roman Empire, even though he didn’t openly call his
regime by that name. However, the Third Reich has a very similar meaning.

Hitler declared Britain the main enemy to be defeated and that Poland's
obliteration was a necessary prelude for that goal

the Nazi war machine set out to rule the world and destroy
anything that happened to be in its path.

(1933).THE JEWS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY.

-In 1938, Hitler had brought the insignia of (Charlemagne’s) First Reich,

the imperial crown, the orb of empire, the scepter and
the imperial sword from Vienna to Nuremberg

-By the end of World War ii, all cities of over 50,000 population in Germany
were left in a heap of ruins, and also a great many smaller towns.

-Here is what Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt stated in
a document signed in February 1945, toward the end of World War ii:

“It is our inflexible purpose to destroy German militarism and Nazism and
ensure Germany will never again be able to disturb the peace of the world”

-Denazification was handed over to the Germans.” Just two years after their defeat,
the Germans were actually told to denazify themselves!
Denazification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-Brian Connell sums up In his book the situation that developed after Wwii.
the German denazification effort a farce,saying the “Bavarian administration
is largely in the hands of those who controlled it under Hitler.

“Statistics showed that 20,682 of the 49,445 civil servants belonged
to the Nazi Party or its affiliates. A total of 14,443 of these were
dismissed and later reinstated in the service.

Almost all of the 11,000 teachers who were removed for political reasons
have been reappointed,representing roughly 60 percent of the teaching
staff employed by the Ministry of Education.

Sixty percent of the 15,000 employees in the Finance Ministry are former
Nazis, and 81 percent of the 924 judges, magistrates and prosecutors
in the Ministry of Justice.”

-four years after the Allies handed the denazification process over to
the Germans,“The German government declared officially denazification
procedure had been terminated” and said they were clean.

now they are growing in europe and the world starting looking to them.

once again the (roman empire) has (offically started) in europe,

 

[kennethcadwell]

Nice theory but it do not stand against recent discoveries.

Indeed the oldest manuscripts of John ever found clearly says 616.

All you said then make no sense anymore!!

No actually the earliest manuscripts found of Revelation in Greek says Chi Xi Stigma, and as I showed previously the Islamic groups were a symbol very similar to this on their head and right arm. Remember also even though there is some small differences, satan knows the bible and is the great deceiver so changing the symbolism by turning or twisting a couple of the symbols would be right up his alley..........

 

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should we be afried of Germany ?

this time they are comming with lambs clothing,

but will allways show its true collors in the end.



history does not lie, and the Lord can not eather

 

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Please forgive me of my bad , and ignore my first post, on a thread I started.

but start on my post #3, how the church is giving false rest,

and everyone believes a lie. inequity

THE NATIONAL DAY OF REST - Bing

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day.html?highlight=


this forse is not being restrainded anymore,

by the looks of this worlds conflits comming

 

[kennethcadwell]

should we be afried of Germany ?

this time they are comming with lambs clothing,

but will allways show its true collors in the end.



history does not lie, and the Lord can not eather

Maybe if a WW3 starts those nations in the western part of the European union should be looked at, but when it comes to the nations that follow the man of sin the OT prophecies tell us who they are. It lists Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Sudan, and Ethiopia..........

 

[twotwo]

No actually the earliest manuscripts found of Revelation in Greek says Chi Xi Stigma, and as I showed previously the Islamic groups were a symbol very similar to this on their head and right arm. Remember also even though there is some small differences, satan knows the bible and is the great deceiver so changing the symbolism by turning or twisting a couple of the symbols would be right up his alley..........

This is not what is available the modern scholars.

The Other Number of the Beast

 

[kennethcadwell]

This is not what is available the modern scholars.

The Other Number of the Beast

That link says this is from the late 3rd or early 4th century, but we have the Chester Biblical Papyri P47 that has been dated to the 3rd century C.E. that uses the Chi Xi Stigma.........

 

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8I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:

and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,

and a mouth speaking great things.

 

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europe[roman kingdom]german leader, and vatacan will be moved to do Gods will.


Which is do north of [the city], and wants the crown , that was lost, when State of Isreal started,


and camp David accords, and all the stuff that is in history, a pain in citys hide.


the jews returned, the so. tribe, the northern tribe, they where dispersed through out the world,


[Physical] decendents of Abrahams why back when, and other tribes we can idenify

 

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europe looks like iron and clay today, and germany has control of the dutch forces ,

whoes next, east and west together after wall falling down,


and the first shot of ww3 was germany taking something from russia

 

[twotwo]

That link says this is from the late 3rd or early 4th century, but we have the Chester Biblical Papyri P47 that has been dated to the 3rd century C.E. that uses the Chi Xi Stigma.........

P115 is the oldest manuscript including the number of the beast and dates to the 3rd century, ca. 225-275 AD. This manuscript says 616 and not 666. In fact, in the 2nd century, Irenaeus knew about the 616 reading but rejected it to fit his theology.