Disproving Biblical Infallibility 101

[Elin]

When man is involved in something, its never going to be 100 percent perfect. Far from it.

These are eye witness accounts. What would even be the point of publishing the exact same account 4 times? People see things differently and recall things differently, and often incorrectly.

Whoa there, podna'!

Anybody bother reading the Bible?

Jesus empowered the apostles to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15;
Lk 24:48-49).

This is the WORD OF GOD we are talking about here.

Its a non issue and doesn't impact on whether the resurrection really happened. If someone got murdered and all the witnesses had clashing stories, it wouldn't change the fact that someone still got murdered!

Absolutely. . .

All the human yadi yadi cannot unseat what the Holy Spirit gives the believer to know in his heart about the truth and power of God's word written.

It only betrays their unbelief and self-centeredness.

Is this the "emerging" church?

 

[DisciplePAG]

When man is involved in something, its never going to be 100 percent perfect. Far from it.
AMEN.

These are eye witness accounts. What would even be the point of publishing the exact same account 4 times? People see things differently and recall things differently, and often incorrectly.
EXACTLY. THE ACCOUNTS ARE NOT CONSISTENT. thank you!

Its a non issue and doesn't impact on whether the resurrection really happened. If someone got murdered and all the witnesses had clashing stories, it wouldn't change the fact that someone still got murdered!

In regards to it not affecting the truth that Christ was resurrected- amen. We agree 100%. But this truth casts a big shadow brother- if these details are not perfect, and the whole new testament is written upon the memories of men- therefore subject to fallibility as proven by the ressurection story, WHAT ELSE HAS ERRORS??? Pauls teachings? The book of Acts? After all- our only copies are from 300 years AFTER the fact- we have ZERO original copies....none. Although i do believe perfect copies existed at one point in history....

 

[Mitspa]

It is so sad that you find these kind of people everywhere: know-it-all hypocrites, self-serving liars, defiled seared consciences untouchable by truth, supporters and bolsterers of ignorance, did i mention backbiters, haters of truth, unquestionably ill willed?

So help me God i pray no seeker of Christianity comes here asking you heathens for advice in regards to truth about Gods word! Every last one of you will give them YOUR version- devoid of what the true meat of the conversation is....you people are sad. some of you anyways....you make me SICK...

Wow....your Christian nature and gentleness is so evident

Ro 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

[DisciplePAG]

Baloney. . .why are they exempt from error?

You're not even consistent.


And now we are down to your agenda. . .setting up your personal understanding as authoritative over the word of God written.

What a lame, ignorant, ego-centered, thinly-veiled attempt to enthrone yourself above the word of God written.

"Run, forest, run!"


Pathetic deception. . .

Nothing you say is cared abut by anyone that ne that follows this post....your peers are laughing at your blindness and insolent behavior, not to mention your lack of knowledge about basic biblical litigation. You know nothing and prove it by your special way of debating! Thanks for the harrasment and entertainment today!

 

[atwhatcost]

It is so sad that you find these kind of people everywhere: know-it-all hypocrites, self-serving liars, defiled seared consciences untouchable by truth, supporters and bolsterers of ignorance, did i mention backbiters, haters of truth, unquestionably ill willed?

So help me God i pray no seeker of Christianity comes here asking you heathens for advice in regards to truth about Gods word! Every last one of you will give them YOUR version- devoid of what the true meat of the conversation is....you people are sad. some of you anyways....you make me SICK...

Yeah, i know the kind. Kind of why I'm surprised you aren't banned yet,

 

[atwhatcost]

This is interesting.

No one thinks to question a talking snake, or a talking donkey, someone living in a fish etc. They seem to be accepted as fact and no one argues anything about it.

But a few minor discrepancies appear in people's recall of events and then big questions emerge?

I'm sure talking animals are more extraordinary than a couple of normal people giving inconsistent accounts of what happened on a particular day, so why aren't they the focal point of a discussion?

So my question to the OP is, do you accept without question that animals talked in the Bible? And if so why is a normal, natural, distorted and poor recall of the days events more of an issue?

As it just happens, the big fish story is covered in the same book.

 

[crossnote]

In regards to it not affecting the truth that Christ was resurrected- amen. We agree 100%. But this truth casts a big shadow brother- if these details are not perfect, and the whole new testament is written upon the memories of men- therefore subject to fallibility as proven by the ressurection story, WHAT ELSE HAS ERRORS??? Pauls teachings? The book of Acts? After all- our only copies are from 300 years AFTER the fact- we have ZERO original copies....none. Although i do believe perfect copies existed at one point in history....

There are extant fragments from the early 2nd century.
And this doesn't mean the originals didn't last past the late 2nd even into the 3rd century, it's just we have no traces of them today.

 

[crossnote]

Nothing you say is cared abut by anyone that ne that follows this post....your peers are laughing at your blindness and insolent behavior, not to mention your lack of knowledge about basic biblical litigation. You know nothing and prove it by your special way of debating! Thanks for the harrasment and entertainment today!

We could take a vote and you'd see how deluded you are into thinking you are the ONE.

 

[AllanSnackbar]

In regards to it not affecting the truth that Christ was resurrected- amen. We agree 100%. But this truth casts a big shadow brother- if these details are not perfect, and the whole new testament is written upon the memories of men- therefore subject to fallibility as proven by the ressurection story, WHAT ELSE HAS ERRORS??? Pauls teachings? The book of Acts? After all- our only copies are from 300 years AFTER the fact- we have ZERO original copies....none. Although i do believe perfect copies existed at one point in history....

Maybe the Gospels are a 100 percent

correct account of how they remember it?!?!

 

[valiant]

The Scriptures are inerrant, and what the Gospel writers say ALL happened. It is simply that in abbreviating the account not all the same details were included by everyone. That is not erring. It is selecting which material you will use. There are no actual contradictions between the accounts. Put them all together bearing all this in mind and you get the full story.

 

[purgedconscience]

I believe all scripture applies to todays professing christians , and i believe all sanctified christians follow it to a T.


I have a question though: Why does the sequence of events we call "The Resurrection Morning", located in all 4 of the gospels...why do these accounts differ in there sequence of events? Matthew's account finds the tomb sealed, and is opened by an angel of the Lord via earthquake, who proceeds to speak to Mary- now if we closely examine the accounts of Mark, Luke and John, the bible reveals a dramatically different account from those disciples....there are differences in regards to the Angels, both in location upon Mary's arrival, as well as in number, even that the tomb is already opened- even Jesus appears to them at different times, and even Peter shows up at the tomb at a different time, etc...the 4 accounts appear to wholly contradict each other? What gives here??


Thee are huge doctrinal implications to this. The resurrection accounts are conflicting- which would prove fallibility, which would change the whole soapbox many stand on. The foundation of MOST doctrine is now shaky at best....

I read about the first 3 or 4 pages of this thread and I have a simple request for you:

Would you mind posting what you personally find to be the biggest alleged discrepancy, citing the chapters and verses which describe such an alleged discrepancy, that I might have the opportunity to address the same?

Please don't just bombard me with me generalized allusions, but please give me the actual chapters and verses which describe what you believe to be the biggest discrepancy of them all and we'll work forward from there. Thank you.

 

[jkalyna]

Our friendly, neighborhood Spiderman is here!

 

[jkalyna]

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SEnding these spiders to those who use profanity here, you could be the one banned, with all the insolent arrogance, against Israel, and you've offered nothing of a foundation of Jesus, but seem to know it all, hope you get banned, and you know who you are, you spew poision, it's coming back to you. It's not you crossnote, I have not reported this person, using foul mouth but if they read it they will know. They are not real believers, or that person is not, anyone reading their posts will go into the world, not into the word. Any more I will report you,you will know soon who you are. Repent, this is Christian Chat, not a place to spew you venom on everyone,sounds like your one of the most hateful people I've ever known. The Lord Rebukes you unclean demons from this site.

 

[Elin]

It is so sad that you find these kind of people everywhere: know-it-all hypocrites, self-serving liars, defiled seared consciences untouchable by truth, supporters and bolsterers of ignorance, did i mention backbiters, haters of truth, unquestionably ill willed?

So help me God i pray no seeker of Christianity comes here asking you heathens for advice

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

in regards to truth about Gods word! Every last one of you will give them YOUR version- devoid of what
the true meat of the conversation is....
you people are sad. some of you anyways....
you make me SICK...

Quite frustrated at his objections being answered,
and getting no traction with his ridiculous argument based on immaterial discrepancies.
He could use a dictionary.

So you call me athiest and i reply, defending my God and my faith, and you call me prideful and arrogant? lol- you, my NOT friend, have
a crappy way about your discussion manner, or lack thereof. Plainly spoken-
YOU SUCK AT DISCUSSING AN OPPOSING BELIEF.
Your hatred pours through you! You cannot even debate a subject without
name calling lol

Speaking of name calling. . .

He's really piqued at not being able to get any traction with his nonsense.

In regards to it not affecting the truth that Christ was resurrected- amen. We agree 100%. But this truth casts a big shadow brother- if these details are not perfect, and
the whole new testament is written upon the memories of men- therefore
subject to fallibility as proven by the ressurection story, WHAT ELSE HAS ERRORS??? Pauls teachings? The book of Acts? After all- our only copies are from 300 years AFTER the fact- we have ZERO original copies....none. Although i do believe perfect copies existed at one point in history....

This is the anti-Christian troll with his umpteenth screen name, whose ridiculous goal is to unseat the Bible, and who is so foolish as to think an argument from immaterial discrepancies can do so, being ignorant of the import of "immaterial."

His anti-Christian ignorance hangs all over him, and he just can't believe he can't get any traction with his ignorance.

 

[Elin]

Baloney. . .why are they exempt from error?
You're not even consistent.

And now we are down to your agenda. . .setting up your personal understanding as authoritative over the word of God written.

What a lame, ignorant, ego-centered, thinly-veiled attempt to enthrone yourself above the word of God written.

"Run, forest, run!"

Pathetic deception. . .

Nothing you say is cared abut by anyone that ne that follows this post....your peers are laughing at your blindness and insolent behavior, not to mention your lack of knowledge about basic biblical litigation. You know nothing and prove it by your special way of debating! Thanks for the harrasment and entertainment today!

Are you sure about that?

Only if you are my peer, which you are not.

 

[Elin]

Maybe the Gospels are a 100 percent

correct account of how they remember it?!?!

The gospels are God-breathed (2Tim 3:16), written by those empowered to recall and understand all things correctly.

 

[Elin]

The Scriptures are inerrant, and what the Gospel writers say ALL happened. It is simply that in abbreviating the account not all the same details were included by everyone. That is not erring. It is selecting which material you will use. There are no actual contradictions between the accounts.
Put them all together bearing all this in mind and you get the full story.

Don't hold your breath waiting on that one. . .that is exactly what he does not want.

He is so ignorant as to hope to unseat the Bible with immaterial discrepancies.

 

[MarcR]

Yeah, i know the kind. Kind of why I'm surprised you aren't banned yet,

Maybe we all need to keep reporting him until the mods get tired of hearing from us!

 

[atwhatcost]

Maybe we all need to keep reporting him until the mods get tired of hearing from us!

Can we report more than once?

 

[crossnote]

Can we report more than once?

I think so if it's a separate offensive post.