To comfort those who speak in tongues
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I have made note several times now, that those in the cessationist camp become hostile and verbally abusive.
I'm not the only one noticing this as observed by Peaceful Warrior
This is not a passing observance. I have seen this happening since I joined this forum and it is almost always the same people who LOOK for a way to demean and basically sneer at those who speak in tongues. I don't know their attitude regarding the other gifts, but if you sneer at tongues, I don't understand how you think God is going to bless you with any other gift as one and the same HOLY SPIRIT is responsible for dispensing EACH AND EVERY SINGLE one according to the will of God
Perhaps this may explain the dryness in some churches where the Holy Spirit has become an it rather than THE Helper sent by God to empower His children to both live and witness for Him
Perhaps this may explain the hostility of those who fancy themselves teachers because they love the praises of men and so fullfill their pride and ego with a cheering section ordained by others as spiritless as themselvs
You cannot separate the Spirit of God from the Bible and breath life into anyone. God gives life and that by His Spirit...and He does so in any and every language!
I'm not the only one noticing this as observed by Peaceful Warrior
This is not a passing observance. I have seen this happening since I joined this forum and it is almost always the same people who LOOK for a way to demean and basically sneer at those who speak in tongues. I don't know their attitude regarding the other gifts, but if you sneer at tongues, I don't understand how you think God is going to bless you with any other gift as one and the same HOLY SPIRIT is responsible for dispensing EACH AND EVERY SINGLE one according to the will of God
Perhaps this may explain the dryness in some churches where the Holy Spirit has become an it rather than THE Helper sent by God to empower His children to both live and witness for Him
Perhaps this may explain the hostility of those who fancy themselves teachers because they love the praises of men and so fullfill their pride and ego with a cheering section ordained by others as spiritless as themselvs
You cannot separate the Spirit of God from the Bible and breath life into anyone. God gives life and that by His Spirit...and He does so in any and every language!
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I think Willie-T put it very well when he wrote this:
Striving for the acquisition of knowledge as a means to achieving an appearance of righteousness is one of the largest sins of pride... and it is precisely what the Pharisees tried to do.
in another thread.
Without the Holy Spirit, you just have a pile of dead man's bones...you are not uplifiting anyone with your sarcasim and bullying
Striving for the acquisition of knowledge as a means to achieving an appearance of righteousness is one of the largest sins of pride... and it is precisely what the Pharisees tried to do.
in another thread.
Without the Holy Spirit, you just have a pile of dead man's bones...you are not uplifiting anyone with your sarcasim and bullying
Sneering is such a loathsome term for you to use.
Tell me when a surgeon cuts out a cancer is it unkind or necessary? The pain is it to be avoided and the patient perish or endured that the patient might have a high quality of life?
It may be blunt but when finesse fails then only bluntness remains. Souls are at stake and the enemy is crafty and sly.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tell me when a surgeon cuts out a cancer is it unkind or necessary? The pain is it to be avoided and the patient perish or endured that the patient might have a high quality of life?
It may be blunt but when finesse fails then only bluntness remains. Souls are at stake and the enemy is crafty and sly.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I Agree In some cases.
But from my perspective, the tongues people get a pass with passive aggressiveness.
~~~ I have yet to see someone who doesn't believe in tongues, imply or state that tongues believers are unsaved.~~~~
If it isn't implied or stated that we are unsaved, we get this.............
1. God probably won't bless you.
2.your Christian walk is "dry"
3.you can't really live or witness for Him.
4.you are hostile.
5.you love the praises of men.
6.you are fulfilling your pride and ego.
7.you want a cheering section.
8. you are spiritless.
9 you have separated the Spirit from the bible.
10. you are basically impotent.
This is just from your post. I know its not exactly what you wrote. But it is how I take it.
But from my perspective, the tongues people get a pass with passive aggressiveness.
~~~ I have yet to see someone who doesn't believe in tongues, imply or state that tongues believers are unsaved.~~~~
If it isn't implied or stated that we are unsaved, we get this.............
1. God probably won't bless you.
2.your Christian walk is "dry"
3.you can't really live or witness for Him.
4.you are hostile.
5.you love the praises of men.
6.you are fulfilling your pride and ego.
7.you want a cheering section.
8. you are spiritless.
9 you have separated the Spirit from the bible.
10. you are basically impotent.
This is just from your post. I know its not exactly what you wrote. But it is how I take it.
An understanding of the different usages of another seemed relevant to me. If it is not to you . . . then it's no big deal. I meant no harm.
I apologize for not reading thoroughly - but only saw "that doesn't mean any old Tom, Dick or Harry.
I meant nothing as an argument . . . just a clearer understanding. Even at the end of my post, I said: To a degree yes we are on the same page . . .
Okay . . . your just not taking in the meaning of the contraction "but" which starts off v7 . . . That contraction is used to set in contrast . . . we learn that in any English class in school.
The holy spirit is also a gift - Acts 2:38, 11:17. Elsewhere there is the "fruit" of the Spirit which manifest itself in nine characteristics: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance [Gal. 5:22]. . . . just as the manifestation of the Spirit is shown in nine manifestations [1 Cor. 12:7].
You know . . . I never meant anything I said as an argument just further elaboration on the discussion and in agreement with what you had posted. I am having trouble understanding the anger that seems to be coming from you. Anyway, I apologize if I angered you in some way . . . . .
I apologize for not reading thoroughly - but only saw "that doesn't mean any old Tom, Dick or Harry.
I meant nothing as an argument . . . just a clearer understanding. Even at the end of my post, I said: To a degree yes we are on the same page . . .
Okay . . . your just not taking in the meaning of the contraction "but" which starts off v7 . . . That contraction is used to set in contrast . . . we learn that in any English class in school.
The holy spirit is also a gift - Acts 2:38, 11:17. Elsewhere there is the "fruit" of the Spirit which manifest itself in nine characteristics: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance [Gal. 5:22]. . . . just as the manifestation of the Spirit is shown in nine manifestations [1 Cor. 12:7].
You know . . . I never meant anything I said as an argument just further elaboration on the discussion and in agreement with what you had posted. I am having trouble understanding the anger that seems to be coming from you. Anyway, I apologize if I angered you in some way . . . . .
I am not surprised any more at the lengths people will go to in order to disguise their unbelief! 
The point is,
if Greek is not your first language you will need to depend on man's interpretation and/or translation in order to figure out what is being said, and also the cultural nuances of the time etc.... and thus what the scriptures mean....and if you are learning it yourself there is a large margin for error.
The point is,
if Greek is not your first language you will need to depend on man's interpretation and/or translation in order to figure out what is being said, and also the cultural nuances of the time etc.... and thus what the scriptures mean....and if you are learning it yourself there is a large margin for error.
How do you know that the Holy Spirit didn't guide me in my studying?
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This was in regards to not your post, but Conv's. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rt-those-who-speak-tongues-9.html#post2245719 (She was addressing VW)
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And somebody, please, rep Roger for me. System says "spread it around" first.
I perhaps owe you and Roger an apology -- I went back to the OP and re-read.
I found that you both were initially gentle with your words and only became more blunt as time went on.
My bad. Thanks guys.
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I don't know exactly what she means either -- it seems like a flawed statement to me.
However, I think it has something to do with this:
Person A is trapped on an island in solitude for their entire life and their only possession is a Bible.
Person B is a scholar who went to seminary and continues to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc.
Which person will have a better understanding of God's Word?
Then there's this element of the Holy Spirit; it seems she values her (perceived) promptings from the H.S. more so than she values the knowledge learned from decades (centuries?) of study. Basically mysticism versus knowledge. Or intuition versus ordinary understanding.
I am not surprised any more at the lengths people will go to in order to disguise their unbelief!
Person A is trapped on an island in solitude for their entire life and their only possession is a Bible.
Person B is a scholar who went to seminary and continues to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc.
Which person will have a better understanding of God's Word?
Then there's this element of the Holy Spirit; it seems she values her (perceived) promptings from the H.S. more so than she values the knowledge learned from decades (centuries?) of study. Basically mysticism versus knowledge. Or intuition versus ordinary understanding.
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right...and that is the best excuse to offer God when He asks you why you just stood on the sidelines and criticized
Let's have a look at that list
1. God probably won't bless you. why? are you living in sin?
2.your Christian walk is "dry" that could be true actually
3.you can't really live or witness for Him. that is not true either as we already have the Holy Spirit when we become believers
4.you are hostile. the cessationists responding in this thread are sometimes abusive, never mind hostile and not only that, at least one of them, tries to make it seem it is the one they are responding to...they think that by pretending to be nice their bite might be less but we have teeth marks
5.you love the praises of men. well do you? some certainly do...the Bible even says so! but to be fair, so do many exhibitionists in the other camp...I don't agree with them either!
6.you are fulfilling your pride and ego. not everyone...just the ones who brag they know more than anyone else
7.you want a cheering section. well it does help, don't you think?
8. you are spiritless. oh you're making that one up..never seen that one...besides the Bible says otherwise
9 you have separated the Spirit from the bible. uh....no one can do that...please check your wording...I think you have it wrong
10. you are basically impotent. see a doctor...they may be able to help
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I don't find this first post of VW gentle:
he appears to consider himself the last word in something he does not even believe in
and then ends by stating they serve no purpose today except for self-glorification of those who practice them and then the piece de resistance,he concludes we are sinners
as I already stated at the beginning, he appears in every thread on tongues and basically does the same
it's like someone putting a smiley face on the end of a nasty comment...what are you going to believe...the comment or the smiley?
at any rate, since when does the Bible say that if someone digs at you, you should dig back?
sorry, no one here is smelling like a rose, but the mocking and disguised contempt is something I am really up to here with
we have the same sort of dialogue in the threads with the salvation with works crowd...it starts with discussion and ends with mocking by those who are OSAS
lovely
he appears to consider himself the last word in something he does not even believe in
and then ends by stating they serve no purpose today except for self-glorification of those who practice them and then the piece de resistance,he concludes we are sinners
as I already stated at the beginning, he appears in every thread on tongues and basically does the same
it's like someone putting a smiley face on the end of a nasty comment...what are you going to believe...the comment or the smiley?
at any rate, since when does the Bible say that if someone digs at you, you should dig back?
sorry, no one here is smelling like a rose, but the mocking and disguised contempt is something I am really up to here with
we have the same sort of dialogue in the threads with the salvation with works crowd...it starts with discussion and ends with mocking by those who are OSAS
lovely
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You either don't know or you don't care.
Tongues are for a sign to unsaved Jews. What do you suppose unsaved Gentiles think? Scripture says they will think everybody is crazy. In todays modern tongues church that is not far from the truth.
Souls are always at stake. Do not scatter the flock.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tongues are for a sign to unsaved Jews. What do you suppose unsaved Gentiles think? Scripture says they will think everybody is crazy. In todays modern tongues church that is not far from the truth.
Souls are always at stake. Do not scatter the flock.
For the cause of Christ
Roger