Was Jesus the only one born without sin?

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Or was it Jesus and Mary that was the one's born without sin like the Catholics teach? IF Mary was born without sin could there be others also who were born with sin?

I believe only Jesus was born without sin! What do you believe?
 
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Or was it Jesus and Mary that was the one's born without sin like the Catholics teach? IF Mary was born without sin could there be others also who were born with sin?

I believe only Jesus was born without sin! What do you believe?
Jesus is the only human being born without a sin nature.
 
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Or was it Jesus and Mary that was the one's born without sin like the Catholics teach? IF Mary was born without sin could there be others also who were born with sin?

I believe only Jesus was born without sin! What do you believe?
The Vatican promotes Mary as co-Creator and sinless, and Blessed above all other Woman promoting Idolatry.

Mary was born a sinner just as all humans are when born; Luke 1 verses 46-47: " And Mary said, my soul doth magnify The Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD MY SAVIOR"
Only sinners need a savior..
 
Apr 11, 2015
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The Vatican promotes Mary as co-Creator and sinless, and Blessed above all other Woman promoting Idolatry.

Mary was born a sinner just as all humans are when born; Luke 1 verses 46-47: " And Mary said, my soul doth magnify The Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD MY SAVIOR"
Only sinners need a savior..
Mary was not born a sinner and who are you that dares to say so - Mary's wonderful God and Saviour saved her and most of us before we were born - just who do you think you are to say otherwise - of course it could be because you and others think you are more infallible than any Catholic including the Pope - it is not in the bible that Mary sinned and in fact exactly the opposite is the case - so you will one day have to answer why when presented with these two options you deliberately chose the one you did as an insult to Catholics and God and the mother of God - btw may just be that God is everything but human - wincam
 
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Mary was not born a sinner and who are you that dares to say so - Mary's wonderful God and Saviour saved her and most of us before we were born - just who do you think you are to say otherwise - of course it could be because you and others think you are more infallible than any Catholic including the Pope - it is not in the bible that Mary sinned and in fact exactly the opposite is the case - so you will one day have to answer why when presented with these two options you deliberately chose the one you did as an insult to Catholics and God and the mother of God - btw may just be that God is everything but human - wincam
"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom3:23)
 

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Mary was not born a sinner and who are you that dares to say so - Mary's wonderful God and Saviour saved her and most of us before we were born - just who do you think you are to say otherwise - of course it could be because you and others think you are more infallible than any Catholic including the Pope - it is not in the bible that Mary sinned and in fact exactly the opposite is the case - so you will one day have to answer why when presented with these two options you deliberately chose the one you did as an insult to Catholics and God and the mother of God - btw may just be that God is everything but human - wincam
Provide 1 scripture that says that Mary was sinless or that Mary was the Mother of God.

Both are philosophies of the Catholics and are not stated anywhere in the bible.
 
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"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom3:23)
it definately says all = everyone[oxford dictionary] = includes Adam and Eve = Jesus as the second Adam and even more human than us also redeemed himself and his beloved Eve - wincam
 
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it definately says all = everyone[oxford dictionary] = includes Adam and Eve = Jesus as the second Adam and even more human than us also redeemed himself and his beloved Eve - wincam
Ummmm, no. Jesus was born without a sin nature, and never sinned. He had no need to be "redeemed".
 
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Or was it Jesus and Mary that was the one's born without sin like the Catholics teach? IF Mary was born without sin could there be others also who were born with sin?

I believe only Jesus was born without sin! What do you believe?
Jesus was the only human born without sin,for He was begotten by the Holy Spirit,born of a virgin,God manifest in the flesh,so there is no way He could sin,for the child Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,and now a glorified body on the throne in heaven,God's visible relationship to the saints.

Jesus is God with us,so there is no possible way for Him to sin,although as being a human was tempted,yet without sin.

Mary is not born without sin,for she has a mother and father,and she called Jesus her Savior,which if she was born without sin,then she would not need a Savior,and the Bible says all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God.

But Catholics will try to justify it by saying Mary was born without the stain of original sin,and she had no inclination to sin,but always did God's will,but they say Jesus is her Savior,which if she always did the will of God,and did not sin,she would not need a Savior,for she could only be like that if God caused her to be like that her entire life.

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost from birth,but John was still born in to sin,and this did not save him,but to give him power by the assistance of God to be strong in the truth,for he would prepare the way for Jesus,by his preaching in Israel.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

The Bible does not say Mary was filled with the Holy Ghost at birth,but John was at birth,and Jesus said born among women there has not been a greater than John the Baptist,because he was filled with the Holy Ghost at birth.

Those born among women there has not been a greater than John the Baptist,which according to Jesus,John was considered greater than Mary,and Jesus said anybody that does the will of God,is Jesus' mother,brethren,and sisters,and anybody that hears the word of God,and does it,is as blessed as Mary.

So Jesus put all the saints on an equal level with Mary,and on earth put John the Baptist above her.

They say Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin,but she was not even filled with the Holy Ghost at birth,which John was filled with the Holy Ghost at birth,and that is why he is the greatest born among women,but the least in heaven is greater than him,for John was not saved while on earth,because Jesus had not shed His blood yet,but was saved after Jesus shed His blood,but in heaven God put all saints on an equal level with Mary.

Their exaltation of Mary is not scriptural,and she was born in to sin like everybody else,and John was born in to sin,but was filled with the Holy Ghost to give him power to prepare the way for Jesus.

Adam and Eve were created without sin,but they still had the capacity to sin,in which they did sin,for they were made a living soul,but Jesus was made a quickening spirit.

Jesus is the only human being to be born without sin,for He is conceived by the Holy Spirit,of a virgin,and John is the only human to be filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb,and born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist,but he was born in to sin,and Mary was born in to sin like everybody else,and Jesus put all the saints on the same level as her,and Adam and Eve were created without sin,but had the choice to sin,which they did sin.

Other instances of a human not being able to sin,is when God appeared to Abraham in flesh,and two of His angels in flesh,and Melchizedek,king of Salem,who was without descent,without mother or father,having no beginning of days,or end of life,but these humans were not born in to this world,but two visible manifestations of God,on two different occasions,and two angels in flesh,on one occasion,and were only bodies that God made form the dust of the earth,and when used to appear on earth,where made to dust again.
 

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Mary was not born a sinner and who are you that dares to say so - Mary's wonderful God and Saviour saved her and most of us before we were born - just who do you think you are to say otherwise
This is an emotional reaction, not logic. It has no value in supporting your position. This is a discussion forum, in which we are free to think and say whatever we choose. Your belief does not constrain anyone else's thought. After all, who are you to suggest that we are wrong for our beliefs?

- of course it could be because you and others think you are more infallible than any Catholic including the Pope
Regarding the idea that 'we' think we are 'more infallible', this is a canard. It is also an emotional reaction. It is invalid and irrelevant, because neither Catholics nor the Pope are infallible, so 'more infallible' is nonsensical.

- it is not in the bible that Mary sinned and in fact exactly the opposite is the case -
If you are going to make such a claim, you need to present Scripture which supports it. Good luck.

so you will one day have to answer why when presented with these two options you deliberately chose the one you did as an insult to Catholics and God and the mother of God - btw may just be that God is everything but human - wincam
This is fearmongering. "Chose to insult Catholics" is irrelevant. "Chose to insult God" is incorrect. "Chose to insult the mother of God" is impossible, as God has no mother. You are free to believe as you choose... as are the rest of us.

As to your last sentence, are you suggesting that Christ is not God, or perhaps that Christ is not human?
 

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"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom3:23)
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? John 8:46


All men (male and female) are created equal.
 

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Or was it Jesus and Mary that was the one's born without sin like the Catholics teach? IF Mary was born without sin could there be others also who were born with sin?

I believe only Jesus was born without sin! What do you believe?
Ezek 18:20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son:

the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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All children are born sinless.
 

valiant

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Mary was not born a sinner and who are you that dares to say so - Mary's wonderful God and Saviour saved her and most of us before we were born - just who do you think you are to say otherwise - of course it could be because you and others think you are more infallible than any Catholic including the Pope - it is not in the bible that Mary sinned and in fact exactly the opposite is the case - so you will one day have to answer why when presented with these two options you deliberately chose the one you did as an insult to Catholics and God and the mother of God - btw may just be that God is everything but human - wincam
Mary clearly sinned in not noticing that her son had been left behind in Jerusalem.(Luke2).

She sinned again when she tried to interfere with His ministry.(Mark 3.31-35).

She is NOT the mother of God. She was the mother of Jesus in His humanity.
 

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I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but I could make a case for John the Baptist........now, it may or may not prove out, but I think a case could be made for him........as he was "filled with the Holy Spirit" in his mothers womb, if I remember correctly.
 

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I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but I could make a case for John the Baptist........now, it may or may not prove out, but I think a case could be made for him........as he was "filled with the Holy Spirit" in his mothers womb, if I remember correctly.
Ask him LoL You cannot come to such a conclusion without MUCH more information. HE did not think so

Many are filled with the Holy Spirit and yet all sin afterwards
 
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Provide 1 scripture that says that Mary was sinless or that Mary was the Mother of God.

Both are philosophies of the Catholics and are not stated anywhere in the bible.
1 - Mary like us was saved before she was born and all that was required was acceptance at a later date as also was the case with the thief on the cross


2- Lk.1:43 - wincam
 

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1 - Mary like us was saved before she was born and all that was required was acceptance at a later date as also was the case with the thief on the cross
Yes she was saved BECAUSE of her sins

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p_rehbein

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Ask him LoL You cannot come to such a conclusion without MUCH more information. HE did not think so

Many are filled with the Holy Spirit and yet all sin afterwards
I know............but, how many people from the New Testament were prophesied of? John the Baptist was NOTHING, if not filled with humility..........but, EVEN MORE filled with the Holy Ghost right? Just saying :)

Luke 1:12) And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 .) But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 .) And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 .) For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
16 .) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 .) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
18 .) And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
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.) And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

I do not know of another person who has been spoken of in this manner in all of Scripture...........if you do, please let me know........as for many being filled with the Holy Spirit, do you know of a Scripturally documented case of this of one being "filled in their Mothers womb?"

As I said, a case can be made........and maybe John wasn't as "special" a person as I believe him to have been. But, what OTHER person was spoken of as was John...............OTHER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF?


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No one is born with sin, period; not even the Polar Bear

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