Women Pastors? Help me.

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Willie-T

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Demi777 said:
well said I see you point and after u added the rest, I agree. I think when it comes to ministry all in all, God doesnt make a differnce as that mainly depends on the character and gifts he gave that person (for some reason ppl think they can appoint and anoint themselves, i disagree. God calles people into offices and not the people)
Now of course woman and men do have generally in the more physical manner have a different role in relationships etc. as u stated the MAN is the head of the household. then the woman is the head of the children. Woman have roles and men :p SO all in all we all arent as multitasking as we would like to be lol
I dont agree with all that eve deceived kauderwelch that keeps getting brought up.. Adam could have said no and he didnt. He didnt take his responsibility so in the end, both failed. But like said its a big topic and I think we can agree to disagree in a few points.. its not like its the first. :p
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Girl, you're becoming WAY too German. (And there is no Double Dutch in that statement. LOL)
 
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your altering the word of God, A minister must be the husband of one wife, you cannot take one part out of God word \
without getting in Trouble. I Pity you that your altering God word, you better take another look at what your saying. God calls
men to preach not woman, her purpose is different, and by the way God makes the rule and commandment's
 
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you believe what you want but I chose to take God word for it not your belief about it .no offence intended .
 
Willie-T

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Both men and women seem to have problems with this. From my observation, it is usually members of either gender that are not truly comfortable with who they are that have the most difficulties.

If a man has identity issues, he usually LOVES these verses. Probably because they relieve him of the responsibility of standing up.

If a woman is not comfortable with who she is, she usually HATES them and gets quite vocal about it.

You have to look at both people with the realization of what it truly is that they might be reacting to.
 
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jake777 said:
your altering the word of God, A minister must be the husband of one wife, you cannot take one part out of God word \
without getting in Trouble. I Pity you that your altering God word, you better take another look at what your saying. God calls
men to preach not woman, her purpose is different, and by the way God makes the rule and commandment's
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Who is "you?"

And as far as God's word goes, since you discount Titus 2, what else have you discounted?

I feel like I've just been told if I don't pass on this email to ten other people, I will die tomorrow. :rolleyes:
 
p_rehbein

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Sure, glad to help. Women Pastors are women who were called by God to the Ministry, and, in many cases, became Ordained and/or attended Theological Schools, and then were qualified as Preachers, Evangelists. Some Congregation was looking for a Pastor, invited a few folks (Preachers) in to preach as a "try out/get to know ya" kinda thing. One (or more) of them was a woman. After all was said and done, the Pulpit Committee recommended the woman Preacher to the whole Congregation as being the most qualified to be their new Pastor. The Congregation prayed for Holy Spirit guidance, and voted, and the woman was hired as the new Pastor.

And there you have it! Woman Pastor!

If you have any more questions, just ask.

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Grace777x70

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For those that are open to it - here is an excellent teaching - first from a "man" - then a woman talking about the cultural truths in Paul's day.




[video=youtube;CDHm7uplV6w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHm7uplV6w[/video]
 
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People wrestle with their interpretation of the Word and the things God actually does.

HOW does God use these women when they're "supposed to be out of His will"?

Jesus said you'll know them by their fruits. Scripture says that those led by the Spirit don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

When their fruit point to being Spirit led, then is the time to investigate those verses you "know" so well to find the problem.

God is unchanging. He will not violate His own word. That means man violated the Word with a false interpretation.

Those who bark loudly the "sin" of these women need to get a backhoe & dig their false interpretation out of their eye.

I find it ridiculous that those that judge women ministers cannot even come close to doing for God what they do.

Let the ministry of those judges exceed the ministry of these women ministers before they judge them.

Know this..... that padded pew you sit comfortably on every service doing next to nothing on is NOT an authoritative throne of judgment. If you don't want them to preach, git off yer can & take their place!:rolleyes:
 
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For those that are open to it - here is an excellent teaching - first from a "man" - then a woman talking about the cultural truths in Paul's day.
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While cultural truth today is that male is called a man and female is called a woman.

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind , Gen 1:25
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; Gen 1:27

These are them who were formed from the dust of the ground.

A lot of people have real bad reading comprehension skills so the son of David tries to spell it for the reader, I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Eccl 3:18

Like Jesus taught in Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that the he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. A 'man' is a male or female. A Woman is the man and his wife.

There is more to it but I would be wasting my breath other than to say that the Holy Ghost is the Man.
 
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Dino246

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John146 said:
Ditto, the Bible should always dictate the culture, but what we see going on today is the culture dictating the Bible.
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While this is a valid point, we must also recognize that the Bible was written within a specific cultural context, and that ignoring said context can lead to misinterpretation. The context is critical to a right understanding of Paul's writings.

Also, if we try to take these verses in isolation, they clash with other verses. Jesus affirmed the value of women generally. Paul affirmed them in roles of teaching (Priscilla) and apostleship (Junia... and please don't argue the notion that it was "Junias").

The verse about "for Adam was formed first" makes no sense if taken in isolation. What does that have to do with authority or ability to lead? By that logic, we should let the animals lead because they were formed before us. Rather, Paul was countering a proto-Gnostic teaching that Eve was formed first.
 
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Dino246 said:
While this is a valid point, we must also recognize that the Bible was written within a specific cultural context, and that ignoring said context can lead to misinterpretation. The context is critical to a right understanding of Paul's writings.

Also, if we try to take these verses in isolation, they clash with other verses. Jesus affirmed the value of women generally. Paul affirmed them in roles of teaching (Priscilla) and apostleship (Junia... and please don't argue the notion that it was "Junias").

The verse about "for Adam was formed first" makes no sense if taken in isolation. What does that have to do with authority or ability to lead? By that logic, we should let the animals lead because they were formed before us. Rather, Paul was countering a proto-Gnostic teaching that Eve was formed first.
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If God thought that the cultural aspect of the people were important, He would have added it in His word and told us so. Yes, women should, can, and have played an important role in the ministry, but God has given us order. It's not a matter of inequality, but rather, specific roles to play within the church. As a man, I don't feel God has led me to be a pastor. I'm ok with that. I must submit to the role God has given me and do that the best I can.

If a woman states that God has called her to be a pastor, that's unbiblical and not God's calling. Could she still be an effective preacher? Yes, but it's not the order God has set. Paul disobeyed God by going to Rome, but still had a huge impact on the Romans while there.

I believe it's a sign that we are in the last days. Read 2 Timothy 3.
 
notuptome

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Just do whatever you want because scripture does not matter. You have free will so go ahead and use it. Do whatever seems right in you own eyes. Who cares about sound doctrine.

Cynical? Sarcastic? Just a touch perhaps.

Many here do not support a single God appointed pastor in the local assembly so why not have a multitude running the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Do we think that God now agrees with slavery? That was a common practice back in the NT. That was a "cultural norm".

Not reading scripture in relation to cultural settings brings about all kinds of things that we think we are "following God's word" - like women should not be wearing gold and certain types of clothes - not be able to teach...etc..

Paul tells those that are "slaves" how to live despite their condition in life.

The reading of the life of William Wilberforce and John Newton who wrote "Amazing Grace" will enlighten us on the slavery issue and God's plan for our lives and it does not endorse slavery.

Paul also says to pray for those in authority - to change how society is governed so that we may lead peaceable lives. 1 Tim. 2:1-4

These prayers would be used to abolish slavery even though it was a "cultural norm" back in the NT.
 
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Magenta

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The cross brings equality to all. The carnal mind has trouble accepting this.

I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. Romans 16:1-2 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. Romans 16:1-2


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The word servant is the word diakonos, from which we get our word deacon. Strong's Concordance states that the general understanding of the meaning of this word was a Christian pastor or teacher. It can mean minister, servant, or deacon. Paul used it or a derivative of the word thirty-four times. Six times it clearly refers to the office of a deacon. Twenty-seven times it is translated minister. Only once, when Paul uses the word, is it translated servant--in describing Phoebe.

It is found eighteen times in the Gospels. Fourteen of those times it is translated minister. Most of these are clearly what we would consider ministry in the acts and teaching of Jesus. Four times, when the context is clearly what we would term a hired-servant type, it is actually translated servant.

My point is very clear. When the male translators dealt with Phoebe, they had a choice. Do we make Phoebe a servant, thus in line with our views where women should be in church? We surely cannot make her a deacon. That's too much authority. And we surely cannot make her a minister. That would leave too much room. Why, she might have been an elder, a prophetess, a pastor, or an apostle. No way! Make her a servant!

Now, we all should be servants. But when Paul wanted to denote servanthood as a holy characteristic of Christian life, he usually used the word doulos, the Greek word for bondslave. He understood that servanthood meant death to self and sacrifice for others. But when describing the function of another, he did not use this word. But the translators did. That's the fifteenth century translators hired by King James--not the first century apostle chosen by God.

Now, the translators did a marvelous job on 99% of the Scriptures. But on some male-female issues, their choice of words was colored by their gender. Maybe not intentionally, but certainly in effect.

For instance, in Ephesians 6:21, Tychicus is referred to by Paul as a beloved brother and faithful minister. Same word, different sex, different translation.

Look at Colossians 1:7. Epaphras, our dear sundoulous (fellow servant), is a faithful diakonos (translated minister) of Christ. Why not Phoebe? Then Paul refers to himself as a diakonos in Col. 1:23, 1:25, and Eph. 3:7 and follows in Eph. 3:8 that because he was made a diakonos, he can preach! If Paul, why not Phoebe!???

Eph. 3:7-8... of which I became a minister [diakonos] according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. To me who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ.

Sound doctrine must come from an overview of all the scriptures on a subject. Then the seemingly hard to understand into the context of the whole, not the other way around. What we have done with teaching on women in ministry is the other way around. We have ignored the practice of women being used in ministry and concentrated on a few Scriptures that may have missed out on the translation boat when the translators took their voyage.

It is true that the word diakonos is primarily used to describe a person who would minister in what we would term the ministry of helps. And Phoebe may have ministered to the church in this fashion. But the word has a fuller meaning, including the one mentioned above in which Paul received grace to preach from his grace to minister (diakonos).

Look at some other Scriptures where diakonos or a derivative of that word is translated ministry:

  • The ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor. 5)
  • The ministry of the spirit (2 Cor. 3:7)
  • The ministry of righteousness (2 Cor. 3:7)
  • Addicted to the ministry of the saints (1 Cor. 16:15)
  • Able ministers of the new covenant (2 Cor. 3:6)
  • Civil authorities as ministers (Rom. 13:4)
Paul is a minister, Tychicus is a minister, Epaphras is a minister, and Timothy is a minister. Why not Phoebe? Only one reason. She was a woman. Who made her less? Not God. Not Jesus. Not Paul. Only man and his pride that has perpetuated womenless ministry. Priscilla and Phoebe show us about Paul, by David Fees
 
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Women pastors?

I don't even think women should be allowed to wear britches.

And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be able to leave the house.



Pretty soon they'll be trying to get into college.
 
Grace777x70

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maxwel said:
Women pastors?

I don't even think women should be allowed to wear britches.

And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be able to leave the house.



Pretty soon they'll be trying to get into college.
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It's a sign of the end times when women were "allowed to vote" - as if they were people too....:rolleyes: What kind of apostasy will be coming next concerning these "rebellious women"?

Galatians 3:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Do we think that God now agrees with slavery? That was a common practice back in the NT. That was a "cultural norm".

Not reading scripture in relation to cultural settings brings about all kinds of things that we think we are "following God's word" - like women should not be wearing gold and certain types of clothes - not be able to teach...etc..

Paul tells those that are "slaves" how to live despite their condition in life.

The reading of the life of William Wilberforce and John Newton who wrote "Amazing Grace" will enlighten us on the slavery issue and God's plan for our lives and it does not endorse slavery.

Paul also says to pray for those in authority - to change how society is governed so that we may lead peaceable lives. 1 Tim. 2:1-4

These prayers would be used to abolish slavery even though it was a "cultural norm" back in the NT.
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Are we free from slavery? Slavery to sin? Slavery to debt? Slavery to the government?

I wonder? Are we not better than slaves through Christ? Yet still indebted to Him in all things.

For the cause of Christ
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Grace777x70 said:
Do we think that God now agrees with slavery? That was a common practice back in the NT. That was a "cultural norm".
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Actually, God promoted slavery in the Law. It was a wonderful idea. Too bad it doesn't happen like that today. There would be no Welfare, no Social Security, and no Gitmo. And that's because it's not up to the government to take care of the widows, orphans, disabled, or even POW's.]

So, yeah. God still agrees with slavery. We simply stopped doing that in the manner he taught.
 
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Women pastors?

I don't even think women should be allowed to wear britches.

And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be able to leave the house.



Pretty soon they'll be trying to get into college.
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Ha! I just found the only other person in the world who still says britches. lol
 
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