Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" (Ephesians 2:8 NIV)

5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:5 NIV)

It is through faith that we access the grace by which we are saved and will be saved. No faith = no salvation. Keep believing to the very end, folks.

"2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:2 NIV)

12See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end." (Hebrews 3:12-14 NIV)

Hardly anyone buys this drivel ^^^^^^^ and if you really understood Greek verb tense, context and the truth you would not be peddling it like a street organ player with a dancing monkey....

Salvation--->a present continuing result from a past completed action......hopefully you will figure it out one day instead of relying upon self.....trust Jesus before it is too late....

 

[dcontroversal]

Oh, by the way......did someone finally post the scripture that says trusting in God is the self righteous work of trying to justify/save oneself?

No? Didn't think so.

Meanwhile, let's meditate on the scripture that contrasts trusting with working to be justified:

5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." (Romans 4:5 NIV)

The word MUST after initial faith equals the bolded above.....

 

[Bogadile]

PHart you are preaching to the choir I feel.

Who here believes that we need not continually trust in God? I know not one. The real question is who is that real believer baptized into Christ who has to put forth effort to continually trust in God?
As a new creation in Christ that comes by nature.

You should know this.

 

[PHart]

Hardly anyone buys this drivel ^^^^^^^

I am aware that there are many in the church heavily influenced by Calvinism and who think it's okay to continue in their old lives because they being preordained to be saved trumps even their continuing to believe to be saved. I'm well aware of this.

The funny thing being, even Calving asserted that only true believers continue to believe. He would be appalled at this ugly step sister of Calvinism that is capturing the church today that says you are still saved even if you go back to the world in a contemptuous unbelief and lack of trust in the blood of Christ, trampling it under.

and if you really understood Greek verb tense, context and the truth you would not be peddling it like a street organ player with a dancing monkey....

Salvation--->a present continuing result from a past completed action......hopefully you will figure it out one day instead of relying upon self.....trust Jesus before it is too late....

Trusting is in the present tense in Romans 4:5. Did you know this?

You have to be presently believing to be presently saved. People in the church who go back to the world were either never saved to begin with, or they stopped trusting in the blood somewhere along the line and lost the forgiveness of sin they once were covered by. No former believer will be in the kingdom.

 

[PHart]

PHart you are preaching to the choir I feel.

Who here believes that we need not continually trust in God? I know not one. The real question is who is that real believer baptized into Christ who has to put forth effort to continually trust in God?
As a new creation in Christ that comes by nature.

You should know this.

You are young. Perhaps you will one day see why the Bible exhorts us to not forget our first love. Is it because we automatically by virtue of the new nature always and continually love God, or because over time we may not nurture that continuing love in a drawing near to God?

 

[PHart]

The word MUST after initial faith equals the bolded above.....

Several warning and exhortations in the Bible to hold fast to the very end make it so the 'must' is indeed a part of enduring in faith to the very end. If believing was automatic there would be no need for the Bible to exhort us to continue to believe to the very end.

 

[Bogadile]

You are young.

So are you.

What does that have to do with it? I got plenty of veterans in the faith who agree with me, if that helps at all?

 

[garee]

You are young. Perhaps you will one day see why the Bible exhorts us to not forget our first love. Is it because we automatically by virtue of the new nature always and continually love God, or because over time we may not nurture that continuing love in a drawing near to God?

Our first love is that we hear God and he gives us his faith to believe him .... called the hearing of faith (his) If we begin in that way according to his will that works in us it will finish what he did start. He does not draw men and after they deny him .he must be crucified again and again .. those would be the foolish ones.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Gal 3:1

Better things accompany salvation called redemption. No confidence in the corrupted flesh.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[preacher4truth]

PHart you are preaching to the choir I feel.

Who here believes that we need not continually trust in God? I know not one. The real question is who is that real believer baptized into Christ who has to put forth effort to continually trust in God?
As a new creation in Christ that comes by nature.

You should know this.

What you've just described is faith that has actually saved an individual which results in perseverance in the faith and, has already, in God's economy, received glorification not yet realized.

PHart will have none of that.

 

[preacher4truth]

So are you.

Exactly my thoughts, lol!

 

[beastslayer1970]

Hardly anyone buys this drivel ^^^^^^^ and if you really understood Greek verb tense, context and the truth you would not be peddling it like a street organ player with a dancing monkey....

Salvation--->a present continuing result from a past completed action......hopefully you will figure it out one day instead of relying upon self.....trust Jesus before it is too late....

Do you believe that saving faith is the gift of the personal faith of Jesus Christ and not your own?

Do you believe Jesus own personal faith saves you and keeps you and never your own faith?

 

[PHart]

So are you.

What does that have to do with it? I got plenty of veterans in the faith who agree with me, if that helps at all?

Yes, I've met many untested and unchallenged 'veterans' in the faith. And I also know of many veteran believers who think they are still believers while they willingly watch 'Game of Thrones' and other obscene media and indulge other worldly lusts, not knowing they are walking in a contemptuous unbelief and are trampling on the blood of Christ that sanctified them. Their fate is worse than physical death, says the author of Hebrews. They will be punished along with the enemies of God, not ushered into the kingdom of God at the end of the age. Hopefully, it's not too late for many to repent and turn from that fate.

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you believe that saving faith is the gift of the personal faith of Jesus Christ and not your own?

Do you believe Jesus own personal faith saves you and keeps you and never your own faith?

Acts 3:16...

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you believe that saving faith is the gift of the personal faith of Jesus Christ and not your own?

Do you believe Jesus own personal faith saves you and keeps you and never your own faith?

Do you believe faith is a spiritual gift and dealt in measure to every man?
Do you believe JESUS begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in every man?
Do you believe you must KEEP yourself saved and if so who is doing the work...you or JESUS?

 

[PHart]

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Yes, he will perform it to the day of Jesus Christ if we keep believing in him to do that. He won't let you down that's why you can keep believing in him with confidence.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Acts 3:16...

Acts 3:11-16

[SUP]11 [/SUP]While he was clinging to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them at the so-called portico of Solomon, full of amazement. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, “Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk? [SUP]13 [/SUP]The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, [SUP]15 [/SUP]but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

This is the proper context of the single verse.

 

[PHart]

What you've just described is faith that has actually saved an individual which results in perseverance in the faith and, has already, in God's economy, received glorification not yet realized.

PHart will have none of that.

I will have all of it, except the part about persevering in the faith. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. It's not automatic. That's why the Bible exhorts us to keep believing.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Do you believe faith is a spiritual gift and dealt in measure to every man?
Do you believe JESUS begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in every man?
Do you believe you must KEEP yourself saved and if so who is doing the work...you or JESUS?

Is saving faith Jesus' faith or yours?

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes, I've met many untested and unchallenged 'veterans' in the faith. And I also know of many veteran believers who think they are still believers while they willingly watch 'Game of Thrones' and other obscene media and indulge other worldly lusts, not knowing they are walking in a contemptuous unbelief and are trampling on the blood of Christ that sanctified them. Their fate is worse than physical death, says the author of Hebrews. They will be punished along with the enemies of God, not ushered into the kingdom of God at the end of the age. Hopefully, it's not too late for many to repent and turn from that fate.

Here let me actually help you and for once in your life be open to learning and instruction....this word so alludes you in your study and stance....if you would start applying this word it will really help you see the truth and open your eyes to the reality of what is said in the bible...

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[dcontroversal]

Is saving faith Jesus' faith or yours?

What makes you think I have to be one or the other.....?

and my three questions were and are based upon factual scriptural references......

God has dealt to every man a measure of faith.

Jesus is the beginner, finisher of our faith and will COMPLETE it until when exactly?

Based upon the above two.....the question begs to be answered....who keeps you saved....YOU or JESUS.....?

Simple question and answer which will reveal volumes about what you espouse....