Sabbath

[trofimus]

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He is equating "their" Sabbath with God's. Jesus was clear that the Mainstream Preachers of His time were "Transgressing the Commandments of God by their doctrines and traditions". We know they had created their own version of the Sabbath which included not being able to help a brother in need, or take a walk and eat a blackberry. That was their Sabbath, not Gods.

This preacher you trust forgot to include this very important fact. And as is the custom of Mainstream Preachers he only uses the scripture that can be used to support his own doctrines.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

So what is the Doctrines and Traditions of the MANY who come in Christ's Name that make up Mainstream Christianity?

Do they preach to follow God's instruction that Jesus clearly followed, including the Sabbath created by Him and for Him, that He taught was made for man? That we should "Walk even as He walked" . as the Scriptures teach?

Or do the "MANY" which come in His name preach we should reject God's Sabbath, like the Pharisees did, and create their own Sabbath, as the Pharisees did.

Why don't he include the whole message from Isaiah instead of just that part which can be used to support their rejection of God's Sabbaths.

Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.


15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

What is the difference between this scripture and Matt. 7:22?


16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

So are you preaching the Sabbath God/Jesus created for man is evil?

17 Learn to do well;(according to who, God or man) seek judgment,(Whose', God or man?) relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Willing and obedient to what? The Commandments of God, or the traditions and doctrines of man?
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Refuse and rebel against what? God's Word, or the traditions and doctrines of man?

Ez. 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

As opposed to the god's of the land which have Venerable Day of the Sun, and Venus and her laying of eggs, and the Winter Solstice celebrated by pagans in ancient days.


13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

The Preachers words you posted didn't use these scripture, why, aren't they relevant?

Ez. 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.


24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.

So the preachers you posted. Does it look like they were interested in Christ's teaching, or were they part of the "MANY" who Jesus warned us of.

How does one or two sentences of Isaiah, taken out of context, make the rest of the Bible null and void?

I mean to try and make a case that the Old Testament taught the rejection of God's Commandments, including the Sabbath, is a pretty good stretch given what is actually written.

Was Peter born into a religion that Transgressed the Commandments of God by man made traditions? Was Jesus? Were you and I? The truth shall set you free.

I would be glad if you could make simple posts as I do.

Say just one point.

 

[comingfrom]

Ok, so keep this:

Thank you, Trofimus, I will.

And I pray it doesn't put your hard nose out of joint.

"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
(Acts 15:28-29)

This is a fine summation of God's law.
And we expect no less from the scriptures.

And look at your offerings, if you don't know what strangled animals are yet.
These beasts you offer us, do you offer them to Lord?
Do you run them by Him, to know if He approves of your preach, which you do for Him?

Know that all I offer up, I have taken it to Him first.
I will not offer a beast He does not approve.

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
(Col 2:16-17)

You got to be a righteous keeper of the law to not let anyone judge you in it.

If you know next to nothing about it,
it isn't just the law that condemns you.
But God will send His saints to judge you too.

"You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."
(Gal 4:10-11)

The law commands us not to observe times.
St Paul is a teacher of the law also.

A lot of people interpret carnally, and thinking sabbaths are a day of the week, and appoint calendar days for things like the passover, which God commands we do in the field.

Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Leviticus 19:26

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
(Rom 14:5)

When you do look into the law, then you can start to understand it,
and what the apostles are talking about.

But if you use the apostles words as reasons to forsake the law,
how will you ever come to know God's word?

And to you I ask the same question as I asked Magenta.
Give witness to how you get to stand before Jesus.
If you are not going to teach the law which leads to Christ,
at least tell us how you come to Him.

Then I can try it, and if He comes, and if He approves of your method, however you summon Him,
then I will even endorse you.

Till then, I will continue to have good success with God's word,
and see no reason to come off it.
Paul

 

[trofimus]

Thank you, Trofimus, I will.

And I pray it doesn't put your hard nose out of joint.

No idea what this means.. something with marihuana? ;-)

This is a fine summation of God's law.

Actually, it was not a summary (love God and neighbour is a summary of the Law), but it was saying that Christians of non-Jewish origin do not have to obey the Law with all its commands and holidays etc, just these things will be good.

And look at your offerings, if you don't know what strangled animals are yet.
These beasts you offer us, do you offer them to Lord?
Do you run them by Him, to know if He approves of your preach, which you do for Him?

Know that all I offer up, I have taken it to Him first.
I will not offer a beast He does not approve.

I have no idea what you are saying. What beasts? I do not offer you anything.

A lot of people interpret carnally, and thinking sabbaths are a day of the week, and appoint calendar days for things like the passover, which God commands we do in the field.

Actually, in Christian churches almost noone. There are few people doing it and trying to be under such things like some in this thread, but they are mostly SDA or inclining too much to Jewish shadows.

 

[Studyman]

I would be glad if you could make simple posts as I do.

Say just one point.

I know what you mean. But I have learned to be thorough for those who might be interested in my post. Some people like a good study. I could build my doctrine around one or two scriptures that sound good to me. It would be much easier. I could just erase what Jesus said about living by EVERY WORD of God. That would make the posts shorter.

But in the long run I guess I would rather you be upset with my long posts, than God be upset because I didn't give a complete answer when I knew the answer.

I'll try and make an exception in your case next time

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Trofi.

No idea what this means.. something with marihuana? ;-)

LOL, no.

When your nose is out of joint it means you are upset about something.
And a hard nosed person is equivalent to being stiffnecked.

I was saying, I hope my keeping the commandments doesn't upset you.

Actually, it was not a summary (love God and neighbour is a summary of the Law), but it was saying that Christians of non-Jewish origin do not have to obey the Law with all its commands and holidays etc, just these things will be good.

If they don't love God and their neighbour, they won't do the other things God commands either.

I have no idea what you are saying. What beasts? I do not offer you anything.

God commands us to bring our bullocks to Him.
But you bring them here to offer them up to men.

If you can bring them before men, why can't you bring them to God?

Actually, in Christian churches almost noone. There are few people doing it and trying to be under such things like some in this thread, but they are mostly SDA or inclining too much to Jewish shadows.

They definitely are not doing it. You are right there.
But that doesn't stop them thinking it.
And we know they think this, because we see them saying, "nyah nyah, your salvation hangs on a day of the week"
to Jesus' law teachers.

They don't keep the sabbaths as God says to,
they don't honour the sabbaths as God says to,
they suppose they know more than them that do keep the sabbaths,
and they expose their total ignorance of the law when they accuse the sabbath keepers.

And that's immediately after several people gave sound teachings.

Can you see now how the fruit of the tree of knowledge of what is right and what is wrong prevents them?

Paul

 

[trofimus]

They don't keep the sabbaths as God says to,
they don't honour the sabbaths as God says to,
they suppose they know more than them that do keep the sabbaths,
and they expose their total ignorance of the law when they accuse the sabbath keepers.

And that's immediately after several people gave sound teachings.

Can you see now how the fruit of the tree of knowledge of what is right and what is wrong prevents them?

Paul

God said to keep the sabbath before Christ.

God does not say to keep the sabbath after Christ.

This is what the New Testament says.
This is what the very first Church was believing as I posted some of the works from the 1st-2nd century.

 

[comingfrom]

Cheers Trofi.

God said to keep the sabbath before Christ.

That's right.
Don't keep sabbath before any other god.

God does not say to keep the sabbath after Christ.

After sabbath I do scripture.
And I look up all the things Jesus told me while He was feeding me.

It makes me find and learn new things in God's word.

This is what the New Testament says.

Do you suppose I do not know what the New Testament says?

Have you not notice me quoting scripture, and teaching even the law of scripture?

This is what the very first Church was believing as I posted some of the works from the 1st-2nd century.

Are you talking about a previous post?
Or Acts 11:26?

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.
And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:26

Ah, it just dawned on me, there is a third option.
Maybe you think the New Testamant says your sabbath sayings above?

If that is the case, I still need chapter and verse,
because they aren't New Testament sayings.
At lease, nothing like you say it.

I have to keep Jesus' sayings exactly like He says them,
that's just the way He brought me up.

Notice how I quote verses.
I'm not allowed to chop and jumble His words up, or mingle my words in,
so that you can no longer distinguish between what God and man are saying,
as some do.

I'm not free to follow my faith and do as I please,
and I wouldn't have it any other way

Praise Jesus
Paul

 

[trofimus]

Cheers Trofi.

That's right.
Don't keep sabbath before any other god.


After sabbath I do scripture.
And I look up all the things Jesus told me while He was feeding me.

It makes me find and learn new things in God's word.

Do you suppose I do not know what the New Testament says?

Have you not notice me quoting scripture, and teaching even the law of scripture?

Are you talking about a previous post?
Or Acts 11:26?

[FONT=&]And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.
And the disciples were called Christians[/FONT] first in Antioch.
Acts 11:26

Ah, it just dawned on me, there is a third option.
Maybe you think the New Testamant says your sabbath sayings above?

If that is the case, I still need chapter and verse,
because they aren't New Testament sayings.
At lease, nothing like you say it.

I have to keep Jesus' sayings exactly like He says them,
that's just the way He brought me up.

Notice how I quote verses.
I'm not allowed to chop and jumble His words up, or mingle my words in,
so that you can no longer distinguish between what God and man are saying,
as some do.

I'm not free to follow my faith and do as I please,
and I wouldn't have it any other way

Praise Jesus
Paul

I have no idea how such a simple post of mine could be so misunderstood, so I will try again:

1.
God said to keep the sabbath before Christ.
God does not say to keep the sabbath after Christ.
(That means it changed with the new covenant)

2.
This is what the New Testament says.
This is what the very first Church was believing as I posted some of the works from the 1st-2nd century.
(That it changed with the new covenant is testified both by the New Testament and the early church like Ignatios, Diognetus, Barnabas I quoted on some previous page)

 

[LoveGodForever]

I have no idea how such a simple post of mine could be so misunderstood, so I will try again:

1.
God said to keep the sabbath before Christ.
God does not say to keep the sabbath after Christ.
(That means it changed with the new covenant)

2.
This is what the New Testament says.
This is what the very first Church was believing as I posted some of the works from the 1st-2nd century.
(That it changed with the new covenant is testified both by the New Testament and the early church like Ignatios, Diognetus, Barnabas I quoted on some previous page)

Friend why do you think that is an argument for not keeping God' s 4th commandment? All through the Old and New Testament God's 4th commandment is spoken about and understood by God's people that it is the 4th commandment of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11).

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). '

In the New Covenant; God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Romans 13:10). This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4) Obedience to God’s Law is the fruit of faith that works by love and fulfills God's Law in us who walk by faith and not by sight and walking in God's Spirit one does not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Faith in God's Word is the power of God unto salvation. Salvation is by faith alone, it is the great gift of God to those who walk in the Spirit who have faith in the Word of creation to live a life of Godliness and Holiness. If the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed...... Salvation is from sin not in sin... If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12). Please friend do not take my word for it please pray and ask God and check the scriptures provided here to see if it is true or not for yourself....

Now let's have a look at what Jesus and the Apostles taught about the 4th commandment in the New Testament only.....

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfills God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Now I have shared scripture with you about God's Law (10 commandments) which God's Sabbath is one of the ten and which the Word of God says is forever. I have shared scripture only from the NT in relation to what Jesus and the Apostles taught about God's 4th commandment.

Now please tell me from your inferred question with scripture where does it say in the New Testament that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If you cannot show me said scripture. Who should we believe God or man? Jesus says that if we follow the traditions and teachings of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9). Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandment of God.

Who should we follow God or man? God's sheep hear His voice because he is the true Shepard.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...

 

[trofimus]

Friend why do you think that is an argument for not keeping God' s 4th commandment?

When the New Testament says it is not to be observed anymore, it is an argument for not keeping the Old Testament's 4th commandment.

Because the New Testament is inspired.

 

[comingfrom]

I have no idea how such a simple post of mine could be so misunderstood,

I'll tell you why.

Because you included the statement "This is what the New Testament says."
But there was no text from the New Testament with it.
That statement had text before it, and text after it,
but not text from the New Testament.
And I was trying work out which bit the New Testament says.
That's why.

I have a pretty efficient search engine, and it was giving me negative results.
Besides, I would remember if the New Testament says those things.

so I will try again:

If you can't be bothered to copy and paste the verses,
give the book chapter and verse, so your readers can look it up.

But don't embarrass yourself by sending us to some text of only vague likeness to what you are saying.

1.
God said to keep the sabbath before Christ.
God does not say to keep the sabbath after Christ.
(That means it changed with the new covenant)

Still no verse reference.

The scripture probably says something you think says that.
Maybe Matt 12:1, or Luke 6:9
But really, these aren't even close to saying what you are saying.

2.
This is what the New Testament says.
This is what the very first Church was believing as I posted some of the works from the 1st-2nd century.
(That it changed with the new covenant is testified both by the New Testament and the early church like Ignatios, Diognetus, Barnabas I quoted on some previous page)

How hard is it to keep Jesus sayings as He said them?

The hardest thing about it for me was realizing that is what needed to be done.
Vague derivatives are not acceptable with Jesus.
I already explained to you in my last post.

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:51

Can you see what the New Testament says when I show you?
Have I changed any letter or word?
Can you work out the book and chapter so you can look it up to see the context?
Can you tell they are Jesus words from the way I present them?
And how hard is that to do?

Select the verse, press control C, put your cursor in your post edit window, press control V.
Pretty it up, add colour,
Make curtains of purple blue and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work:
with cherubims shall it be made.

Paul

 

[trofimus]

I'll tell you why.

Because you included the statement "This is what the New Testament says."
But there was no text from the New Testament with it.

OK, I thought these verses are so well-known and repeated in this thread many times so there is no need to post them again.

But no problem, there they are:

1.
​"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything [from the Law] beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
(Acts 15:28-29)

- Sabbath was not given to non-Jewish Christians

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2.
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
(Col 2:16-17)

- the sabbath (together with other holidays) was only a shadow of the reality in Christ.

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3.
"You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you."
(Gal 4:10-11)

- observing special days, months, seasons, years is an indication that something is wrong with the Christian faith

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4.
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
(Rom 14:5)

- clearly the Sabbath is not required anymore

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5.
And the evidence from silence - there is no command to keep the Sabbath in the New Testament.
One would expect that if it was important, it would need to be repeated frequently to new non-Jewish Christians.
Paul mentions small things like the hair length, big things like adultery... but Sabbath? Silence.

 

[phil36]

Not only does the NT agree that we are not obligated to the Sabbath as in the law, but early Christians affirm the NT coming together on the Lords day (Sunday).

Didache.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

 

[trofimus]

Not only does the NT agree that we are not obligated to the Sabbath as in the law, but early Christians affirm the NT coming together on the Lords day (Sunday).

Didache.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

And before they will try to say that the "Lord's Day" in Christian writings means Sabbath, let us prove it means the day of resurrection:

"no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up..."
Ignatios 9:1

"Wherefore we also celebrate with gladness the eighth day in which Jesus also rose from the dead, and was made manifest, and ascended into Heaven."
Barnabas 15:9

 

[Hizikyah]

And before they will try to say that the "Lord's Day" in Christian writings means Sabbath, let us prove it means the day of resurrection:

"no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up..."
Ignatios 9:1

"Wherefore we also celebrate with gladness the eighth day in which Jesus also rose from the dead, and was made manifest, and ascended into Heaven."
Barnabas 15:9

What is Ignatios 9:1 & Barnabas 15:9 is your bible boken? That is not Scripture.

 

[Hizikyah]

Not only does the NT agree that we are not obligated to the Sabbath as in the law, but early Christians affirm the NT coming together on the Lords day (Sunday).

Didache.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

is your bible boken? That is not Scripture.

also they broke bread evey day.

I see you teach man made traditions tho...



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 2:46[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]English Standard Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New American Standard Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New Living Translation[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord's Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity--[/FONT]

 

[trofimus]

What is Ignatios 9:1 & Barnabas 15:9 is your bible boken? That is not Scripture.

These are the written works of the early church. They are historically important, they shed a light on what the early church believed.

Why should be my Bible broken? Is your Bible broken when you are reading the CC?

 

[phil36]

is your bible boken? That is not Scripture.

Your right Hizikyah , the Didache is not scripture, but it is a record of what our brothers and sisters believed in the very early church, from the NT to present times. Isn't it great that they met every day in the early church in Jerusalem. And had that one special day..the Lords day, as attested in the NT and very early writings by our brothers and sisters.

 

[Hizikyah]

Your right Hizikyah , the Didache is not scripture, but it is a record of what our brothers and sisters believed in the very early church, from the NT to present times. Isn't it great that they met every day in the early church in Jerusalem. And had that one special day..the Lords day, as attested in the NT and very early writings by our brothers and sisters.

This IS EXACTLY what the pharisees do, pharisees set precedents and following generatiosns follow them.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

I look to the word of Yah for truth not traditions of man.
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[phil36]

This IS EXACTLY what the pharisees do, pharisees set precedents and following generatiosns follow them.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

I look to the word of Yah for truth not traditions of man.

Meeting on the Lords day is biblical my friend its in the NT and our early brothers and sisters attest to it.. Truth is Truth and fact is fact.

on the other hand --

Putting people under law is what the pharisees liked to do...!!!