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I believe that ALL things God commands and teaches work together for our benefit ....
to make the man/woman of God perfect. Praise the Lord !
 

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I believe that ALL things God commands and teaches work together for our benefit ....
to make the man/woman of God perfect. Praise the Lord !
As you are not going to build an ark, you should not return to the Old Covenant, sabbath, clean/unclean animals etc.

Some of God's commands are given for specific period of time.
 
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If one does not understand teh whats and the whys, it is always good to hear the Father and obey as best we are given to do.
 

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As you are not going to build an ark, you should not return to the Old Covenant, sabbath, clean/unclean animals etc.

Some of God's commands are given for specific period of time.
Our ark is the Messiah so to speak our Saviour..

Noah and his family were saved in an Ark...


the Ark of the Covenant.. until Christ came to go in to the Sanctuary.. the Holies Of Holy..

The Lord’s Testament is our New Covenant with GOD through Faith we are saved unto good works ordained by GOD spoken by His Son Yahshua... we are to believe.. the Faith of Abraham.. no one can feign Loving GOD.. when the burden becomes a delight the Law Of GOD be in your heart and on your mind through Faith... the seal is the Holy Spirit.. the New heart of flesh.. no longer stone.. all by the Grace of GOD.
 

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Our ark is the Messiah so to speak our Saviour..

Noah and his family were saved in an Ark...


the Ark of the Covenant.. until Christ came to go in to the Sanctuary.. the Holies Of Holy..

The Lord’s Testament is our New Covenant with GOD through Faith we are saved unto good works ordained by GOD spoken by His Son Yahshua... we are to believe.. the Faith of Abraham.. no one can feign Loving GOD.. when the burden becomes a delight the Law Of GOD be in your heart and on your mind through Faith... the seal is the Holy Spirit.. the New heart of flesh.. no longer stone.. all by the Grace of GOD.
Good. And sabbath is no longer a day observation.
 

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As you are not going to build an ark, you should not return to the Old Covenant, sabbath, clean/unclean animals etc.

Some of God's commands are given for specific period of time.
Seems you disagree with scripture 2Tim 3v16.
 

trofimus

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So in your understanding there is now no sabbath day/saturday in the week ?
Now its a peace from works in Christ. Day in the week is irrelevant. It does not matter now.
 

trofimus

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Seems you disagree with scripture 2Tim 3v16.
No. Even though the command to build and ark or to circumcise was inspired, it is not for us to do. Its for us to learn from that.
 

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Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments, and we are told by YHWH to “remember” it, yet it seems to be the most forgotten Commandment:

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Strength. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”

Exodus 31:13-17, “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign* between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death. ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign* forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:28-29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."


Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 

trofimus

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Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments, and we are told by YHWH to “remember” it, yet it seems to be the most forgotten Commandment:

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Strength. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”

Exodus 31:13-17, “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign* between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death. ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign* forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:28-29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."


Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Quote from existing translations. Or if you want to make your own, post also the Greek text under it.
 

loveme1

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Good. And sabbath is no longer a day observation.
Friend if you truly believe that then nothing we say can change it.. you either Believe GOD who declares those that Love Him Keep His Commandments and the Messiah who affirmed obedience but also said what was the Greatest and second like it Commandment.. just like GOD had said.. showing mercy to thousands that love me and Keep my Commandments.

So for those who know different than we here who Keep and teach even the least as instructed by the Lord that Loving GOD is Keepinging even the least then nothing other can be said than the above..

if it is not the base of Faith that worketh by Love through Christ..... then I know not what is.

Only GOD Himself can say Sabbath is no longer part of Loving Him.. and why would the Messiah say He is Lord of Sabbath.. and show us Truth about it.. I know not.

So until Heavenly Father or Our Lord declare otherwise I will believe.
 
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Thank you, Trofi,

Would you mind if I killed this beast you just offered up?
I mean, if I kill it in the camp, and before the congregation.

As you are not going to build an ark, you should not return to the Old Covenant, sabbath, clean/unclean animals etc.

Some of God's commands are given for specific period of time.
God's word is eternal.
It shall remain even after heaven and earth have passed away.

The reason it seems a bit cryptic to us is because it must apply to all men in all cultures in all of time.
Whether he lived before Jesus' time, or whether he live 200,000 years in the future from now,
a man can pick up the Bible and begin applying himself to God's law.

Otherwise, the Lord might have been more specific in naming the bulls and goats you have in your herd and flocks.
But Jesus shows us how to make the ark of the covenant, when we are in God's mount.
And between His showing and the description of the pattern shown to Moses that we have in scripture
so we make it.

If we don't, our candlestick is removed out of it's place.
Paul

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Exodus 25:40
 

trofimus

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Friend if you truly believe that then nothing we say can change it.. you either Believe GOD who declares those that Love Him Keep His Commandments and the Messiah who affirmed obedience but also said what was the Greatest and second like it Commandment.. just like GOD had said.. showing mercy to thousands that love me and Keep my Commandments.

So for those who know different than we here who Keep and teach even the least as instructed by the Lord that Loving GOD is Keepinging even the least then nothing other can be said than the above..

if it is not the base of Faith that worketh by Love through Christ..... then I know not what is.

Only GOD Himself can say Sabbath is no longer part of Loving Him.. and why would the Messiah say He is Lord of Sabbath.. and show us Truth about it.. I know not.

So until Heavenly Father or Our Lord declare otherwise I will believe.
The New Testament is clear on this.

1. The Law was till Christ.
2. A day observation is not required anymore.
3. We entered the rest of Christ.

I do not know what other "declaration" you are waiting for...
 

trofimus

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Thank you, Trofi,

Would you mind if I killed this beast you just offered up?
I mean, if I kill it in the camp, and before the congregation.

God's word is eternal.
It shall remain even after heaven and earth have passed away.

The reason it seems a bit cryptic to us is because it must apply to all men in all cultures in all of time.
Whether he lived before Jesus' time, or whether he live 200,000 years in the future from now,
a man can pick up the Bible and begin applying himself to God's law.

Otherwise, the Lord might have been more specific in naming the bulls and goats you have in your herd and flocks.
But Jesus shows us how to make the ark of the covenant, when we are in God's mount.
And between His showing and the description of the pattern shown to Moses that we have in scripture
so we make it.

If we don't, our candlestick is removed out of it's place.
Paul

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Exodus 25:40
Law was a guardian till Christ came. When Christ came, we are no longer under the guardian.

I am not sure how it can be said more clearly.
 
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A lot of people are posting sticks of shittim wood in this thread.

I don't mean any disrespect, and I know you all mean well, but am trying to show you something here.
Look at the statements offered up.
They are pretty shittim really, if you compare the sayings to what the Lord actually says. (Do any of you do that?)
If you examine them honestly.

But the Lord realizes this.
It is all we have when we first come to Him.
To us it is our gold, but to Him it is shittim wood.

So we collect up all our shittim wood, bring it to Him, when we stand in His mount.
You do go stand in His mount, I hope.
Oh, that's right, I nearly forgot, you don't do sabbaths.
Hmmm, that's a problem.
How you going to stand in His mount?
How you going to get His guidance to do the thing He commands?

In the mount Jesus shows us.
And we make the sabbath to go to His mount.

And I'll give my personal testimony here.
I didn't know what He was doing with me at His comings,
but after sabbath I returned to the scripture and invariably found explanation
for what just happened in my encounter with the Lord.
An explanation from His point of view.
And I would also see things written there that prepared me and helped me in my next encounter.
And over many encounters, and returning to scripture, and returning to the Lord's mount, I gradually built my ark.
And a show table, and the candlestick, and did light the lamps thereon.

It was a work over time, a work of beaten gold.
You dig for the gold in the scriptures, and Jesus shows you how to put it together when you are with Him, in the sabbath day.
He can't show you how if you don't bring gold.

But first we bring shittim wood.
So we make it from that, and then we overlay it with gold.

It's not a physical thing.
It has to made in heaven.
You have to make it holy.

Paul

Hollow with boards shalt thou make it:
as it was shewed thee in the mount, so shall they make it.

Exodus 27:8
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


Exodus 31:13-17, “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign* between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death. ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign* forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”
Quote from existing translations. Or if you want to make your own, post also the Greek text under it.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The word *sign is word #H226 – [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אוֹת [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Hebrew Dictionary: meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

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Dear Trofi

Law was a guardian till Christ came. When Christ came, we are no longer under the guardian.

I am not sure how it can be said more clearly.
It leaves a lot unexplained.

Like, why are you Christians carrying around a God's law,
and yet are convinced, and are teaching, not to do it.
Is He your God, or not?

And, how do you get Jesus to come?

I love the law.
It led me to Jesus.
I shall never forsake the Father's words.
I shall teach the commandments all my days,
for it is my prayer that others be led to Christ Jesus also.
Paul

If His children forsake My law, and walk not in My judgments;
If they break My statutes, and keep not My commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless My lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of My lips.
Psalm 89:30-34
 

trofimus

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Dear Trofi

It leaves a lot unexplained.

Like, why are you Christians carrying around a God's law,
and yet are convinced, and are teaching, not to do it.
Is He your God, or not?

And, how do you get Jesus to come?

I love the law.
It led me to Jesus.
I shall never forsake the Father's words.
I shall teach the commandments all my days,
for it is my prayer that others be led to Christ Jesus also.
Paul

If His children forsake My law, and walk not in My judgments;
If they break My statutes, and keep not My commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless My lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of My lips.
Psalm 89:30-34
"You Christians"? You do not consider yourself to be a Christian?

The Law was given to Israel for a specific time period - till Christ. When Christ came, we are not under the Law anymore.
Thats why a day observation does not matter anymore, clean/unclean animals do not matter anymore etc.

Yes, Christ is my God. And yours?