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Originally Posted by valiant
if the sons of the Elohim were angels we would not expect them to be mentioned together. One used one description, the other another.
But men are never in the OT called 'sons of the elohim'.
Who else would approach God but an angelic being? It makes more sense than your arguments.
"Son" is supplied in verse 23 for all the following verses. Notice that it begins in the Greek with
υἱὸς Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἡλί, 24τοῦ Ματθάτ, τοῦ Λευΐ, τοῦ Μελχί, τοῦ Ἰαννά, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, 25τοῦ Ματταθίου, τοῦ Ἀμώς, τοῦ Ναούμ, τοῦ Ἐσλί, τοῦ Ναγγαί, 26τοῦ Μαάθ, τοῦ Ματταθίου, τοῦ Σεμεΐ, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἰούδα, 27τοῦ Ἰωανάν, τοῦ Ῥησά, τοῦ Ζοροβάβελ, τοῦ Σαλαθιήλ, τοῦ Νηρί, 28τοῦ Μελχί, τοῦ Ἀδδί, τοῦ Κωσάμ, τοῦ Ἐλμωδάμ, τοῦ Ἤρ, 29τοῦ Ἰωσή, τοῦ Ἐλιέζερ, τοῦ Ἰωρείμ, τοῦ Ματθάτ, τοῦ Λευΐ, 30τοῦ Συμεών, τοῦ Ἰούδα, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἰωνάν, τοῦ Ἐλιακείμ, 31τοῦ Μελεᾶ, τοῦ Μαϊνάν, τοῦ Ματταθά, τοῦ Ναθάν, τοῦ Δαυίδ, 32τοῦ Ἰεσσαί, τοῦ Ὠβήδ, τοῦ Βόοζ, τοῦ Σαλμών, τοῦ Ναασσών, 33τοῦ Ἀμιναδάβ, τοῦ Ἀράμ, τοῦ Ἑσρώμ, τοῦ Φάρες, τοῦ Ἰούδα, 34τοῦ Ἰακώβ, τοῦ Ἰσαάκ, τοῦ Ἀβραάμ, τοῦ Θάρα, τοῦ Ναχώρ, 35τοῦ Σερούχ, τοῦ Ῥαγαῦ, τοῦ Φάλεγ, τοῦ Ἑβέρ, τοῦ Σαλά, 36τοῦ Καϊνάν, τοῦ Ἀρφαξάδ, τοῦ Σήμ, τοῦ Νῶε, τοῦ Λάμεχ, 37τοῦ Μαθουσάλα, τοῦ Ἐνώχ, τοῦ Ἰαρέδ, τοῦ Μαλελεήλ, τοῦ Καϊνάν, 38τοῦ Ἐνώς, τοῦ Σήθ, τοῦ Ἀδάμ, τοῦ θεοῦ.
"Son" is thus assumed in every genealogical connection although it is only supplied at the beginning of verse 23, and that is the only place it appears in this entire pericope so that what you have is "son of Joseph, of Eli, 24 of Matthat, of Levi, of Melchi, of Jannai, of Joseph, 25 of Mattathias, of Amos, of Nahum, of Hesli, of Naggai, and so on until verse 38of Enosh, of Seth, of Adam, of God.
υἱὸς Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἡλί, 24τοῦ Ματθάτ, τοῦ Λευΐ, τοῦ Μελχί, τοῦ Ἰαννά, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, 25τοῦ Ματταθίου, τοῦ Ἀμώς, τοῦ Ναούμ, τοῦ Ἐσλί, τοῦ Ναγγαί, 26τοῦ Μαάθ, τοῦ Ματταθίου, τοῦ Σεμεΐ, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἰούδα, 27τοῦ Ἰωανάν, τοῦ Ῥησά, τοῦ Ζοροβάβελ, τοῦ Σαλαθιήλ, τοῦ Νηρί, 28τοῦ Μελχί, τοῦ Ἀδδί, τοῦ Κωσάμ, τοῦ Ἐλμωδάμ, τοῦ Ἤρ, 29τοῦ Ἰωσή, τοῦ Ἐλιέζερ, τοῦ Ἰωρείμ, τοῦ Ματθάτ, τοῦ Λευΐ, 30τοῦ Συμεών, τοῦ Ἰούδα, τοῦ Ἰωσήφ, τοῦ Ἰωνάν, τοῦ Ἐλιακείμ, 31τοῦ Μελεᾶ, τοῦ Μαϊνάν, τοῦ Ματταθά, τοῦ Ναθάν, τοῦ Δαυίδ, 32τοῦ Ἰεσσαί, τοῦ Ὠβήδ, τοῦ Βόοζ, τοῦ Σαλμών, τοῦ Ναασσών, 33τοῦ Ἀμιναδάβ, τοῦ Ἀράμ, τοῦ Ἑσρώμ, τοῦ Φάρες, τοῦ Ἰούδα, 34τοῦ Ἰακώβ, τοῦ Ἰσαάκ, τοῦ Ἀβραάμ, τοῦ Θάρα, τοῦ Ναχώρ, 35τοῦ Σερούχ, τοῦ Ῥαγαῦ, τοῦ Φάλεγ, τοῦ Ἑβέρ, τοῦ Σαλά, 36τοῦ Καϊνάν, τοῦ Ἀρφαξάδ, τοῦ Σήμ, τοῦ Νῶε, τοῦ Λάμεχ, 37τοῦ Μαθουσάλα, τοῦ Ἐνώχ, τοῦ Ἰαρέδ, τοῦ Μαλελεήλ, τοῦ Καϊνάν, 38τοῦ Ἐνώς, τοῦ Σήθ, τοῦ Ἀδάμ, τοῦ θεοῦ.
"Son" is thus assumed in every genealogical connection although it is only supplied at the beginning of verse 23, and that is the only place it appears in this entire pericope so that what you have is "son of Joseph, of Eli, 24 of Matthat, of Levi, of Melchi, of Jannai, of Joseph, 25 of Mattathias, of Amos, of Nahum, of Hesli, of Naggai, and so on until verse 38of Enosh, of Seth, of Adam, of God.
Originally Posted by valiant
A son of the Elohim is not the same as a son of theos. The elohim are the unseen world, eg 1 Samuel 28.13. The NT opens up a whole new ball game.
A son of the Elohim is not the same as a son of theos. The elohim are the unseen world, eg 1 Samuel 28.13. The NT opens up a whole new ball game.
In OT the humans are described as 'the children of YHWH your God' (Deut 14.1) a very different description.
I suggest the nonsense is yours.
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But in Genesis it is not "assumed", it is how they are named. "The son of God" is not a title for Adam. It is just a genealogical construction as you said.
But for angels, they are called "the sons of God" and it does not mean any genealogical construction. It means their nature that is not "from dust" like we are.
But for angels, they are called "the sons of God" and it does not mean any genealogical construction. It means their nature that is not "from dust" like we are.