2 Thes 2:3 - the falling away/apostasy/rebellion

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Alertandawake

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In reference to the apostasy/rebellion as mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3, what are peoples thoughts in this? Looking at everything today, could it be a combination of elements? I have been thinking on this, and one element that comes to mind and in my opinion stands out from eveything else we are seeing in the world, and that is this whole concept of same sex marriage acceptance and celebration, and this whole concept of gender choosing nonsense. As the more I thnk on this, this is one big element that rebels against the natural order.

On top of this we see more and more preachers who have the external appearances of a nice smiling face, but inside they are decieving people on such a wide scale, promoting this.

What are other peoples thoughts on this?

Another element that also has occured to me, is what is being done in labs, and that is the creation of hybrid lifeforms, and that too when one thinks about it, goes against the natural order.
 

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What are other peoples thoughts on this?
There is no question that apostasy is on the increase in Christendom, Radical Islam is making huge inroads throughout the world, and sin and evil is generally on the increase. The "falling away" mentioned in 2 Thess 2 pertains to what is happening among so-called Christian clergy, so-called Christian seminaries and Bible schools, and so-called Christian churches. They are generally departing from Bible truth and inventing their own Christianity. Then we have the Roman Catholic Church, trying to get all Christians under its umbrella, and succeeding to some degree. The World Council of Churches is thoroughly apostate.
 

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There is just so much going on today. And yes the RCC certainly has a very deceptive nature. We see that happening today. But the level of apostasy today is very great indeed.
 
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There is no question that apostasy is on the increase in Christendom, Radical Islam is making huge inroads throughout the world, and sin and evil is generally on the increase. The "falling away" mentioned in 2 Thess 2 pertains to what is happening among so-called Christian clergy, so-called Christian seminaries and Bible schools, and so-called Christian churches. They are generally departing from Bible truth and inventing their own Christianity. Then we have the Roman Catholic Church, trying to get all Christians under its umbrella, and succeeding to some degree. The World Council of Churches is thoroughly apostate.
hi there big brother Nehemiah. i believe all these signs u listed and other things are telling us that Jesus is coming soon. remember He said will He find faith when He returns!

its so hard to find a good church in many places. in the western european countries its probably impossible, like germany and france. probably all woman preachers there
 

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Personally, I suspect that enlightenment ideas and the theory of evolution are key pieces of the 'great falling away'. No other movements have had a comparable degree of effect upon the church as a whole, and on its influence in the world.

That said, I also believe that there are forces and movements that continue to undermine the Church. However, since others disagree virulently with me on some of these issues, I see no need to identify them here.
 
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Hey mate......my view is as follows.....the beast (man of sin being revealed) is tied to the apo-hystamie (apostasy) of humanity.....what I have seen from a study of history is the fact that that the enemy has been at work from day one conditioning humanity to the point where they will receive the beast when he comes on the scene....Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome have all had Kings, Pharaohs, Emperors, Caesars worshipped as God.....and in each case God hindered the because it was not yet time......this goes to the conditioning of humanity both by deception, lies and deceit which will get them ready to receive a miracle worker who works all signs, lying wonders and deceit through the power of the devil.....

Horus is BEL is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is ALLAH is SATAN <----I believe the false god worshipped as the one god by the beast will be out of ISLAM.....

We know that Zeus was Satan based upon what JESUS said in Revelation to the church at Pergamos...He said I know you dwell where Satan's seat is.....The throne of Zeus was located in Pergamos...

Alexander the Great is the first to take the title the SON of Zeus or Son of GOD.....which Satan wants to mimic......so...historically speaking point one above seems to be taking place....

Yes on your statement abut homosexuality.....it is the final straw, sets forth a reprobate mind and nothing is left but judgment as per Romans........

Yes on your last point.....as it was in the days of Noah....Noah was pure and UPRIGHT in his generations.....a couple points to ponder....

ALL FLESH had corrupted its way upon the earth
UPRIGHT can mean pure in a forensic sense......which bears out when applied next to the ALL flesh statement above

Just some point to ponder....
 

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There is just so much going on today. And yes the RCC certainly has a very deceptive nature. We see that happening today. But the level of apostasy today is very great indeed.
The sad thing is that those who once stood solidly for the truth have compromised their positions. The fundamentalists became neo-evangelical, the neo-evangelical became neo-orthodox and liberal and "emergent", and the liberals became apostates over the past 50 years. As Snoozy said, it is almost impossible to find a sound Bible church which is holding fast to the faith once delivered to the saints. Take The Bible Answer Man as an example. He started off trying to teach Bible truth and has ended up in the Orthodox Church (which has a mixture of truth with a lot of error).
 
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The falling away has to do with the condition of the world in response to the Gospel of Christ.

It is not a condition of the Church although there will be many hypocrites at the end time,but how the world accepts the Bible as the saints preach it.

The Church can never fall away for the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church,and no matter if the hypocrites increase,the Church can never fall away.

The Bible says the world rebels against God.

But the world embraced the Bible while at the same time rebelled against God,for the world accepted the Bible according to an interpretation based on the new age movement,in which all religions were interpreted by them,and became the unified religious system that paved the way to the beast kingdom in Revelation,and caused the people who do not love God to follow the beast.

The falling away is a condition of the world in response to the Gospel that they will not accept the traditional interpretation of it,and Christianity rapidly decreases in impacting the world with the truth.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so He can end this sin business on earth,and bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement who has an interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and avatar.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world,and when they influence the world,they will forbid a man and a woman to marry for population reduction,and command to abstain from meats for they are nature worshippers.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that the world will not endure the truth of the Bible as preached by the saints,but want to hear it according to the unified religious system interpretation,which is according to their own lusts,power through nature.

For the first three and one half years of the seven years period,repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so the saints will remain on earth,and God is giving them a chance to turn to Him.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,which occurs at the end of the three and one half years period,and the man of sin claims to be God in the middle of the seven years period.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full(at the end of the three and one half years), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up(saying things they never heard any man say before).
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(gets his power from Satan): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people(makes war with the saints).
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand(witchcraft); and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The man of sin will promote the new age movement,spiritual evolution through nature,and does not acknowledge any God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his God.He will exalt himself above all that is worshipped or called God,and will exalt himself above all people,and have no desire of women abiding by the law that a man and a woman cannot marry,and also is not interested in having a family,but only interested in being the New Age Christ,and ruling the world.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(seven years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(the beast,man of sin), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated.

The Gentile nations will come together,and say Peace and safety,as they try to establish peace on earth.

The world will operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and a unifed religious system based on the new age movement,and will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion punishable in the international criminal court system,for all are valid for spiritual enlightenment,evolution,and Christianity will rapidly lose its impact in reaching the world with the Gospel of Christ.

The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians,and the Jews will build their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians.

Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God,which after the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God,and repent of their evil ways,but keep trying to solve their problems,and have peace by their own efforts,so God gives them the man of sin,the beast,to rule over them,and deceive all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.

The ten horn kingdom failed at providing peace on earth,and hand their power over to the beast.

The falling away first has occurred,and the transgressors are come to the full,and a king of fierce countenance will deceive them.
 
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Continued,

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Daniel 7 says that Babylon will never have dominion again,but her ways are still on earth,so this is Babylon in spirit,which she represents human religion,and the kingdom of man.A person either belongs to the kingdom of God,or Babylon,the kingdom of man,throughout all history.

War will break out in heaven,and Satan will appear as the man of sin,the beast,and deceive all people who do not love God,and convince the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,evolved,and will share this power with all who follow him.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months(the last three and one half years).
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The beast has power over all the Gentile nations,governments,and all those who do not love God.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(three and one half years).

Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The beast shall make war against the saints,and all who remain at the end of the three and one half years will be gathered unto Christ.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

The beast and the world will attack Israel,and God will come back with all His saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel.

The falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel of Christ,which the time will come,the first three and one half years,that the world will not accept the Bible as it has been taught for thousands of years,but give heed to the new age movement,unified religious system,and Christianity will rapidly decrease in impacting the world with the truth,and at the end of the three and one half years it will be the falling away first,and then the man of sin will claim to the God.
 

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You know, something else that has got me thinking, the iron and clay reference in Dan 2.42-43, it does sound like some kind of hybrid description? Be good to know what other people think on this, but with the technology we see today, this concept of man and machine ( transhumansim and singulairity) have people ever wondered if iron and clay could be a reference to this?

And considering there are brain chip implants, one really has to question where this world is headed.

For a rebellion/apostasy to be on such a big scale, through research and what is happening in the world, the falling away would have to cover alot. Mankind merging with machines sounds like one to me, as brain implants spell out mind control, or remote control zombies to put it another way. Man made teachings, much of what we see today make as much sense as 1+1 = anything but 2, makes no sense.

But many people today won’t accept the straight out facts of what is happening, and it pains me to say this, but many will never accept reality. The reality is, the foundation of the morals of ths world is crumbling, and it is getting worse.

Falling away/apostasy is a defection from the truth, and we are seeing that today in such a massive scale.
 
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In reference to the apostasy/rebellion as mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3, what are peoples thoughts in this? Looking at everything today, could it be a combination of elements? I have been thinking on this, and one element that comes to mind and in my opinion stands out from eveything else we are seeing in the world, and that is this whole concept of same sex marriage acceptance and celebration, and this whole concept of gender choosing nonsense. As the more I thnk on this, this is one big element that rebels against the natural order.

On top of this we see more and more preachers who have the external appearances of a nice smiling face, but inside they are decieving people on such a wide scale, promoting this.

What are other peoples thoughts on this?

Another element that also has occured to me, is what is being done in labs, and that is the creation of hybrid lifeforms, and that too when one thinks about it, goes against the natural order.
Re:what you say about same sex marriage - it could maybe be an indication of being close to, or on the cusp of, the last days, because Jesus said it would be as in the days of Lot. We don't have a whole lot to go on regarding that, other than that homosexuality was so accepted that gangs of men roamed around raping other men.

Its chilling to think that it may repeat, where areas are given over to that kind of obscenity.

As to the hybrid life forms, mymind goes to the puzzling verse in Revelation about men wanting to die and not being able to. It reads almost as if some terrifying form of the fountain of youth will be found. How would it be possible that a man won't die if he hangs himself or jumps off a building, or shoots himself in the head...?

And that last, shooting himself in the head, calls to mind the one with a grievous wound to his head that healed. My overactive imagination imagines him shooting himself in the head on purpose and everyone watching it heal in amazement and him then offering men this "eternal life," which then causes them to later seek death and not be able to die as the verse says.

In fact, that would also tie in with: who can do war with him or oppose him? If you had an army of men who couldn't die, who COULD oppose them?
 

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I too have thought about that reference in Rev 9.6.

Now this is only theoretical as it is beyond my area of understanding, but there is nanobots that can be used to target cancel cells, so what if this nanobots then continously keep on repairing and repairing preventing a person from dying? And on this, what if nanobots can be programmed to hardwire peoples brain?

Also something else, “2045 Initiative” have a look at that, there are 4 stages, and have a look at the description specifically for avatar B and C. Avatar is also another word for image.
 
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Well that would be laughable if they weren't dead serious...(the 2045 initiative). A bit chilling.
 

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One concern is the grace-only folks, or hyper-grace, who tell me the Ten Commandments are no longer to be a guide for living a moral and holy life in Christ.

Until I was in my forties, I cannot remember any denomination that taught against the Ten, yet there are so many who do so right here in the forums.

Examine each of the Ten and you will find they are the wisdom of all time from our Father, the Source of all that is good.

People are calling grace an excuse to be free of responsibilites, not so. Grace has taken away the GUIL>T of our sin, but we are yet sinners until God, Himself, finishes the work He began in each one of us who love Jesus Christ as our SAvior and dKing.

Many teach a gospel of wealth that has never existed from Christ.

Many point the finger at people who are no longer guilty of various specific sins, ignoring that breaking the least of the laws (sin) is breaking all of the law. These folks have made themselves judges and not fellows in relying on the mercy and grace from God in faith,. Faith is the gift from God that brings in grace and mercy. If we do not have faith that God IS and will provide endless mercy and grace, then we are not His children.

Ther are those who teach there is a rapture before the beginning of the greatest tribulation ever, yet ÇDaniel teaches plainly there will be people of understanding, albeit few, who will help others to the Light of Jesus Christ.

There was apostasy already in the time of Paul, but today it is rampant.
I believe a good way, possibly the best way, to avoid these false teachings that are pouring into varied assemblies is to always remember Jesus teaches the faith of Abraham, not any denomination, not even those denominations which have surfaced of the Jews. He was of the the tribe of Judah, as foretold, but He is the King of all Israel, not just the Jews, though tranlateing yahudah we do discover King of the Jews may be fully translated as King of the pRAISERS OF yAH(gOD). aND OS IT GOES.


In reference to the apostasy/rebellion as mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3, what are peoples thoughts in this? Looking at everything today, could it be a combination of elements? I have been thinking on this, and one element that comes to mind and in my opinion stands out from eveything else we are seeing in the world, and that is this whole concept of same sex marriage acceptance and celebration, and this whole concept of gender choosing nonsense. As the more I thnk on this, this is one big element that rebels against the natural order.

On top of this we see more and more preachers who have the external appearances of a nice smiling face, but inside they are decieving people on such a wide scale, promoting this.

What are other peoples thoughts on this?

Another element that also has occured to me, is what is being done in labs, and that is the creation of hybrid lifeforms, and that too when one thinks about it, goes against the natural order.
 

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Thank you......I am not worthy, het I am here and allowed. Blessed be our King, Jesus, amen.
 

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The sad thing is that those who once stood solidly for the truth have compromised their positions. The fundamentalists became neo-evangelical, the neo-evangelical became neo-orthodox and liberal and "emergent", and the liberals became apostates over the past 50 years. As Snoozy said, it is almost impossible to find a sound Bible church which is holding fast to the faith once delivered to the saints. Take The Bible Answer Man as an example. He started off trying to teach Bible truth and has ended up in the Orthodox Church (which has a mixture of truth with a lot of error).

Rev 9:9, "...and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle."

Rev 9:10, "And they had tails like unto scorpions,and there were stings in their tails:..."

This prophecy is being fulfilled in front of you, right now.


Isa 9:15, "The ancient and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."


This prophecy in Rev is fulfilled by Rome, now the Vatican. (The beast is Rome)

False teachers from the "ancient and honorable" Vatican, are hiding the truth about Israel and salvation.

People cannot find salvation because of the many false teachers.
 
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In reference to the apostasy/rebellion as mentioned in 2 Thes 2:3, what are peoples thoughts in this? Looking at everything today, could it be a combination of elements? I have been thinking on this, and one element that comes to mind and in my opinion stands out from eveything else we are seeing in the world, and that is this whole concept of same sex marriage acceptance and celebration, and this whole concept of gender choosing nonsense. As the more I thnk on this, this is one big element that rebels against the natural order.

On top of this we see more and more preachers who have the external appearances of a nice smiling face, but inside they are decieving people on such a wide scale, promoting this.

What are other peoples thoughts on this?

Another element that also has occured to me, is what is being done in labs, and that is the creation of hybrid lifeforms, and that too when one thinks about it, goes against the natural order.
Instead of thinking the Bible is a book that prophecies our future, how about accepting it's a book about God instead? How the Lord saves us.

That said, the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction who exalts himself... yada-yada-yada -- name was Nero. It didn't work. The Lord is still sovereign and still gathering himself a people who will worship and enjoy him forever.
 
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Personally, I suspect that enlightenment ideas and the theory of evolution are key pieces of the 'great falling away'. No other movements have had a comparable degree of effect upon the church as a whole, and on its influence in the world.

That said, I also believe that there are forces and movements that continue to undermine the Church. However, since others disagree virulently with me on some of these issues, I see no need to identify them here.
I get you on the "Enlightenment" and evolution, however, even they go back to the very beginning of mankind. The first lie ever given in the Bible was, "Did God not say" followed immediately with a slight tweak in what God really did say. Man's been following that lead ever since. And yet, God is still getting his way. :)
 

shrume

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Instead of thinking the Bible is a book that prophecies our future, how about accepting it's a book about God instead? How the Lord saves us.

The Bible is both.

That said, the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction who exalts himself... yada-yada-yada -- name was Nero. It didn't work. The Lord is still sovereign and still gathering himself a people who will worship and enjoy him forever.
The man of lawlessness has not made his appearance yet.
 

abcdef

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The Bible is both.


The man of lawlessness has not made his appearance yet.
Yes he has, he is Caesar/Bor.

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The great falling away was before 70 ad.