=MarcR;3368010]
One difficulty in discussing anything with you is that you seem to be convinced that there is no possibility that you are mistaken.
There are basically three major groups or movements that teach that People can please God by their own efforts.
1) The Russelists who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. Started by Charles Russel in the late 19th century
2) The Seventh day Adventists Started by E. G. White in the late 19th century.
3) The Hebrew Roots movement Started by Rico Cortes less than 25 years ago
All three movements are the products of people teaching against the beliefs of mainstream Christian belief and practice.
2 Pe 1:20-2:2
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
KJV
So, we are faced with 2 possibilities:
1) God is such a poor communicator that He allowed His Church to languish in confusion for nearly 1900 years.
2) Mr Russel, Ms White, and Mr Cortes all got it wrong.
I find the first possibility totally unacceptable.
Maybe if you considered actually communicating about the point of my post and the scriptures I use, we could have a conversation. But you don't do that. You just try to place me in one of the folders you have created for all those who you disagree with.
And as I have said over and over, I do not belong to any organized religious franchise, nor do I adhere to any religious franchise owner's doctrines and traditions. So your attempt to place me in some category you created will not succeed as what I understand has been gained from fasting and study in the privacy of my own home, not some self proclaimed prophet.
Just because your religion preaches against having Faith enough in God to follow His instructions, doesn't make this Faith void. Abraham believe in God enough to obey Him and it was called Faith by the New Testament Apostles. In Fact, every single example of "Faith" in the bible were people who trusted God enough to do what He instructed. In many cases their God of Abraham believing brothers discouraged them from believing God, as was the case of Caleb. But with His Spirit their faith was strong enough to over come these naysayers.
Num. 14:
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers,
neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him,
and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
There is a 4th group of people that preach against transgressing the commandments of God by man made doctrines and traditions tradition's that you conveniently left out.
I know, like Mainstream Christianity, the JW and SDA also have traditions of men they adhere to over the Commandments of God so how are they any different that Mainstream Christianity?
I have never heard of Hebrew Roots before coming to this forum, but if they preach against a church that rejects God's instructions over their own traditions, then I must look into them.
Jesus, Paul, Moses, Abraham, Abel, Noah, Stephen, Peter, James, all these walked the same Path Jesus walked and taught. There are some who belong to this church, which I strive to belong to, and hope the same for all my brethren. They don't create images of God in the likeness of men that MC religion does. They never created High Days or Feast into the Lord that MC religion does. They never rejected God's Commandments and traded them for traditions and doctrines of men, like MC religion does.
God is perfectly clear about His Church, He says the same thing to people today that He said 2000 years ago. So it isn't God whose communication skills are lacking. It is now and has always been Man's ability to hear Him.
His church has not languished in confusion for 1900 years. Although small, His church has always been there. But there has always been a great religion that makes war with His True Church as it is written. From Jesus and Stephen who was killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet, all the way back to Abel, who was killed by his "Christian" brother.
Rev. 12:
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Matt. 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD
as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold,
to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and
stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from
being king.
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16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
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17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Does this mean I can Commit Adultery and be blameless if I do it in the Name of the Lord Jesus? Does this mean I can Steal and be blameless so long as I do it in the name of the Lord Jesus? Of course not, surely you are not saying this.
So then if transgressing the Commandments is not acceptable even if I do it in Christ's name. How is it created an image of God in the likeness of man, in Christ's name, OK with you?
How come is Transgressing the Commandments of God where His Holy Sabbath He created for man is Ok as long as you do it in His name.
I am easy to communicate with Marc, it's just that the Word of God cuts through all the confusion you speak of.
Heb. 4:
12 For the word of God
is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
AS Jesus declared. "You shall know them by their fruits".
I talk about these difficult things in hopes of exposing for the Brethren what God/Jesus warned of so many times.