Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[Studyman]

Thanks, You just showed us why we must live under grace and not law. because we all STILL SIN and fall short of Gods presence. (Failed to live up to his standard)

Now. Why did you not answer my question? You made it sound like the people who say the law is not for christians was a sin, And I showed you where Paul made that very statement, are you admitting your error or not?

The Law is for the sinner as Paul says. We all have sin in us as the Bible teaches. This is why Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. All of God's Righteousness was created for man. Even Jesus said, "Don't call Me good", and walked in all the Commandments of God, was He a legalist, or a Judaizers? No, we all need God's Instructions to overcome our natural self, even Jesus who was in all ways tempted as we were.. We are to overcome this sin so that it doesn't rule over us. This is what God's Law is for. But God's Law can not give life. Only Jesus can. So I have Faith that even though because I'm human and I have sin in me, IF I am Faithful to God as was Abraham, and repent (change) and turn to God, (not some religious franchise) and bring "works worthy of repentance"(Keep the Commandments as Jesus instructed) Jesus is faithful to deal with my sins as he did for Abraham. Not be any work of mine, but by the Spiritual work of God created from the foundation of the world that we should walk in them.

Not with the Blood of goats as with the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" Added to the Laws of God Abraham obeyed, that the Jews were pushing on Paul, but by the blood of Jesus shed once and for all from the foundation of the earth.

satan is after this group of people, small though it is.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


This is my faith.

 

[MarcR]

=MarcR;3368010]




Maybe if you considered actually communicating about the point of my post and the scriptures I use, we could have a conversation. But you don't do that. You just try to place me in one of the folders you have created for all those who you disagree with.

And as I have said over and over, I do not belong to any organized religious franchise, nor do I adhere to any religious franchise owner's doctrines and traditions. So your attempt to place me in some category you created will not succeed as what I understand has been gained from fasting and study in the privacy of my own home, not some self proclaimed prophet.

Just because your religion preaches against having Faith enough in God to follow His instructions, doesn't make this Faith void. Abraham believe in God enough to obey Him and it was called Faith by the New Testament Apostles. In Fact, every single example of "Faith" in the bible were people who trusted God enough to do what He instructed. In many cases their God of Abraham believing brothers discouraged them from believing God, as was the case of Caleb. But with His Spirit their faith was strong enough to over come these naysayers.

Num. 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

There is a 4th group of people that preach against transgressing the commandments of God by man made doctrines and traditions tradition's that you conveniently left out.

I know, like Mainstream Christianity, the JW and SDA also have traditions of men they adhere to over the Commandments of God so how are they any different that Mainstream Christianity?

I have never heard of Hebrew Roots before coming to this forum, but if they preach against a church that rejects God's instructions over their own traditions, then I must look into them.

Jesus, Paul, Moses, Abraham, Abel, Noah, Stephen, Peter, James, all these walked the same Path Jesus walked and taught. There are some who belong to this church, which I strive to belong to, and hope the same for all my brethren. They don't create images of God in the likeness of men that MC religion does. They never created High Days or Feast into the Lord that MC religion does. They never rejected God's Commandments and traded them for traditions and doctrines of men, like MC religion does.

God is perfectly clear about His Church, He says the same thing to people today that He said 2000 years ago. So it isn't God whose communication skills are lacking. It is now and has always been Man's ability to hear Him.

His church has not languished in confusion for 1900 years. Although small, His church has always been there. But there has always been a great religion that makes war with His True Church as it is written. From Jesus and Stephen who was killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet, all the way back to Abel, who was killed by his "Christian" brother.


Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1 Sam. 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

"16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

"17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Does this mean I can Commit Adultery and be blameless if I do it in the Name of the Lord Jesus? Does this mean I can Steal and be blameless so long as I do it in the name of the Lord Jesus? Of course not, surely you are not saying this.

So then if transgressing the Commandments is not acceptable even if I do it in Christ's name. How is it created an image of God in the likeness of man, in Christ's name, OK with you?

How come is Transgressing the Commandments of God where His Holy Sabbath He created for man is Ok as long as you do it in His name.

I am easy to communicate with Marc, it's just that the Word of God cuts through all the confusion you speak of.

Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

AS Jesus declared. "You shall know them by their fruits".

I talk about these difficult things in hopes of exposing for the Brethren what God/Jesus warned of so many times.

We, who disagree with you about law keeping do not suggest that we should not live in obedience to God.

We disagree about how to achieve an obedient life! We believe that the NT teaches that neither the Law nor our attempts to obey it can make our lives pleasing to God. The only we can live lives that are pleasing to God is by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Ro 8:1-9
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
KJV

We CAN'T PLEASE GOD THROUGH OUR OWN EFFORTS.

 

[Studyman]

MarcR;3368379]We, who disagree with you about law keeping do not suggest that we should not live in obedience to God.

We disagree about how to achieve an obedient life! We believe that the NT teaches that neither the Law nor our attempts to obey it can make our lives pleasing to God. The only we can live lives that are pleasing to God is by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

I understand the Mainstream preaching. I just don't know how creating images of God in the likeness of man, transgressing God's Commandments by man made church traditions, and creating your own High Days and feasts unto the Lord while rejecting God's Righteousness is glorifying God.

If this is done in ignorance that is one thing, but after this has been exposed, that is entirely different.

I have already gone through these scriptures several times, it makes no sense to go through them again, as you and I don't agree of doctrine.

We CAN'T PLEASE GOD THROUGH OUR OWN EFFORTS.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

This is just one, there are volumes of scriptures that contradict your preaching here Marc. I know you mean well, but we have a part in our Salvation. To preach that we don't goes against the teaching of the entire Bible. Especially Paul;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (All) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


I disagree with your doctrine, not because it goes against some religious franchise traditions and doctrines, but because it goes against God's Word.

We disagree with each other Marc. I can live with that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Law is for the sinner as Paul says. We all have sin in us as the Bible teaches. This is why Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. All of God's Righteousness was created for man. Even Jesus said, "Don't call Me good", and walked in all the Commandments of God, was He a legalist, or a Judaizers? No, we all need God's Instructions to overcome our natural self, even Jesus who was in all ways tempted as we were.. We are to overcome this sin so that it doesn't rule over us. This is what God's Law is for. But God's Law can not give life. Only Jesus can. So I have Faith that even though because I'm human and I have sin in me, IF I am Faithful to God as was Abraham, and repent (change) and turn to God, (not some religious franchise) and bring "works worthy of repentance"(Keep the Commandments as Jesus instructed) Jesus is faithful to deal with my sins as he did for Abraham. Not be any work of mine, but by the Spiritual work of God created from the foundation of the world that we should walk in them.

Not with the Blood of goats as with the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" Added to the Laws of God Abraham obeyed, that the Jews were pushing on Paul, but by the blood of Jesus shed once and for all from the foundation of the earth.

satan is after this group of people, small though it is.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


This is my faith.

Jesus said do not call me good? Where.

He said WHY do you call me good. There is no one good by God. (That includes you and me) Do you believe him?

I am not going to discuss this sabbath thing with you. There is no need, I rest on Saturday’s unless I need to serve people. If you think that is a sin, Then thats on you. Even Jesus worked when it came to serving people.

So if the law is made for the sinner, and we all sin, Then who are the righteous. I mean seriously If the law is not made for the righteous, and there are non righteous. Tho are the righteous?

As for Gods children obeying his commands, There again is no argument there, the argument is HOW we do it. Not WHAT we do.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not as though this question has not been posed and responded to many times here, but,

we are to obey the law according to the teaching of Jesus Christ.

That is we must apply mercy, justice and faith.

All do know that He fulfilled the law and the prophets, right?

Have you learned by prayer and study what this means?

The law is to be obeyed, but wait, how is this possible when Jesus has
taught us the law with faith, mercy and justice always in application?

He, being our High Priest, and having made us all priests to
the Most High God, has fulfilled, replaced, all the Levitical laws concering the priesthood.

He declared all foods clean apart from things strangled, dead of themselves and blood, but then, who in their
right mind wants to eat any of that latter?

None of even the tithing laws apply today since there is no existing Israel with a government that is of God only.

The living stones of the Temple are we, and He is the Head and the Cornerstone taken to Heaven for now, so theere are no laws of the Temple to follow.

He is the only Worthy Sacrifice for our sin, so that is no longer.

I may have missed a few here but this only leaves the laws that have been
taken from stone and inscribed upon our hearts. It is easy to know which of the written laws are so
when we read them because our hearts bear witness to them.

The commandments of God have not last veracity, or do any of you believe God changes?

Within the law and the prophets, without the veil of Moses blinding us, we are able to discern God's mercy and forgiveness.

People who think they know the law and say we are freed by Jesus from obeying are unlearned, yet they propose to
teach against obeying God.......Do not hear them! Do not hear ME! Learn of Jesus Christ, for He has invited us all to
learn directly from Him, God....amen

 

[Ahwatukee]

Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?

Greetings Sinceritas,

Jesus did not abolish the law and in fact he says "Don't think that I have come to abolish the law." He then follows with "I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill it."

Because we were/are unable to keep the law, Jesus being found as one of us, i.e. in the flesh, he did for us what we could not accomplish which was the fulfillment of the law, satisfying it completely.

We are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own doing, it is the gift of God and not by works.

We are saved by trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for us. Therefore, when someone brings something along side Christ's sacrifice as a requirement for salvation, it is the same as saying the His sacrifice was insufficient.

Through faith the believer is credited with Christ's fulfillment of the law and His righteousness. The wrath that every believer deserves was poured out on Christ, satisfying God's wrath on our behalf completely.

If the church was required to keep the covenant of the law, we have already failed! For scripture states that if you put yourself under the Law you are bound to keep every bit of it perfectly. When you break one part of the law, you've broken the whole law. Jesus did it for us.

The commandments of God are these: To believe in the one whom God sent, Jesus Christ and to love one another. If you trust in anything else you have wandered away from grace, which is unmerited favor.

Scripture also states that the law was our tutor until Christ came.

We are free in Christ. Let's follow him!

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not as though this question has not been posed and responded to many times here, but,

we are to obey the law according to the teaching of Jesus Christ.

That is we must apply mercy, justice and faith.

All do know that He fulfilled the law and the prophets, right?

Have you learned by prayer and study what this means?

The law is to be obeyed, but wait, how is this possible when Jesus has
taught us the law with faith, mercy and justice always in application?

He, being our High Priest, and having made us all priests to
the Most High God, has fulfilled, replaced, all the Levitical laws concering the priesthood.

He declared all foods clean apart from things strangled, dead of themselves and blood, but then, who in their
right mind wants to eat any of that latter?

None of even the tithing laws apply today since there is no existing Israel with a government that is of God only.

The living stones of the Temple are we, and He is the Head and the Cornerstone taken to Heaven for now, so theere are no laws of the Temple to follow.

He is the only Worthy Sacrifice for our sin, so that is no longer.

I may have missed a few here but this only leaves the laws that have been
taken from stone and inscribed upon our hearts. It is easy to know which of the written laws are so
when we read them because our hearts bear witness to them.

The commandments of God have not last veracity, or do any of you believe God changes?

Within the law and the prophets, without the veil of Moses blinding us, we are able to discern God's mercy and forgiveness.

People who think they know the law and say we are freed by Jesus from obeying are unlearned, yet they propose to
teach against obeying God.......Do not hear them! Do not hear ME! Learn of Jesus Christ, for He has invited us all to
learn directly from Him, God....amen

.

If your heart does not witness to God's commandments, something there is missing. If you believe man is permitted to edit God's Word, I am afraid everything is missing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

.

If your heart does not witness to God's commandments, something there is missing. If you believe man is permitted to edit God's Word, I am afraid everything is missing.

No one is denying Gods law.

What the discussion is, how do we not make God a liar (all who are born of God obeys his commands)

is it by following mosaic law. or is it by another thing.

People want to make it a law issue (obedience vs disobedience) when it is not.

 

[Grandpa]

The Law is for the sinner as Paul says. We all have sin in us as the Bible teaches. This is why Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. All of God's Righteousness was created for man. Even Jesus said, "Don't call Me good", and walked in all the Commandments of God, was He a legalist, or a Judaizers? No, we all need God's Instructions to overcome our natural self, even Jesus who was in all ways tempted as we were.. We are to overcome this sin so that it doesn't rule over us. This is what God's Law is for. But God's Law can not give life. Only Jesus can. So I have Faith that even though because I'm human and I have sin in me, IF I am Faithful to God as was Abraham, and repent (change) and turn to God, (not some religious franchise) and bring "works worthy of repentance"(Keep the Commandments as Jesus instructed) Jesus is faithful to deal with my sins as he did for Abraham. Not be any work of mine, but by the Spiritual work of God created from the foundation of the world that we should walk in them.

Not with the Blood of goats as with the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" Added to the Laws of God Abraham obeyed, that the Jews were pushing on Paul, but by the blood of Jesus shed once and for all from the foundation of the earth.

satan is after this group of people, small though it is.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REv. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


This is my faith.

The law is for people who have not come to Christ.

Christ is for sinners.

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[/FONT]Romans 6:14 [FONT=&quot]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[/FONT]1 John 3:22-24
[FONT=&quot]22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

The law is for people who have not come to Christ.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Christ is for sinners.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]

Romans 6:14

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 3:22-24

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey



John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]

 

[Seedz]

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

I'm curious about this passage...


In 12:47 it says that Jesus himself does not judge.

So it is God alone that judges, but does this mean accountability, or condemnation?

Since Jesus does not judge, then what does it mean exactly to judge?

 

[Hizikyah]

I'm curious about this passage...


In 12:47 it says that Jesus himself does not judge.

So it is God alone that judges, but does this mean accountability, or condemnation?

Since Jesus does not judge, then what does it mean exactly to judge?

John 12:47-50, "12:47, "“And if anyone hears My Words but does not watch over them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48, "“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day. 49, "“Because I spoke not from Myself, but the Father who sent Me has given Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50, "“And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.”



It is the Lamb and Lion principle.


He came as a Lamb, not to judge but to save.


He returns as a Lion in "the Last Day" to Judge.


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT]




the prophets spoke of this and it fits what the prophets said:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Also we can see:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”


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[Hizikyah]

John 12:47-50, "12:47, "“And if anyone hears My Words but does not watch over them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48, "“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day. 49, "“Because I spoke not from Myself, but the Father who sent Me has given Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50, "“And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.”

It is the Lamb and Lion principle.

He came as a Lamb, not to judge but to save.

He returns as a Lion in "the Last Day" to Judge.

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

I want to add:

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 49:9-11, “Yehuḏah is a lion’s cub; from the prey you have gone up, my son! He bowed down, he crouched like a lion. And like a lion, who does rouse him? The scepter shall not turn aside from Yehuḏah, nor an Inscriber from between his feet, until Shiloh comes, and to Him is the obedience of peoples. Binding his donkey to the vine, and his donkey’s colt to the choice vine, he washed his garments in wine, and his robes in the blood of grapes.”[/FONT]


Psalms 2:1-12, "2:1, "Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”"2:4, " He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוה mocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,"2:6, "“ But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”

 

[Seedz]

John 12:47-50, "12:47, "“And if anyone hears My Words but does not watch over them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48, "“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day. 49, "“Because I spoke not from Myself, but the Father who sent Me has given Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50, "“And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.”



It is the Lamb and Lion principle.


He came as a Lamb, not to judge but to save.


He returns as a Lion in "the Last Day" to Judge.


Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever




the prophets spoke of this and it fits what the prophets said:



Also we can see:

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”


Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”

Thanks for expanding on this.

So what makes us righteous vs what makes us practitioners of evil matters?

Because as we know, avoiding sin 100% of the time every single second of our lives seems almost impossible to do while in this body.


Romans 6 mentions we are free from the bondage of sin because of grace, but we are not to sin, yet realistically speaking we can potentially sin.

So again, what does this mean in regards to salvation?

Is it lost when we sin?

Does following the lord and then sinning once in a while because of our human nature make us into evil doers and send us into darkness for eternity?

Are we expected to NEVER sin ever again once we believe and accept the gift of salvation through faith?

 

[Studyman]

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Jesus said do not call me good? Where.

He said WHY do you call me good. There is no one good by God. (That includes you and me) Do you believe him?

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus was a man, like you and me. Do you believe Him?

I am not going to discuss this sabbath thing with you. There is no need, I rest on Saturday’s unless I need to serve people. If you think that is a sin, Then thats on you. Even Jesus worked when it came to serving people.

There it is. Did Jesus get time and a half, or double pay for working on God's Sabbath to serve people?

So if the law is made for the sinner, and we all sin, Then who are the righteous. I mean seriously If the law is not made for the righteous, and there are non righteous. Tho are the righteous?

I'll let Paul answer that one:

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom. 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk (walking is a Work that we do)not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

And James:

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

As the Bible says, we all have sin in us.

Rom. 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin (death)which is in my members.

Remember, Paul is endowed with the Holy Spirit of Jesus. Yet he says sin still dwells in him. Jesus was a man as you and I, sin dwelled in His Human form as well. (Why do you call Me good, (I am human just like you)) It's just that Jesus never let the sin that exists in all humans have dominion over Him. Like His Father told Cain, "you shall rule over him".

For this He was called Righteous.

God's Commandments are the definition of His Righteousness.

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

His answer!!!!

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

He "serves the Law of God" that you preach is not for the Christian. His flesh is dead, no longer has any power over him. Crucified with Christ. Now to keep this evil, rebellious, God hating flesh, under control, he doesn't serve his flesh any more, He serves the Law of God. Hard to do if you preach God's Laws are not for the Christian.

He isn't doing his own "work", but God in His mercy has written God's Commandments on his mind and as long as he has them before his face, like a mirror, he will not forget what manner of man he was.

As it is written: 1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

2 Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

How can we bring our thought to the obedience of Christ without God's Laws?

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Matt. 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2 Cor. 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Col. 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

And what is "His Working" which is in Paul's mind? The Laws of God as Paul said he served with his mind.

I could go one and on EG. Who does God consider Righteous? Those who deny themselves and "turn to God" and His Righteousness.

So the truth of God's Word, is a true Christian, is one who has God's Laws and follows them, as opposed to man made doctrines and traditions.

1 Tim. 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient,

If I walk into a store and see a sign that reads, "Shop Lifters will be prosecuted" is that sign for me? Well if I'm a shop lifter yes. But as long as I'm not a shoplifter, this law is not made for me. As long as I follow this Law, I have no fear of prosecution.

Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

As long as I follow the law that says "don't shop lift" I am free from the prosecution of those who shop lift.

As for Gods children obeying his commands, There again is no argument there, the argument is HOW we do it. Not WHAT we do.

It is not obeying God to create our own Sabbaths, High Days, images of God, man made traditions that cause us to transgress God's Commandments, the list goes on and on.

Because most religious men reject God's Righteousness and create their own. Therefore, they don't consider the sign.

1 Cor. 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run,(Work) that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection,( subjection to what? The Traditions of the mainstream church of his time, or the Law of God in his mind) lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

My beef isn't with you EG, it is with the man made doctrines and traditions that we have been taught by mainstream preachers for years.

It is the persistent continuation of a mainstream religion that transgresses the Commandments of God by man made doctrines and traditions. No different than the Pharisees, or the Wicked Kings of Israel, or Cain who hated his "Christian" brother because he chose God's Righteousness over mans.


I understand the implications, I dealt with them over 20 years ago. I sincerely hope you consider.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

it is insane to me that many new age believers seem to think the worst thing one can do is obey the Creator's righteous standard.

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

Is Jesus a justifued by works pharisee lawyer for saying this? or is it that anyone who quotes any verse that says we are reponsible for our actions get s called those things?

The pharisees obeyed the laws zealously.
But what does this mean: your righteousness must exceed their righteousness.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?

​The moment you get saved you are a law keeper.

 

[Studyman]

The pharisees obeyed the laws zealously.
But what does this mean: your righteousness must exceed their righteousness.

Jesus said the Pharisees were not keeping God’s Commandments.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Jesus said the Pharisees were not keeping God’s Commandments.

How were they not keeping them? They were very meticulous.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The pharisees obeyed the laws zealously. But what does this mean: your righteousness must exceed their righteousness.

What it means is that the works (or the deeds) of the Law cannot make one as righteous as God. Hence we need the imputed righteousness of Christ, which obviously far exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees. But this righteousness can only be obtain as a gift of God's grace through faith in Christ (the Lamb of God) and His finished work of redemption.

Back to the title. Jesus did NOT abolish the moral and spiritual laws of God (the Ten Commandments) and because He fulfilled the sacrificial laws and kept all the other laws perfectly. He rendered them null and void. For example, the dietary laws of Moses are no longer in effect.