State of Emergency in the Churches

[Mooky]

Sexual sins are in a category of their own because they are so devastating to individuals, families and communities.
One of the first admonitions - no, COMMANDS the apostle Paul gives to believers is to abstain from sexual sin in order to be sanctified and learn to control their bodies in honour and," not in passionate lust like the heathen."

 

[Skinski7]

This just continually amazes me. It is very evident that the Spirit of truth is gone.

On the one hand you have pastors who believe that a child molester can be in a saved state while still continuing to molest children. If that is not bad enough, when such a thing is clearly pointed out to people, you have people defending such teachings.



What you write Tombo is horrific.

Tommy wrote this...

By walking in newness of life, abstaining from all appearances of evil, keeping oneself pure and undefiled from the world, and following Jesus on the narrow road! This comes from the heart made pure, through repentance and faith proven by deeds. Jesus didn't overcome for us, but gave us all the tools we need to be overcomer's, and receive the bread of life! He who endures and overcomes to the end will be saved, its that simple!

Yet you call that a lie from the pit of hell because it doesn't affirm the doctrine that "Jesus obeyed for you." You cannot find such a teaching in the Bible except by reading it into 2Cor 5:21 which doesn't even say that. Jesus never taught it yet you cling to it.

You then blatently lie with this...

Here is Tommy4Tommy's version of Ephesians 2:8-9
"For it is not by grace that you have been saved, nor through faith. It is of your own doing; it is not the gift of God, but the result of your works, so that you may boast in yourselves."

You won't dare quote Tommy directly because you know he does not say that. You have to fabricate a lie to attack.

Then other people support these lies. This is all so horrible and extremely upsetting to me because we are dealing with eternity here.

I just don't know how to break through the strong delusion. The truth is so simple, it is right in front of people but practically no-one wants to see it.



Then AnandaHya writes this,

I agree with most of your points except this statement "We must lay aside all wickedness in order to receive that implanted word which can save our souls."

For Jesus saved us when we were sinners still. He does not want us to remain in our sins but neither does the SEED become planted only when we lay aside All wickedness but when God's GRACE first comes to us. When GOD gives us Faith to believe upon the Gospel of Christ and then He sends His Holy Spirit which guides, teaches and leads us.

I believe we receive the implanted Word in order to lay aside all wickedness and that God does this to save our souls and conform us to the image of His Son.

RachelBibleStudent, a professing Bible Student reads it and "likes" that post.

This is awful.

AnandaHya, James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Yet you say...

I believe we receive the implanted Word in order to lay aside all wickedness and that God does this to save our souls and conform us to the image of His Son.

AnandaHya and Rachel. Do you just take a black marker and cross out the scripture because you disagree with it? I mean you might as well do that and be honest about it.

People just do not believe what the Bible plainly teaches. They hold to this delusional theology which is built on isolating scriptures out of context. A delusional theology that makes an allowance for a continuation for sin.

Why do people believe it? It must be because they do not want to forsake their sin. What other reason could there be? There can be no other reason, especially when they are shown clearly what the Bible actually teaches.

AnandaHya and Rachel, what goes through your minds when you read James? Do you think he was confused or something? How can your minds totally disregard what he wrote?

How can any of you totally deny that one must strive to enter in at the strait gate when Jesus plainly taught that? Jesus said that FEW will be saved. FEW FEW FEW. Jesus said MANY MANY MANY would be deceived. Don't you believe Jesus?

I just don't get it. I really don't. I get really upset when I read things like this, when I speak to people in my town and they cannot see. They think everything is fine, that you can keep on willfully sinning and still enter the kingdom. This life is like a gust of wind, please take eternity seriously.

Jesus warned that MANY MANY MANY would come in HIS NAME saying that HE IS CHRIST and would deceive MANY. Jesus meant exactly that. Take the warning seriously. THINK ABOUT IT.

Eight people survived the flood. EIGHT EIGHT EIGHT.

TWO PEOPLE who left Egypt made it to the Promised Land. TWO TWO TWO.

Jesus said FEW WOULD BE SAVED. Please don't be one of the many I beg you.


People need to get out of the church system and start reading their Bibles. They need to start believing their Bibles. They need to stop reading commentaries, Bible books, listening to all the wolves on the radio and the tv and start digging deep into the Bible for themselves. Read what is plainly says, read what Jesus taught. All of it, not only John 3:16 or Eph 2:8-9. Read it all in context.

Dig deep and find out what grace is. What faith is. What repentance is. What obedience is. What cleansing by the blood means. What sin is. What lust is.

Truth is not a subjective thing, it is not whatever we want it to be. The truth is the truth and we had all better align ourselves with it or we will lose big time.




When John wrote Revelation 5 of the 7 churches were already corrupted. That was 2000 years ago. The whole system is corrupted today.

I was reading Lamentations today and it pretty much describes EXACTLY what is going on today in the church system.

This deception is deadly and many have bought into it completely and have had their consciences seared with a hot iron. May God help them see.



Jeremiah 23
1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.

 

[Skinski7]

Is salvation something which God taunts in front of you and granted only when you have reached perfection before coming to Him or is it something promised to those who are in Christ? Is it taken away with the minutest sin, only to be regained a thousand times throughout one's life? Are we to live in a constant fear of losing salvation, even by that little "unconfessed" sin? You know, even that little sin of telling the Spirit, "not now, maybe later" is a sin. There are so many sins in one's life, how can you be certain all is forgiven? But they who are in Christ, God does not impute sin, but corrects them as a Father.

If there is but one who can stand before us and proclaim His absolute obedience to the Law, and proclaim we are to do likewise, could we also earn our justification by obedience to that which brought death? But what if that one says, "I came because I knew you could not, I died in your place and faith in me alone suffices?" Which one would you follow behind, the one who says salvation is through your deeds, or the One who says salvation is through Me and that justification is manifested through works of Faith, namely, a living faith displayed through love?

I know for certain that my salvation is not based on my deeds, that is, my righteousness, but my righteousness comes from the faith I have in Jesus Christ. Which will you pick, your works or His works?

I actually thought that you may have an eye to see when I first began reading your posts. Yet you believe in the lie like everyone else.

You come up with the same fallacies in response to what I write.

No-one is saying that one must reach perfection before coming to Christ. That is a foolish straw man.

That is something Tombo would say. Yet it is you saying it.

Repentance is simply where we change our mind and thus we TURN from our rebellion to God. It has nothing to do in regards to being perfect. It simply means to stop being a rebel through a broken godly sorrow.

I have used many illustration from the Bible and they are just ignored. The Prodigal Son parable is a clear teaching on repentance and the Prodigal Son left the pig pen in order to come before the father. Yet it is just ignored, the teachings of Jesus don't mean anything.

The teachings of Jesus are subject to a preconceived theology instead of our theology being subject to the teachings of Jesus. What foolishness. What utter foolishness.

Then all this constant talk about "earning." Earning and Perfection, the two favourite strawman lies which people formulate to attack to justify being saved in sins.

The Prodigal Son did not EARN forgiveness. Forsaking his rebellion was just meeting a condition that forgiveness be granted. It is just easier to create a strawman and attack that.

All this just goes to show that you have absolutely no idea as to what I am talking about cfultz. Not a clue in the slightest.


God is not looking for perfection in order to justify someone. He is looking for people to repent and forsake their sin and yield to Him with all their heart, soul and mind. Jesus taught in the parable of the sower that the seed which fell on the good and noble heart was the seed that produced fruit, 30, 60 and 100 fold. Yet most seed today is choked out by the thorns of sin.

We are to walk in faithful obedience. That doesn't mean never falling short, it simply means we are not in rebellion anymore. A very simple truth.

You cannot serve God and Satan at the same time. It is a very simple truth. Light and darkness do not mix. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot be obedient and disobedient at the same time. You are in one camp or the other.


14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 

[cfultz3]

Damage control:

Note what was said by Skinsky: We must lay aside all wickedness in order to receive that implanted word which can save our souls


What this statement implies: before you can receive the Word, you have to lay aside all wickedness first. But what does it really say:


Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.


No where does it say "so that", "in order that", but simple it states to put that away and open your mind to this. But, by that simply insertion, we must become perfect before we are saved in the first place. How is it possible to be perfect while in the flesh?


To all readers, PLEASE do not take anyone's word as to what the Scriptures say, but go and read what it says. You see how a simply insertion can change the whole meaning?

 

[AnandaHya]

Rant all you want. read James 1 in context and you would get a better understanding of it all...

James 1
New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting to the Twelve Tribes

1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,

To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:

Greetings.

Profiting from Trials

2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

The Perspective of Rich and Poor

9 Let the lowly brother glory in his exaltation, 10 but the rich in his humiliation, because as a flower of the field he will pass away. 11 For no sooner has the sun risen with a burning heat than it withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beautiful appearance perishes. So the rich man also will fade away in his pursuits.

12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.


19 So then,[a] my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.


21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

WHOSE will is it? WHERE did all GOOD things come from? How are people able to put aside all filthiness? why is the verse you quote begin with the word "therefore"?

why don't you see the FIRST part of the sentence BEFORE the THEREFORE?

" Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth,"

why do you seek to deceive people and tell them they can do it WITHOUT first receiving the good and perfect gift from above?

without the Word of Truth by the Will of GOD by His grace through faith?

why do you ignore these verses?

1 Timothy 1
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

Romans 5
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

whine at me all you want about how unrighteous I am. but it is YOU who is blind for you do not listen or hear what is being spoken to you.

I'm tired of your lies.

show me once where I have said its ok to sin?

do you not realize you speak of YOURSELF when you say these words? or are you blinded by your own sparks, your own self righteousness?

"This deception is deadly and many have bought into it completely and have had their consciences seared with a hot iron. May God help them see."

do you know the BIBLE verse "seared with a hot iron" comes from and the SIN they were committing?

they were adding laws and their own set of rules to God's people and telling them that they were guilty when GOD has declared them CLEAN.

I am a Child of God. I am not perfect but GOD has His hand upon ME and my life. HE leads me and HE tells me I am acceptable to Him and to walk with HIM and HE will guide and lead me and will not let me fall. I will listen to HIS upward calling and no matter how the WORLD and those who are stuck in their own mire may yell out to me about my sins I will not listen for GOD is my Shepherd and my Guide.

YOUR conscience may be seared and you burn with rage and look around you and see only darkness. but I will not dwell on my past and the things I have done and how far I fall short.

NO as for ME and My House I will serve the Lord and meditate upon the grace and love HE has given me. I will seek to do His work and not waste time and thought upon the lies Satan seeks to depress or drag me down.

I pray that others are not so deceived.

I'm tired of reading your filth.

I do not find encouragement. I do not find grace or the LIGHT that leads people to GOD.

NO all I see in your words is condemnation and rejection.

Do you know the FIRST thing most predators do when they hunt?

Its called CULLING.

they cut weak sheep out of the flock. they tell lies about how EVIL the church is and how UNWORTHY everyone else is and how DELUSIONAL they are.

NO I know my faults. I know my weaknesses. they are not any YOU have listed but I know that I'm not perfect as YOU would have people be.

But you know what?

I am PERFECT as GOD has made me to be and for me that is enough.

FOR I am a NEW Creation and GOD is my creator.

will you find fault in me?

yes I see that others around me are not PERFECT as you would have them be, but you know what GOD has it under control.

HE does not tell me to rant and rave at them, HE tells me to love them and gently rebuke with LOVE those who are at fault and allow HIS Holy Spirit to convict and heal and teach them.

you are trapped in the chains of your self righteous delusions because you don't know that you need GOD to free you but think YOU did it all to begin with.

IF you think you have forsaken all sin, look at the sin of pride and the sin of lying and bearing false witness for you do not know what you speak but just seek to be a teacher of the law but instead corrupt and profane the things of God with your self righteous words and attitude.

 

[AnandaHya]

get the plank out of your eye and then perhaps we'll discuss my specks.

1 Timothy 4
4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I noticed you didn't comment on my question to elaborate on HOW people overcame through the BLOOD of the Lamb...

 

[cfultz3]

Rant all you want. read James 1 in context and you would get a better understanding of it all...



WHOSE will is it? WHERE did all GOOD things come from? How are people able to put aside all filthiness? why is the verse you quote begin with the word "therefore"?

why don't you see the FIRST part of the sentence BEFORE the THEREFORE?

" Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth,"

why do you seek to deceive people and tell them they can do it WITHOUT first receiving the good and perfect gift from above?

without the Word of Truth by the Will of GOD by His grace through faith?

why do you ignore these verses?

1 Timothy 1
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

Romans 5
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

whine at me all you want about how unrighteous I am. but it is YOU who is blind for you do not listen or hear what is being spoken to you.

I'm tired of your lies.

show me once where I have said its ok to sin?

do you not realize you speak of YOURSELF when you say these words? or are you blinded by your own sparks, your own self righteousness?

"This deception is deadly and many have bought into it completely and have had their consciences seared with a hot iron. May God help them see."

do you know the BIBLE verse "seared with a hot iron" comes from and the SIN they were committing?

they were adding laws and their own set of rules to God's people and telling them that they were guilty when GOD has declared them CLEAN.

I am a Child of God. I am not perfect but GOD has His hand upon ME and my life. HE leads me and HE tells me I am acceptable to Him and to walk with HIM and HE will guide and lead me and will not let me fall. I will listen to HIS upward calling and no matter how the WORLD and those who are stuck in their own mire may yell out to me about my sins I will not listen for GOD is my Shepherd and my Guide.

YOUR conscience may be seared and you burn with rage and look around you and see only darkness. but I will not dwell on my past and the things I have done and how far I fall short.

NO as for ME and My House I will serve the Lord and meditate upon the grace and love HE has given me. I will seek to do His work and not waste time and thought upon the lies Satan seeks to depress or drag me down.

I pray that others are not so deceived.

I'm tired of reading your filth.

I do not find encouragement. I do not find grace or the LIGHT that leads people to GOD.

NO all I see in your words is condemnation and rejection.

Do you know the FIRST thing most predators do when they hunt?

Its called CULLING.

they cut weak sheep out of the flock. they tell lies about how EVIL the church is and how UNWORTHY everyone else is and how DELUSIONAL they are.

NO I know my faults. I know my weaknesses. they are not any YOU have listed but I know that I'm not perfect as YOU would have people be.

But you know what?

I am PERFECT as GOD has made me to be and for me that is enough.

FOR I am a NEW Creation and GOD is my creator.

will you find fault in me?

yes I see that others around me are not PERFECT as you would have them be, but you know what GOD has it under control.

HE does not tell me to rant and rave at them, HE tells me to love them and gently rebuke with LOVE those who are at fault and allow HIS Holy Spirit to convict and heal and teach them.

you are trapped in the chains of your self righteous delusions because you don't know that you need GOD to free you but think YOU did it all to begin with.

IF you think you have forsaken all sin, look at the sin of pride and the sin of lying and bearing false witness for you do not know what you speak but just seek to be a teacher of the law but instead corrupt and profane the things of God with your self righteous words and attitude.

I second this. Amen

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 9:30-33

30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

It is not about what WE can do or what we can't do. It is about the faith we have in the Lord to do a work in us. Without Him we can do nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 9:30-33

30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

It is not about what WE can do or what we can't do. It is about the faith we have in the Lord to do a work in us. Without Him we can do nothing.

Amen, we can not conform to God, we must allow God to conform us.

And this can't even begin to happen until we are born again, and given the spirit of truth. Salvation comes first. then we are conformed to his son. it is not the other way around

 

[Tommy4Christ]

All you who mock the truth of the Bible, take heed, as you cast dispersions on us, you have no desire to seek truth as you think you already have it. I get sick to my stomach when I read how you all cast away the Gospel according to godliness, I can now see most of your consciences are seared!

You cant get past your conceived notions on what you think truth should be according to your false teachers you sit under.

Skinski has beed more than patient with you all, explained everything to you in great detail, with many scriptures, and I have done my best here to shed some light on what I am learning!

No one understands repentance and faith, to you its works and pride, no one understands obedience, to you its an option, or something you should do or be willing to do, to you, heart purity cannot be obtained because you were born a vile sinner, and God winks at sin, allowing the vile of sinners to get saved, then be cloaked with the righteousness of Jesus, this isn't in the bible I read.

As to judging with righteous judgement, please read this, and by the way is doing what is right by God being self righteous, such as obeying from the heart, and walking a crucified life IN Him, and His strength?

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Judge not!​

1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.​

Today if you even attempt to call sinners out of sin, they will immediately accuse you of being judgmental, unmerciful, and prideful, especially when you give them truth, they have never heard, it’s like a defense mechanism that is built into every professing Christian, who will shut you down, when they are called to repent or perish!
2Co 10:6 and having readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. The problem most have with these verses is first off, they never heard them, and second, they do not apply to the average Christian, because they were saved IN their sins, Jesus was their substitute, and they are just poor hopeless sinners saved by grace, so they think.
So when a real Christian(follower of Christ) comes along, they get suspicious of them, because they put them in the all-inclusive category, that all have sinned, all are born sinners, and that all sin is the same in Gods eyes, thus not being honest about what a real obedient faith is!
The doctrine according to godliness, has been lost, and is now replaced with a very liberal comfort gospel, that is getting people saved in their sins, then accepting the cloak that covers all their sins in Christ, who supposedly took their place, and now God sees Jesus, and not the wicked heart that is still alive and well.
They believe no one can be obedient, walk a blameless life, be perfect in purity of heart, walk worthy of their calling, remain undefiled from the world, sin no more, abstain from all appearances of evil, and put to death the old man in repentance! And those who claim they do, are called a hypocrite, liar, and walking around with a huge plank in their eye.
Why would these verses be there IF we could not attain them? Would God give us a task we could not complete? 1Co 10:13 No temptation has taken you but what is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but with the temptation also will make a way to escape, so that you may be able to bear it.
It’s simple to see, how far off the mark modern Christianity has fallen. and how blind those who can’t see are, as they scream "judge not" when you warn and rebuke their false ways, and sinful habits they refuse to give up. Along with all the reformed teachings that have made the true gospel void and impotent to set them free once and for all, from the bondage's of sin!
There is no urgency to keep the word pure, and even a lesser urgency for the professing Christian world to repent, and seek the mercy of God.2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear in the matter.
No one who is still in bondage to willful sin and who also loves the world more than God, . Jas 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever desires to be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
has any business avenging the disobedient, or judging all things, he must first do his first works, Rev 2:5 Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and will remove your lamp stand out of its place unless you repent, then walk a life pleasing to God, not in perfection as many will accuse, but in humble obedience to the truth, walking in purity, sincerity, and love, forsaking the things of the world, to pursue righteousness, holiness, and heart purity, which includes contending earnestly for the faith! Jud 1:3 Having made all haste to write to you about the common salvation, beloved, I had need to write to you to exhort you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.
Being ready with all diligence, to judge righteously, fervently, and by the word of God, that is not to be taken lightly, as there are many souls at stake here!
2Ti 2:15 Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
To judge righteously is a high calling of the saints, who have come out of the world, and the sin's that ensnared them, they stand aloof of the church system, guarding their hearts against the onslaught of lies, and temptations around every corner, they walk a life ministering to God, not to man, and keep themselves pure and unspotted from the world.
Yes, it’s a high calling, but a must to enter into the kingdom of God, it a race well worth running, because the prize at the end is well worth it, but we must be ready to avenge all disobedience, only if ours is fulfilled, not in perfection, but in a pure heart of love and devotion to our God, who boldly said:
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome.
To love, follow and obey God is not burdensome; it’s a joy and privilege to those few who have actually repented, and crucified their flesh and its desires with Christ, once and for all!
Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Tommy 3-5-12

 

[cfultz3]

Of all those who respond to Skinski and Tommy,

1) How many say that we can remain in sin (deliberately not walking before the Lord) while in Christ?
2) How many say we do not have to repent before (contrive heart) and during (conviction of the Spirit) our life in Christ?
3) How many say that God's seed within us enables us to fulfill God's Law, specifically, love?
4) How many say that it is faith which enables us to be obedient to God?
5) How many believes forgiveness starts with God?

 

[Tommy4Christ]

What you all are actually doing is taking your opinions over the word of God, you must reject all your reformed teachings, and quit accusing us of being evil, judgemental, and spreading lies, this simplifies what we follow and believe, and when you accuse us you are mocking Jesus and His followers, who taught the same thing, minus the excuses many make to sin and repent, sin and repent etc..

I hope this moves a few of you who will listen!

The early Saints followed their Master in humble Obedience to His Commands, Striving always to enter by the Narrow Gate. They ran the Race with Steadfast endurance following the Example of Christ in all Righteousness and godly behavior. They held fast to His Word and Contended earnestly for the Faith. Their Message to the world was Repentance and Faith PROVEN by DEEDS! And Judgment According to DEEDS! Hypocrisy was exposed, Lies Cast down and Sin never tolerated. If you Named the Name of Christ, you Departed from iniquity!


Their Doctrine was Simple. Jesus came to Ransom their souls from the Corrupting influence of sin and provide for them all things that pertain to life and godliness through His exceeding great and precious promises. As workers together with Him they added to their faith and worked out their own Salvation in fear and trembling. They did Not have ten thousand Pastor / Teachers explaining away all the Commands of Scripture and telling them that Jesus was their Substitute. It was the Heretics (Pagans!) who taught that man was born a sinner with a dual nature that could not obey God. The Gnostics made the outrageous claims that sin could be inherited by generation and guilt transferred from father to son. (NOT THE CHRISTIANS!) wwwstandingthegap.org

 

[AnandaHya]

I sit under God's Holy Spirit and read His Bible and hear His voice

and you sit under Skinski and the false teachers at the standing in the Gap website.

Lone wolves proclaiming they are Sheep, no exclaiming they are shepherds leading sheep away from God's grace and Gospel and enslaving them to lies and delusions.

Sin is bad and leads to death.

Shake off your sin of PRIDE for you do not understand REPENTANCE, Forgivness, grace or the mercy OF God.

More accurately YOU do not understand the SOURCE. You do not give credit to GOD and HIS HOLY SPIRIT for the work they do in the lives of God's children.

Is it because you have not experienced it or because you think it all started with YOUR repentance not truly seeing the BIGGER picture that it began with JESUS and His GRACE?

THAT is the PRIDE I speak of. the one where you say salvation begins with YOU and your false Gospel message. which by the way neither of you have mentioned how people OVERCOME BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

Interesting to see what you and Skinski like to focus on....

I understand Heart purity for GOD has cleansed me and made me NEW.

Go ahead list my sins, tell me what God will hold to my account...

you have no clue what I or many on this site believe because you have placed them in a false box that the Standinginthegap website puts them in. they create strawmen that you and skinski love to torch.

can you see beyond people's words into their hearts?

can you see God's light shine within them or do you focus on the darkness around them?

Luke 11

33 “No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light. 34 The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35 Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. 36 If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, the whole body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of a lamp gives you light.”

 

[AnandaHya]

The early Saints followed their Master in humble Obedience to His Commands, Striving always to enter by the Narrow Gate. They ran the Race with Steadfast endurance following the Example of Christ in all Righteousness and godly behavior. They held fast to His Word and Contended earnestly for the Faith. Their Message to the world was Repentance and Faith PROVEN by DEEDS! And Judgment According to DEEDS! Hypocrisy was exposed, Lies Cast down and Sin never tolerated. If you Named the Name of Christ, you Departed from iniquity!


Their Doctrine was Simple. Jesus came to Ransom their souls from the Corrupting influence of sin and provide for them all things that pertain to life and godliness through His exceeding great and precious promises. As workers together with Him they added to their faith and worked out their own Salvation in fear and trembling.

alright with you there.. and now the lies and the false accusations start. lets see this strawman be erected:

They did Not have ten thousand Pastor / Teachers explaining away all the Commands of Scripture and telling them that Jesus was their Substitute. It was the Heretics (Pagans!) who taught that man was born a sinner with a dual nature that could not obey God. The Gnostics made the outrageous claims that sin could be inherited by generation and guilt transferred from father to son. (NOT THE CHRISTIANS!) wwwstandingthegap.org

anyone want to tackle this set of lies parroted from that poisonous website?

1. Jesus is our PROPIATION . I suggest you learn what that means

2. Pelagianism.... gee wiz... I have stated over and over again that WITHOUT GOD NO one would do right or good. that GOD is the SOURCE of all goodness.

are you saying that you can be good without God's help and guidance?

God did not create the world to function without His Spirit to guide it. to even say so is REBELLION against God. Without God breathing His Spirit within you then you are still spiritually DEAD though physically you may move, you are nothing but a robot, worse then any beast in the field.

3. I don't believe in generational curses and Gnostics believed in the dual nature and that Jesus didn't come in the flesh because all flesh is evil and corrupt.

the standing in the gap website has more in common with Gnostics then most on this site. though you will find some who love the gnostic lost books of the Bible.

you can keep quoting that site or you could read your Bible for yourself and pray and break free of their lies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What you all are actually doing is taking your opinions over the word of God, you must reject all your reformed teachings, and quit accusing us of being evil, judgemental, and spreading lies, this simplifies what we follow and believe, and when you accuse us you are mocking Jesus and His followers, who taught the same thing, minus the excuses many make to sin and repent, sin and repent etc..

I hope this moves a few of you who will listen!

The early Saints followed their Master in humble Obedience to His Commands, Striving always to enter by the Narrow Gate. They ran the Race with Steadfast endurance following the Example of Christ in all Righteousness and godly behavior. They held fast to His Word and Contended earnestly for the Faith. Their Message to the world was Repentance and Faith PROVEN by DEEDS! And Judgment According to DEEDS! Hypocrisy was exposed, Lies Cast down and Sin never tolerated. If you Named the Name of Christ, you Departed from iniquity!


Their Doctrine was Simple. Jesus came to Ransom their souls from the Corrupting influence of sin and provide for them all things that pertain to life and godliness through His exceeding great and precious promises. As workers together with Him they added to their faith and worked out their own Salvation in fear and trembling. They did Not have ten thousand Pastor / Teachers explaining away all the Commands of Scripture and telling them that Jesus was their Substitute. It was the Heretics (Pagans!) who taught that man was born a sinner with a dual nature that could not obey God. The Gnostics made the outrageous claims that sin could be inherited by generation and guilt transferred from father to son. (NOT THE CHRISTIANS!) wwwstandingthegap.org

You sound good. As all human good and wisdom of man does. But your missing the most important part of the gospel of Christ.

These same men you claim followed your path rejected your gospel of works. As I said earlier, you have it backwards. You are unable to conform to the image of God. You must allow God to conform you to his image. If you are not born again first. You will never be conformed to the image of God. you will,fail. Your trying to hand God your flithy rags, and for some reason think he will accept tham as your payment for sin. He will not.

those are the facts. It might make you mad, it might make you angry, Then again, it also made the people who also followed your resoning of what God demands, These men were so angry they crucified Christ.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

"I am coming quickly; HOLD FAST what you have, so that no one may rob you and deprive you of your crown!" (Rev3:11)
The final warning from our Lord to Overcomers:
HOLDFAST to what you have, take firm possession of it and hang on securely! Beware lest anyone use trickery & guile to deprive you of eternal life! GUARD what you have as a precious treasure, a pearl of Great price! Protect & secure it from loss. Blessed it the man who hears the Word of God and 'KEEPS' it! (lk11:28) Overcome by the word of your testimony and the Blood of the lamb! (rev12:11)
If you are numbered among the faithful then you know these words are true. However, if you harbor doubt and resentment because these things don't seem to fit into your 'doctrinal' views, your spiritual slumber is almost complete! He who searches the minds, thoughts, feelings and purposes of the inmost heart, KNOWS where you stand. (rev2:23)
Examine yourself today in His Holy Light and prove once and for all He is reigning in your heart and keeping it Pure and upright. Make no excuses, you are only cheating yourself.