MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK...PT.4

[Avinu]

This is the final thread, this info, doesn't even scratch the depths of the evil of catholicism. But to argue on CC is pointless, so let RCC's own words prove it out.

Again green is my words, red is scripture, and black is documentation.

It is no secret that catholicism changed the sabbath from sat. to sun. but here are a few of their own statements concerning the Fourth Commandment of God.

In the book, "Why we keep sunday" by Bishop Seymour,
"We have made the change from the 7th day to the 1st day, from sat. to sun. solely on the authority of Roman Catholic Church."

"You can read the Bible from Gen. to Rev. and you will not find a single line authorizing the sancification of sunday worship, The scriptures enforce the religious observance of saturday, a day which we NEVER sanctify."
James Cardinal Gibbons- The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed) pg. 72-73

"It was the Catholic church which has transferred this rest (the Biblical Sabbath) to the sunday... thus, the observance of sunday by the protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church."
Monsignor Louis Segur "Plain Talk about Protestants of Today" pg. 213

The Catholic Universe Bulletin Aug. 14, 1942:
" The church changed the observance of the Sabbath to sunday by right of the divine infallible authority given her."

"We catholics have precisely the same authority for keeping sunday holy instead of saturday as we have for every other article of our creed, namely the authority of the church, where as you protestants have no authority for it whatever. For ther is no authority for sunday sacredness in the Bible. Both you and we do, in fact, follow tradition in this matter."
Brotherhood of St. Paul, Clifton Tracts, Vol. 4, tract 4, pg. 15

Matt. 15:3 "Why do you transgress the Commandment of God by your tradition?"


"Sunday is our mark of authority, The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."
The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Sept. 1, 1923

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain or interpret even divine laws."
P.F.L. Ferris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, On The Pope


So folks, here in these threads I've posted, I've shown but a smidge of the truth of catholicism, which they themselves are judged by their own words and deeds.

Come out of her my people...

Come out of that great whore who is the bride of satan that is catholicism.

My People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6

Shalom

 

[Red33]

This is the final thread, this info, doesn't even scratch the depths of the evil of catholicism. But to argue on CC is pointless, so let RCC's own words prove it out.

Again green is my words, red is scripture, and black is documentation.

It is no secret that catholicism changed the sabbath from sat. to sun. but here are a few of their own statements concerning the Fourth Commandment of God.

In the book, "Why we keep sunday" by Bishop Seymour,
"We have made the change from the 7th day to the 1st day, from sat. to sun. solely on the authority of Roman Catholic Church."

"You can read the Bible from Gen. to Rev. and you will not find a single line authorizing the sancification of sunday worship, The scriptures enforce the religious observance of saturday, a day which we NEVER sanctify."
James Cardinal Gibbons- The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed) pg. 72-73

"It was the Catholic church which has transferred this rest (the Biblical Sabbath) to the sunday... thus, the observance of sunday by the protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church."
Monsignor Louis Segur "Plain Talk about Protestants of Today" pg. 213

The Catholic Universe Bulletin Aug. 14, 1942:
" The church changed the observance of the Sabbath to sunday by right of the divine infallible authority given her."

"We catholics have precisely the same authority for keeping sunday holy instead of saturday as we have for every other article of our creed, namely the authority of the church, where as you protestants have no authority for it whatever. For ther is no authority for sunday sacredness in the Bible. Both you and we do, in fact, follow tradition in this matter."
Brotherhood of St. Paul, Clifton Tracts, Vol. 4, tract 4, pg. 15

Matt. 15:3 "Why do you transgress the Commandment of God by your tradition?"


"Sunday is our mark of authority, The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."
The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Sept. 1, 1923

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain or interpret even divine laws."
P.F.L. Ferris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, On The Pope


So folks, here in these threads I've posted, I've shown but a smidge of the truth of catholicism, which they themselves are judged by their own words and deeds.

Come out of her my people...

Come out of that great whore who is the bride of satan that is catholicism.

My People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6

Shalom

All of this does nothing for the sake of the gospel nor does it do anything to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. If there are those of the RCC that come to this site because of an honest hunger for God that God has put in their heart, 'your exposee' does nothing to draw them to our Lord and Saviour. What you have communicated may be true in certain aspects but it lacks grace and what is needed to reveal Christ and His doctrine. You can also apply (Hos 4:6) to your people who it was written to. It has an application for all but your people set the example of what not to follow and I defer to those in the wilderness who were under Moses, the cloud and the fire. If you honestly want to reach those in the RCC, I suggest that you 'barnstorm' heaven and petition the mercy and grace of God to open the hearts of those in that system of religion and reveal to them the risen Christ.

 

[RedTent]

What a wonderful amount of research and work, I am sure that it will be used by God to open many eyes to truth, to a closer walk with God. We become part of the Kingdom only through grace and faith, but if that does not lead us to what we do, it is cancelled out. We must obey God, not men.

Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous

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[Laodicea]

This is the final thread, this info, doesn't even scratch the depths of the evil of catholicism. But to argue on CC is pointless, so let RCC's own words prove it out.

Again green is my words, red is scripture, and black is documentation.

It is no secret that catholicism changed the sabbath from sat. to sun. but here are a few of their own statements concerning the Fourth Commandment of God.

In the book, "Why we keep sunday" by Bishop Seymour,
"We have made the change from the 7th day to the 1st day, from sat. to sun. solely on the authority of Roman Catholic Church."

"You can read the Bible from Gen. to Rev. and you will not find a single line authorizing the sancification of sunday worship, The scriptures enforce the religious observance of saturday, a day which we NEVER sanctify."
James Cardinal Gibbons- The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed) pg. 72-73

"It was the Catholic church which has transferred this rest (the Biblical Sabbath) to the sunday... thus, the observance of sunday by the protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church."
Monsignor Louis Segur "Plain Talk about Protestants of Today" pg. 213

The Catholic Universe Bulletin Aug. 14, 1942:
" The church changed the observance of the Sabbath to sunday by right of the divine infallible authority given her."

"We catholics have precisely the same authority for keeping sunday holy instead of saturday as we have for every other article of our creed, namely the authority of the church, where as you protestants have no authority for it whatever. For ther is no authority for sunday sacredness in the Bible. Both you and we do, in fact, follow tradition in this matter."
Brotherhood of St. Paul, Clifton Tracts, Vol. 4, tract 4, pg. 15

Matt. 15:3 "Why do you transgress the Commandment of God by your tradition?"


"Sunday is our mark of authority, The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."
The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Sept. 1, 1923

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain or interpret even divine laws."
P.F.L. Ferris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, On The Pope


So folks, here in these threads I've posted, I've shown but a smidge of the truth of catholicism, which they themselves are judged by their own words and deeds.

Come out of her my people...

Come out of that great whore who is the bride of satan that is catholicism.

My People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6

Shalom

Most of Christendom still keep the day that the Papacy keeps, Sun-Day. They changed the sabbath as the Bible says they would.
Daniel 7:25
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The Papacy overthrew the 3rd kingdom according to the prophecy in 538 AD and the Pope was taken prisoner in 1798, 1260 years as the Prophecy said.
Daniel 7:24
(24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Pope wearing a triple crown showing they conquered 3 nations. In ancient times when a nation conquered another nation they took the crown and put in on the head of the conquering king
2 Samuel 12:29-30
(29) And David gathered all the people together, and went to Rabbah, and fought against it, and took it.
(30) And he took their king's crown from off his head, the weight whereof was a talent of gold with the precious stones: and it was set on David's head. And he brought forth the spoil of the city in great abundance.

 

[Avinu]

Pope wearing a triple crown showing they conquered 3 nations. In ancient times when a nation conquered another nation they took the crown and put in on the head of the conquering king

Can you find any evidence of this. Here is a couple things of what I've found.




The papal tiara originated from a conical Phrygian cap or frigium.[2][3] Shaped like a candle-extinguisher, the papal tiara and the episcopal mitre were identical in their early forms.[

The papal tiara, which in the three-tiered form that it took in the 14th century is also known as the triple tiara, the triple crown or the triregnum (Latin),[1] is a crown that was worn by popes of the Roman Catholic Church from perhaps as early as the 8th century to the 20th. It was last used by Pope Paul VI.

 

[Laodicea]

Can you find any evidence of this. Here is a couple things of what I've found.




The papal tiara originated from a conical Phrygian cap or frigium.[2][3] Shaped like a candle-extinguisher, the papal tiara and the episcopal mitre were identical in their early forms.[

The papal tiara, which in the three-tiered form that it took in the 14th century is also known as the triple tiara, the triple crown or the triregnum (Latin),[1] is a crown that was worn by popes of the Roman Catholic Church from perhaps as early as the 8th century to the 20th. It was last used by Pope Paul VI.

On the devastating defeat of the Ostrogoths in 538 A. D., Thomas Hodgkin remarks:

Some of them [the retreating Goths] must have suspected the melancholy truth that
they had dug one grave deeper and wider than all, the grave of the Gothic
monarchy in Italy.@ (Thomas Hodgkin, Italy and Her Invaders, book 5, chap. 9, last par. [vol. 4, p. 285]).

With the conquest of Rome by Belisarius, the history of the ancient city may be
considered as terminating; and with his defense against Witiges [A. D. 538],
commences the history of the Middle Ages.@ (George Finlay, Greece Under the
Romans, p. 295)

It is important to remember also that historians mark 538 A. D. as the transition between old Imperial Rome and the Rome of the Middle Ages. Notice the words of C. F. Young:

AIt was the last time [when Belisarius entered in 536] that Imperial RomeBthe old
imperial Rome of Italy as distinguished from the new imperial Rome by the
Bosporus, the Rome created by Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Vespasian, Domitian,
Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus, Severus, and CaracallaBwas to be seen by mankind. . .
Rome when it was entered by Belisarius was the Rome that mankind had known
for centuries. . . But this Rome was to be seen no more. When eighteen years later
the Gothic war was ended, a battered ruin was all that remained; classical Rome
had passed away forever, to be succeeded after a time by the squalid and miserable
city which is the Rome of the middle Ages.@ (C. F. Young, East and West Through
Fifteen Centuries, Vol. II, p. 222)

 

[Laodicea]

From the posts that Avinu has put up we can see that the Pope
1) Claims to be God, breaks the 1st commandment.
2) They have idol worship breaking the 2nd commandment
3) They take God's name in vain breaking the 3rd commandment
4) They changed the Sabbath of the Lord to a day with no scriptural authority.

Because of this it makes the Pope the man of sin spoken of in 2 Thessalonians

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From the posts that Avinu has put up we can see that the Pope
1) Claims to be God, breaks the 1st commandment.
2) They have idol worship breaking the 2nd commandment
3) They take God's name in vain breaking the 3rd commandment
4) They changed the Sabbath of the Lord to a day with no scriptural authority.

Because of this it makes the Pope the man of sin spoken of in 2 Thessalonians

I agree with the 3 points. (I am not sure of the 4th. Meeting in church on sunday does not specifically means they changed the sabaath. they met on the first day of the week in the early NT church)

however, the 4th I do not. This person is one man, who is also aided by the false prophet. So it can't be many popes. A pope may be an Antichrist, but not the man of sin, Scripture said there would be many come before the one enters the world view. The pope represents the high priest of Babylon more than he does the man of sin.

 

[Avinu]

(I am not sure of the 4th. Meeting in church on sunday does not specifically means they changed the sabaath. they met on the first day of the week in the early NT church)

The early church never kept sun. until the catholics through constantine outlawed true sabbath keeping.

In the book, "Why we keep sunday" by Bishop Seymour,
"We have made the change from the 7th day to the 1st day, from sat. to sun. solely on the authority of Roman Catholic Church."

Here is just one of so much proof that catholicism thinks they have the authority to change God's word.

Shalom

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The early church never kept sun. until the catholics through constantine outlawed true sabbath keeping.

Acts 20 shows the disciples came together to break bread on first day of the week.. why not saturday?

1 cor 16. Paul tells them to set aside an offering on the first day of the week when they met.

I am not denying if they changed the Sabaath, I am just saying I see no proof. The early churhc met the first day of the week, we can be assured of this.

 

[Laodicea]

Acts 20 shows the disciples came together to break bread on first day of the week.. why not saturday?

1 cor 16. Paul tells them to set aside an offering on the first day of the week when they met.

I am not denying if they changed the Sabaath, I am just saying I see no proof. The early churhc met the first day of the week, we can be assured of this.

Acts 20:7-11
(7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
(8) And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
(9) And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
(10) And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
(11) When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

In the Bible the day starts at sunset
Genesis 1:31
(31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Leviticus 23:32
(32) It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

So then from this when Paul spoke to them on the first day of the week at night that would have been Saturday night and the Bible says they left early the next morning, they did not have worship on Sunday morning. So then from this we can see they kept the Sabbath it went into Saturday night and they left first thing Sunday morning.


1 Corinthians 16:1-2
(1) Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
(2) Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


This text does not say they kept the first day of the week only they prepared and laid in store the collection for the saints, Paul must have been in a hurry and did not want to be held down.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 20:7-11
(7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
(8) And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
(9) And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
(10) And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
(11) When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

In the Bible the day starts at sunset
Genesis 1:31
(31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Leviticus 23:32
(32) It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

So then from this when Paul spoke to them on the first day of the week at night that would have been Saturday night and the Bible says they left early the next morning, they did not have worship on Sunday morning. So then from this we can see they kept the Sabbath it went into Saturday night and they left first thing Sunday morning.


1 Corinthians 16:1-2
(1) Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
(2) Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


This text does not say they kept the first day of the week only they prepared and laid in store the collection for the saints, Paul must have been in a hurry and did not want to be held down.

Acts 20:7-11
(7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The first day of the week is sunday, not saturday, which is the 7th.

The verse starts that "on the first day of the week" which means it started on Sunday morning.

It then continued until midnight.

as for the other one, You would not set aside on the first day of the week to give 6 days later. this makes no sense. And taken with acts 20. it is reasonable to believe they met on the first day of the week.

Just because you meet on the first day of the week does not mean that it replaces Saturday as the sabbath. You can still have a sabbath Saturday, and meet on Sunday.

 

[Laodicea]

I have showed from the Bible that a day starts at sunset, so night on the 1st day of the week in acts 20 is saturday night. The early church kept the sabbath not the 1st day which the papacy changed.

 

[AnandaHya]

what does it mean to be ready to depart on the morrow?

the NKJV translates it as the next day? does the mean that Paul preached from Saturday night till Monday morning? because how can it be the next day if the first day is taken to mean from Saturday night until sunday night?

 

[Abiding]

What was the rest about? ive never ever even understood why there ever has been this debate.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Why does the new testament talk of keeping all nine commandments but never mentions keeping the sabbath?
Maybe that is answered in the only place I can find:

Colossians 2:16 and 17
(16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
(17) These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[Laodicea]

The kjv in acts 20 does not say the next day, it says at the break of day. The kjv is the correct translation.

 

[AnandaHya]

"on the morrow" is in verse 7 not verse 11 ....

Either way why debate it?

it still says THE FIRST DAY was when they were meeting not on the SABBATH day.

What day did Jesus raise from the tomb?

http://bible.cc/acts/20-7.htm

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have showed from the Bible that a day starts at sunset, so night on the 1st day of the week in acts 20 is saturday night. The early church kept the sabbath not the 1st day which the papacy changed.

You did not show that they met saturday night.

what you want us to believe is they met saterday night, then continued until night. that does not make any sense.

they met on the first day, and continued till night. if it was already night, they would not continue until night.

the sabbath day started friday night and ended on saterday night. either way the sabath was over.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The kjv in acts 20 does not say the next day, it says at the break of day. The kjv is the correct translation.

vs 7 says paul was ready to depart literally "on the morrow" or on the next day.

vs 11 states when he left. on the break of day, which according to vs seven was the next day.

This shows Luke wrote using roman time, and not hebrew time, because in hebrew time, it would still be the same day.

vs 7: The next day in greek:

ἐπ-αύριον, adv. of time, i. q. ἐπʼ αὔριον, on the morrow; in the N. T. τῇ ἐπαύριον, sc. ἡμέρᾳ, the next day, on the morrow:

Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (229). New York: Harper & Brothers.

 

[Laodicea]

There is no commandment in all the Bible that says to keep the 1st day holy as the Sabbath. Read Acts the Apostles always kept the Sabbath of the Lord they did not change the day. Only God can change the Sabbath. We can meet for worship any day of the week But, the Sabbath of the Lord does not change and it is a sin not to keep it.