Wow, this is a blessed day, I not only get to discuss a legalistic gospel based on works, But a licentious gospel based on lack of repentance. All in successive posts.
Like the legalist who claims they do not teach works. Just because you refuse to admit you say as much, What you say and what you profess to not have done does not line up.
and before I go on, I would just like you to know you just exposed yourself. those in here who have seen me post have heard me say what you are about to claim I have never said many times. Thus they can see your false claims and insincerity. I know you have read them also. In fact I did it not to long ago. But you can't see it because your blinded by your belief, and in being so only see things you think you can counter attack, but are blinded to the things whihc would prove you wrong, so you put your foot in your mouth by using the very thing you fail to see, to try to expose someone, and in doing so, hurt yourself.
Do I need to repeat myself? How many times have I stated this? what does scripture say about those who are not God?
1. They hate God, do you still hate God and think his laws are unbearable and unwarrented and wrong?
or have you learned to understand Gods laws are just and he is a righteous God who has every right to impose his law on us, and also impose his judgment to all who break those laws? (repented)
2. They do not know they are sinners. Do you still think you are a basically good person, and God is not going to judge you because your not a sinner like the murderers and thief's and rapists?
or Do you admit it is your sin which separates you from God, no matter how minor or insignificant you think that sin may be(repented)
3. They try to get to God on their own terms. Are you trying to get to God by being good (the law) by your good deeds (sacraments or other religious works) and by stopping sin?
or have you admitted there is nothing you can do to make up for the sin you have already committed to make yourself right with God, let alone the sin you will commit from the time you say you are saved until the day you die? (repented)
I have just stated 3 of the basic things we all must repent of before we can come to faith in Christ. there are many many more.
Who is it that scripture tells us convicts us of sin righteousness and judgment which leads to repentance? or to no excuse?
If it did not happen, I never would have placed my faith in the loving, righteous and justice of God and come to his saving faith, I would still be lost in my sin, or playing some religious game thinking I was saved, but no more saved than anyone else who did not come to the knowledge of God and repented.
Everyone comes to a point that they doubt, As scripture says, we all have little faith in many areas, And you just exposed yourself again. How can you read what I type and sit here and ask my if I have returned to something I repented of? Here you go thinking repent means to feel sorrow for or ask forgiveness for. when it has nothing to do with the word. Scripture states all over the place Gods laws are written in our hearts. The HS convicts the whole world of Gods laws. How can I repent of sexual sin, when I already know in my heart it is a sin? If I already KNOW it is sin, then I already agree with God it is sin, so I can't repent of that sin. It is not repenting of personal sins which brings us to saving faith, it is repenting of the fact we are sinners, and are lost without the grace of God based solely on the death of his son on the cross.
Drug addicts are not healed in a moment of time, Neither neither are people who are addicted to anything which is sinful. Many struggle with it most of their lives, and may even fall back into it, But it does not mean they are not saved, If they have to stop to be saved we are teaching law. But it does not mean there will NOT be a change in their lives, that other sin areas which do not have such a major grasp are not taken care of. That their attitude towards God and his love and commands are not acted on. That their pride and selfishness is not changed. God says we will see a change in ones life. He does not say we will be sinless. As paul said, He was a wretched man, because even he struggles with sin, But even though he continues to sin, no one can deny the change in his life.
1. you don't know what repentance is by stating what you just stated you proved it.
2. God knows our heart the moment we trust him, He knows if we have repented, or have just mere belief, it is up to God not you or me to say who is saved or who is not.
3. Your stuck on personal sin, of which we all struggle, and not seeing what true repentance which leads to faith is. Like those I just spoke to who are legalists who think I am licentious, Your argument is based against them and their false teaching, and not against me. Because like them, it is your pride which refuses to allow you to see what I and those like me teach, you claim we believe as they do when it is obvious to the everyone with an open heart we do not.
Well I just proved you wrong. I just did, and have done many times over, what you just condemned me for not doing. Do you feel good making false accusations against people? and how do you feel being shown you do not listen to what people say, because if you did, you would not make these accusations against him, only to have them thrown back at you?
Actually I am under 5 pastor teachers, and many other elders in my church, who not only disciple me, but I disciple many others. I am a pastor myself in my home church, and have submited myself not only to the main elders, but the main leader in my home group, who not only have the authority to rebuke me if I teach in error. But can remove me from teaching if I do not submit to their authority and just teach what I want. Again, you prove you do not know me one iota. and have again placed yourself in a position of making false accusations because you refuse to get to know someone.
And you just proved you do not even know what grace is. NO ONE DESERVES GRACE! So how could I give grace to anyone who least deserve it when no one does? Not only do you not understand what true repentance is, you do not even understand what Grace is. How can anyone take you serious of having knowledge of God and the gospel at all when you do not even understand the two most important aspects of the gospel of Christ?
And here we go. As I have said probably 100 times in this forum. The licentious call me legalistic and the legalist calls me licentious. you have proved me right in so many areas with this one post. I would thank you for that, But I can;t take credit, it all goes to God.
1. All sin is wicked, here you go again proving you do not understand even this most basic points of doctrine and the gospel of Christ.
2. Judge not lest ye be judged. I can not save someone unless I show them grace first. Without Christ, they can not change.
3. Salvation is not based on repenting of each and every personal sin, it is repenting of the fact we are all sinners. and not one person, no matter how good the world may think they are, are deserving of eternal life.
4. We all struggle with sin, God tells us how to deal with it. And judgment or sever punishment is the LAST thing we are told to do.
5. Once again you prove you have utterly no clue what I believe, and are stuck, like the legalist, on what you believe and was taught, which is why in this one post alone you have made accusations which are unfounded, Unprovoked, and outright wrong, because when yuo read my posts, you read what you want to read, and see what you want to see, because your blinded by your own false belief system where you think you are right and everyone else is wrong.
I pray you repent one day and realism what true grace really is,. Undeserved merit. And what it is not, A license to continue in sin.