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Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven,to ask Him,and He will do it.
Joh 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
But here Jesus says when He resurrects to heaven,to not ask Him anything,but ask the Father,which He was talking to the disciples,so it is not a future event.
The saints do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus anything,like they would deal with Jesus while on earth,but when He resurrects to heaven they can go to Jesus as God and ask Him,and He will do it.
But what do you do about ask only the Father.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it,as God,and do not ask Him,but only ask the Father,and He will do it,as the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said we only ask the Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven,to ask Him,and He will do it.
Joh 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
But here Jesus says when He resurrects to heaven,to not ask Him anything,but ask the Father,which He was talking to the disciples,so it is not a future event.
The saints do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus anything,like they would deal with Jesus while on earth,but when He resurrects to heaven they can go to Jesus as God and ask Him,and He will do it.
But what do you do about ask only the Father.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it,as God,and do not ask Him,but only ask the Father,and He will do it,as the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus said we only ask the Father.
People are fixating on the Oil but the main point is the light they have. The five foolish virgins are not saved Christians
They are people who have heard the gospel and have not acted on it. They are still unsaved. The Oil plays the same role as the seed does in the parable of the sower where the seed falls in different places and only some produce grain. The fact that the bridegroom never knew them proves that they were never part of the bride.
They are people who have heard the gospel and have not acted on it. They are still unsaved. The Oil plays the same role as the seed does in the parable of the sower where the seed falls in different places and only some produce grain. The fact that the bridegroom never knew them proves that they were never part of the bride.
I don't know what the jars and oil mean. If you want to see what I understand from this parable, read post 142. I don't analyse each element of the parable and try to find a spiritual correspondent to it so I don't know if oil means Holy Spirit, the word of god or faith.
The main idea is that some people feel so confident and comfortable with their status that they stop being vigilent and they neglect their relation with God.
We shouldn't treat the covenant with god lightly, like it is a joke or something.
If in the parable of the ten virgins the five foolish make error by taking the risk of not bringing enough oil, in the parable that follows, the third man makes the mistake of being too precautious, too scared of making an investment (because investment supposes a certain amount of risk) and burries the bag of gold.
So, I understand that sometimes precaution is the way to go while other times being precautious and not taking risks is a way to perdition.
The main idea is that some people feel so confident and comfortable with their status that they stop being vigilent and they neglect their relation with God.
We shouldn't treat the covenant with god lightly, like it is a joke or something.
If in the parable of the ten virgins the five foolish make error by taking the risk of not bringing enough oil, in the parable that follows, the third man makes the mistake of being too precautious, too scared of making an investment (because investment supposes a certain amount of risk) and burries the bag of gold.
So, I understand that sometimes precaution is the way to go while other times being precautious and not taking risks is a way to perdition.
I agree. We try to draw out too much form the detail of the parable. Initially they were people who had listened to Jesus and followed Him. The difference between the wise and the foolish was that the wise were ready for Jesus' coming and the foolish were not. Those with oil in their lamps were those had believed and received the words of Jesus. Those without oil had not received it. They were those who followed Him for the wrong reason. He had never 'known' them.
I think that in both parables, the "don'ts" are commited by the pharisees. They are like the foolish virgins because they feel secure and confident in their religion. Why should they be precautious? Aren't they the chosen people of God? In the second parable as well, Israel was called to be light for the other nations, instead what do they do with the light? They bury it and keep it for themselves.
...........The foolish virgins are those who refuse the light of Jesus while appearing to accept it. There were only about 7000 Pharisees not many came in contact with Jesus.. But there were tens of 1,000s who believed in His words only in their heads. Jesus was challenging individuals. The third man was an individual within Israel, not Israel.
M
Interesting reading through this discussion because, for one thing, any of you PreTribbers ought to be insisting that none of this applies to you. This parable is about those who are struggling to walk through the darkness that follows the Abomination of Desolation.
PreTribbers believe they will be long gone, up to the glory-land. None of this has anything to do with them, so they should insist. Other than just a vague, generic application. But this parable has a very specific application: How to proceed following the abomination of desolation.
PreTribbers believe they will be long gone, up to the glory-land. None of this has anything to do with them, so they should insist. Other than just a vague, generic application. But this parable has a very specific application: How to proceed following the abomination of desolation.
Lol...I am definitely not implying that people of the world are waiting for Jesus - I think some of the body of Christ are scared of the Lord's coming because of faulty teaching and some have just given up trying to live the Christian life out of frustration.
But it is true that Jesus is the savior of the world - especially of believers that know the gospel.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
The world is reconciled as far as God is concerned now they need to reconcile themselves to God.
2 Corinthians 5:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
But it is true that Jesus is the savior of the world - especially of believers that know the gospel.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
The world is reconciled as far as God is concerned now they need to reconcile themselves to God.
2 Corinthians 5:18-20 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
strange am i reading this wrong , saviour or is it any guess will do. do you have any idea what the saviour done for you.
The world is reconciled as far as God is concerned now they need to reconcile themselves to God.(your quote)
"6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.
"John 14: I Am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life
who did the saviour reconcile you too.( 3,16 john)
may be i miss read what your trying to say here.
The world is reconciled as far as God is concerned now they need to reconcile themselves to God.(your quote)
"6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.
"John 14: I Am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life
who did the saviour reconcile you too.( 3,16 john)
may be i miss read what your trying to say here.