I uniquely position my self in both camps to test fit.
First i do post trib position.
The word says all take the mark of the ac.
So right off there are no belivers making it very far into the trib.
Mat 25 has 5 believers left behind at the rapture.
Mat 24 has the same quotant.
Only the 144k JEWS are sealed against the flying scorpions.
Only Jews left on the earth, no church....unless you think the christians are getting stung.( no seal)
Then we see Jesus in harvesting his bride several times.
NONE are postrib!!!!
EVERY TIME it is a pretrib rapture.
First i do post trib position.
The word says all take the mark of the ac.
So right off there are no belivers making it very far into the trib.
Mat 25 has 5 believers left behind at the rapture.
Mat 24 has the same quotant.
Only the 144k JEWS are sealed against the flying scorpions.
Only Jews left on the earth, no church....unless you think the christians are getting stung.( no seal)
Then we see Jesus in harvesting his bride several times.
NONE are postrib!!!!
EVERY TIME it is a pretrib rapture.
1) Saying *all* take the mark of the Beast is a generalized statements without specification. In other words, it's a kind of "universalist" statement that was meant to be applied not universally, but only universally within the stated context. Since Antichrist's Empire is limited to 10 states in Europe, it is *his policy* within his dominion to impose this requirement, and only those who are within reach of his police state. Obviously, Christians resist, which is the entire *purpose* of the book--to encourage resistance. Praise is offered for those who resist, meaning that the Church is obviously still on earth within the Antichristian Empire!
2) Matt 25 will have to be addressed later.
3) Matt 24 is oftten miscontrued with respect to those "taken" and those "left behind." It is my conviction that both parties are "taken" in judgment by the Romans. The Romans conquered Jerusalem, destroyed the temple, and either took captive the Jews or left a few to keep the fields for them. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Rapture. This is easily discernible by viewing Luke's version--Luke 17.
Then we have Jesus putting up a pretrib rapture bilboard.
....with 2 powerful escape verses
......and 2 powerful pretrib escapes in history. ( lot and noah).
....with 2 powerful escape verses
......and 2 powerful pretrib escapes in history. ( lot and noah).
Then DURING THE TRIB Jesus comes in the clouds and harvests ripe fruit Jews.....during the trib.( rev 14)
Now 1 thes 4 has the dead rising BEFORE THE LIVING.
Postrib doctrine was started by a confused early church that saw NO ISRAEL,and the jewish race scattered into a non end time entity. They were out of the picture.
So how ironic that the ones hollering Darby and svoffield are the ACTUAL ones in the deception of...you got it....early church fathers deception
So how ironic that the ones hollering Darby and svoffield are the ACTUAL ones in the deception of...you got it....early church fathers deception
This was the whole basis of the Olivet Discourse, the concern by Jesus' Disciples that if Jerusalem was to be destroyed, how on earth can God's promises for Israel be fulfilled? But Jesus answered that by reaffirming that he would come back to destroy the antichristian control over this world, and to restore the rightful rule of his people. Both the Church and national Israel would be sustained.
It wasn't just the Early Church that was Postrib. The Reformation was also Postrib. Pretrib for the most part hasn't existed in Christian history until the time of Darby. Pretrib is a modern novel doctrine--something you should seriously question. Is it even in the Scriptures? Certainly not! It has to be "read into" the Bible. It has to be *assumed.* This is *not* legitimate Bible interpretation.
Postrib ORIGINATED in the prism of a destroyed israel....deception big time.Many of those early believers were also amil.
( honestly they were in a powerful deceptive time frame and got it wrong...very wrong...but i dont know that i would have been decieved also)
Also ironic that darby and others picked up on the enlightened few that saw israel becoming a nation changed the way we view prophecy.
Now for pretrib rapture.
Rev 19 has the church bride becoming the wife in heaven. The wedding supper in heaven according to Jesus.
Then factor in my verses above, in the postrib model.
No brainer
Pretrib rapture.
Not convinced?
Now look at the several comings that postrib adherents try to force fit into a single coming after the gt.
Again pretrib rapture is bullet proof.
The easiest of all doctrines to defend.
We need no extra biblical anything to defend it.
Postrib rapture adherents can not make a case without invoking dead men. Postrib doctrine is 100% man centered and tribulation centered.
You will never, ever see a postribber invoking the Bride/ groom dimension.
Never happens.
Strangely.....the rapture is the groom gathering the bride.
( honestly they were in a powerful deceptive time frame and got it wrong...very wrong...but i dont know that i would have been decieved also)
Also ironic that darby and others picked up on the enlightened few that saw israel becoming a nation changed the way we view prophecy.
Now for pretrib rapture.
Rev 19 has the church bride becoming the wife in heaven. The wedding supper in heaven according to Jesus.
Then factor in my verses above, in the postrib model.
No brainer
Pretrib rapture.
Not convinced?
Now look at the several comings that postrib adherents try to force fit into a single coming after the gt.
Again pretrib rapture is bullet proof.
The easiest of all doctrines to defend.
We need no extra biblical anything to defend it.
Postrib rapture adherents can not make a case without invoking dead men. Postrib doctrine is 100% man centered and tribulation centered.
You will never, ever see a postribber invoking the Bride/ groom dimension.
Never happens.
Strangely.....the rapture is the groom gathering the bride.