FreeGrace2 said:
Which verse shows that resurrected/raptured believefrs are taken back to the Father's house?
if you can't show any verse, you can't make that claim. The Bible would say it if will occur. Why not?
I have been.
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." - John 14:1-3
No it isn't. Here comes some teaching. I hope you are paying attention.
When Jesus spoke the words of Jn 14:1-3 He hadn't died or been resurrected yet. So when He said "I am going there to preprare a place for you" He was speaking about WHEN he was raised from the dead and then return to the Father. Real simple.
Now, this is important: The next sentence doesn't refer to a rapture and taking anyone to heaven. Read it carefully.
So, what does He say? He says He will go to heaven to prepare a place for them (because they all would die physically and go to heaven). iow, He was guaranteeing to them a place in heaven when they die. That's all.
and what follows is clear: He says He will come back (Second Advent) and "take you to be with Me" (nothing about being taken to heaven as so many assume).
Those who have read my post above know that I understand more than you, apparently.
Go ahead and explain how any of this list proves or shows a pretrib rapture.
Don't forget to include all that assumption, presumption and guessing to mix in.
What pretribbers need is a verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven. Do you have any? No, you don't.
That's actually a good analogy for the pretibbers making claims of Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven when there are NO verses that make that claim.
Which verse shows that resurrected/raptured believefrs are taken back to the Father's house?
if you can't show any verse, you can't make that claim. The Bible would say it if will occur. Why not?
I have been.
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." - John 14:1-3
No it isn't. Here comes some teaching. I hope you are paying attention.
When Jesus spoke the words of Jn 14:1-3 He hadn't died or been resurrected yet. So when He said "I am going there to preprare a place for you" He was speaking about WHEN he was raised from the dead and then return to the Father. Real simple.
Now, this is important: The next sentence doesn't refer to a rapture and taking anyone to heaven. Read it carefully.
So, what does He say? He says He will go to heaven to prepare a place for them (because they all would die physically and go to heaven). iow, He was guaranteeing to them a place in heaven when they die. That's all.
and what follows is clear: He says He will come back (Second Advent) and "take you to be with Me" (nothing about being taken to heaven as so many assume).
You still don't understand:
-Daniels 70 weeks prophecy
-The mystery of the Church
-The fullness of the Gentiles
-the DOTL
-The marriage symbolism of the last supper
-The specific nature and identity of the Bride of Christ, and Jesus usage of marriage symbolism
-The mystery of the Church
-The fullness of the Gentiles
-the DOTL
-The marriage symbolism of the last supper
-The specific nature and identity of the Bride of Christ, and Jesus usage of marriage symbolism
A full and complete understanding of these topics and presto you've got a pre-trib rapture, earthly millennial kingdom, reconstitution of Israel, all biblical covenants and prophecies are completely fulfilled. And maximum glory to God and the Lamb.
What pretribbers need is a verse showing Jesus taking raptured believers to heaven. Do you have any? No, you don't.
However if you DO NOT understand these topics.......you've got hapless posters running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail. For hundreds of pages.