Daniels 4 beasts

[eternally-gratefull]

4 Gentile Beasts

Dan 2

Head - Gold Babylon
Chest and arms - Silver - belly and thighs bronze - media persia
legs - iron - Rome
feet - iron and clay - Rome 2


Concerning the 4th beast Legs of Iron)

1. Will crush all other kingdoms, and power and territory will excede all of the other kingdoms. (History shows Rome fulfilled this not only in area of the kingdom, but in the number of years she held power)

2. It was this kingdom which was in power during the time of Christ, during the time of the writing of revelation. and in 70 ad, It had one king (vespacian) and its power was at its fullest. The people of this king destroyed the city of jerusalam and its temple. (titus) who at the death of vespacian, became king of rome, proving that in this time, we were still under the 4th or roman kingdom of iron.

3. At sometime in history, will splinter into ten kingdom or ten parts

4. Will be divided but still have the strength of the original kingdom

5. partly strong and partly fragile (divided as it is not one kingdom in unity, but many kingdoms, which which will not adhere to one another (be in unity)

6. Christ himself (the stone) will destroy this kingdom (Stone hits the feet, which crush them) destroying this kingdom. causes all the gentile kingdome to crumble and fall, destroying all the gentile kingdoms (the statue) which was seen by nebechadnezzar. Leaving no trace of them behind (the end of Gentile dominion)

7. When the final kingdom (iron and clay) is destroyed, God himself will set up his kingdom, which will never be destroyed.

So what we have is this, in this shorter vision daniel is exposed to (a much greater one will come later)

1. only 4 kingdoms were in power up till Christ, the same 4th kingdom destroyed the city and temple.
2. History shows when Rome fell, it was divided into two parts (not ten) and then fell off the map.
3. Up until this day, there has been no nation which has had ten kings, which has part of the power of rome (iron) and part of the power of man (clay) thus, already in just the 2nd chapter of daniel, we have introduced a prophetic gap between the time the 4th kingdom suffered its mortal wound (died) and the restoration of that kingdom in a fractured way (iron and clay)
4. The final kingdom will be crushed by God himself, at that time, Gods kingdom will be established which will never be destroyed.

dan 7
Lion with eagles wings - Babylon, we are told wings were plucked off (lost its power) and made to stand like a man. Nebachadnezar lost his power. and made to crawl like an animal later, stood up again and regained his power (after confessing one God)

bear, standing up on one side - Media Persia -two sided bear, One stronger than the other, History showed the medes were weaker power, Persia untied with them, and was much stronger. In fact most historians call this the perisan empire, 3 ribs = 3 kingdoms destroyed by the persions, They egyptian, assyrian and babylonian empires were taken by this power

leapard - 4 wings and 4 heads - greek - one power splintered into 4 when Alexander the great died at a young age.

Concerning the 4th beast;
1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)
2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

what we see here is a more detailed vision which goes into greater detail than the basic one of daniel 2 of the 4th beast, Chapter 8 goes into greater detail of the second two empires The interpretation given is mostly concerning the 4th beast, which was great and terrible. What we also see is another example of a prophetic gap between the original roman empire, and the reformed roman ten king empire, however, this gap is made more clear here as we will see.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

According to the interpretation we are told this about the reformed empire;

1. 10 horns are ten kings, which will arise out of the original beast
2. another will arise (the little horn)
3. he will subdue three of the kings and these kingdoms will be added to his kingdom (leaving 7 kingdoms)
4. shall speak blasphemies against the most high God
5. change times and laws
6. Shall gain control of the whole earth
7. saints are given to him, and he will persecute them for times time and half a time (3 1/2 years)
8. slain at the end by Christ and sent to burning flame
9. Kingdom given to the Christ, and all men and nations and languages shall serve him.

Who is this Little horn? Do we see him again spoken of in prophesy?

Beast of revelation, given to John .

Ch 13:
1. Had characteristics of all of daniels beasts (leopard, bear and Lion) and is itself the 4th beast
2. Given power by satan himself (son of perdition)
3. Was mortally wounded (lost his power) but was restored to life (Rome died, and even though many have tried to revive it, No one has succeeded, Satan will revive this power)
4. Spoke pompous words (blasphemies)
5. Given power for 42 months (3 ½ years)
6. Given power to persecute the saints of God
7. Power is greater than any previous empire. As it is worldwide in scope (every tribe, language and nation were given to his hand) how many more ways can God say worldwide, every human alive at this time will be under his power.

Ch 17:
1. Was (had power) is not (lost power) will ascend out of the abyss (powered by Satan himself) will be destroyed (perdition)
2. 7 kings, 5 have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, media-persia, Greece. One is (rome) and one is yet to come (Rome 2 or iron and clay)
3. He will continue a short time
4. 10 kingdom nation (splintered, they will give power to the beast, but will not be unified.
5. Will make war with God himself (the saints) but will be destroyed by the lamb

Rev 19
1. Beast and worlds armies gather together to make war with the lamb
2. Christ defeats beast and worlds armies (so many bodies are left in this battle that birds feast on them for months)
3. Beast is captured, and thrown to the fire

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will is cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)
4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)

since all of these events, until recent history, have been impossible to be fulfilled, or even have not been fulfilled yet. There had to have been a prophetic gap imposed on all these visions (which would include the vision and prophesy of Daniel 9 and his 70 weeks) which would prove, that dan 9 is NOT THE ONLY prophetic gap as seen in the visions and prophesies of Daniel.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

*1 Rome was the power in Jesus's day - Ceasar calling himself the son of god
*2 The tabernacle was blasphemed from the time of the Maccabees revolt, til the time of Jesus whipping the money changers
*3 Jesus's ministry was ~ 3-1/2 years, then his death, then his resurrection
*4 ~3-1/2 years later, Stephen sought to preach religion in the temple and was killed with the oversight and approval of Saul the Pharisee

*5 Shortly thereafter Saul the Pharisee fell from his high horse and the scales of deception were removed from his eyes -- The beginning of the end of Pharisaical rule, the beginning of the end of the temple
*6 Paul and Peter ministered to [and died in] Rome
*7 ~35 years later, the temple fell, a third of Jerusalem fell by the sword, the Sanhedrin was disbanded, and all of Israel was laid to siege. Rome Burned and Nero killed himself
*8 ~35 years after this, John completed his vision and the book of Revelation, laying out the model for all time - saying what had occurred, and what was to come, and declaring 'even so, come Lord Jesus...'

THE WEEK WAS COMPLETE ... The temple fell IN THAT GENERATION as Jesus foretold

The rest are details that we can discuss one at a time as you like it.


What happens after that is, that many continue on in the New Testament church, while many fight to restore a temple and maintain religion. Jesus judges the churches in Revelation, warning, admonishing, encouraging and later says, '... come out of her my people, be not partakers of her sins ... '


There is no denying that Religion has been a dominant force since that time, much of it a church-state type religion and is that way today. There is also little denying that war and death and suffering have continued til this day, purging man as he falls into the falseness of man's religions, suffering over and over again due to the practices of the religious establishments.


Such things are simply a reflection of the unwillingness of man to submit to the new testament church, demanding building and idol worship and false headships of men. This is not a 'gap-theory' that scripture subscribes to, but rather that man continues to reject messiah, and has done so for 2000 years, with its attendant war and fear and fighting and suffering. To subscribe to, to demand the practices of these systems is not to partake of a messianic plan at all, but rather a kabbalistic plan to continue to deceive many, as partakers in --- THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks for your response. However, I find many issues with it.

1. The 3 1/2 years is given to the feet of iron and clay, They little horn who comes out after the ten nation already began and were established. Thus it could not be in the time of Christ, because we are still under the legs of Iron, not yet to the kingdom of the feet.

2. The abomination was said to happen in this same time, by the little horn. Who could not have been in the time of Christ or the apostles.


lets start here. before we move to the rest

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Some say the ten nations are named in Psalm 83 (verses 6-8) f the ten nations which have evidently formed a coalition against Israel, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, Moab, the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, Amalek, the Philistines, Tyre, and Assyria. Nevertheless, the Antichrist takes away 3 of the 10 horns’ power, subdues them, and then divides up (assigns, distributes) their lands, for a price (loyalty) [cf. Daniel 11:39, 41]. Thus, the territories of the Edomites, Moabites, and Ammonites (now modern-day Jordan) only will go to those rulers under the Antichrist who are not his antagonists.


The little horn was then and is now Rome. Ceasar calling himself the son of God and Jesus being tried before Pilate, Paul and Peter ministering to and dieing in Rome and etc, etc. Note that Rome (as well as the UK and a movement in France with a small but growing push in the USA) is accepting Islam and looking more and more like the acceptance of Sharia law which can be the precursor to Talmudic Pharisaism creeping in. Note Paul's complaint of being persecuted by Ishmael etc ...


Of course, since the time of Revelation, the world has grown and seen Catholicism and Islam spreading and the regions of the world being set up into various divisions. We can discuss this next if any of the above makes sense ...


there have been proposed intermediate maps of the ten regions (after those mentioned in Psalms above), and again, after the Roman empire as a state was broken up ... here is one intermediate map:

I look forward to your considered reply ...

 

[Laodicea]

The 10 horns came out of the 4th beast so are Roman in origin. The 4th beast is Pagan Rome so the 10 horns come out of Pagan Rome so the timing of the 10 horns or 10 toes in Daniel 2 would mean they came up about the time Pagan Rome fell which was 476 AD.

 

[peterT]

The 10 horns came out of the 4th beast so are Roman in origin. The 4th beast is Pagan Rome so the 10 horns come out of Pagan Rome so the timing of the 10 horns or 10 toes in Daniel 2 would mean they came up about the time Pagan Rome fell which was 476 AD.

The problem with that Laodicea is the ten horns/ten kings give their power and strength to the beast In the last days, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Rv17:12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13T hese have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[Laodicea]

The problem with that Laodicea is the ten horns/ten kings give their power and strength to the beast In the last days, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Rv17:12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13T hese have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

According to how the prophecy of Daniel 7 is working that is the timing of the 10 horns, to say otherwise is to misinterpret Daniel 7. The first beast is Babylon immediately after came Medo-Persia, when they fell immediately after came Greece, when they fell immediately after came Rome. So according to how the prophecy is working then immediately after Pagan Rome fell in 476 AD we should see the 10 horns mentioned in Daniel 7.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some say the ten nations are named in Psalm 83 (verses 6-8) f the ten nations which have evidently formed a coalition against Israel, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, Moab, the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, Amalek, the Philistines, Tyre, and Assyria. Nevertheless, the Antichrist takes away 3 of the 10 horns’ power, subdues them, and then divides up (assigns, distributes) their lands, for a price (loyalty) [cf. Daniel 11:39, 41]. Thus, the territories of the Edomites, Moabites, and Ammonites (now modern-day Jordan) only will go to those rulers under the Antichrist who are not his antagonists.


The little horn was then and is now Rome. Ceasar calling himself the son of God and Jesus being tried before Pilate, Paul and Peter ministering to and dieing in Rome and etc, etc. Note that Rome (as well as the UK and a movement in France with a small but growing push in the USA) is accepting Islam and looking more and more like the acceptance of Sharia law which can be the precursor to Talmudic Pharisaism creeping in. Note Paul's complaint of being persecuted by Ishmael etc ...

How can this be? The little horn comes AFTER the legs of iron, after the romen empire crumbles. It becomes a ten kingdom ampire.. And it is when this ten kingdom empire is formed that the little horn comes out and destroys three.

How can it be rome and ceasar? Ceasar is one king. he would be the legs of Iron, not the ten toed, or ten horned kingdom.

Finally, Ceasar did not OWN the whole world. again, read daniel 7. This beast will devour the whole earth. And it says the saints of God (Not Isreal, but those who are born again)

And why does everyone want to speak of Islam or Judaism? Niether of these two religions will be alibe under the little king. HE MAKES HIS OWN LAWS. AND MAKES EVERYONE FOLLOW HIM.. ALL RELIGIOSN WILL BE CRUSHED

Of course, since the time of Revelation, the world has grown and seen Catholicism and Islam spreading and the regions of the world being set up into various divisions. We can discuss this next if any of the above makes sense ...


there have been proposed intermediate maps of the ten regions (after those mentioned in Psalms above), and again, after the Roman empire as a state was broken up ... here is one intermediate map:

I look forward to your considered reply ...

why would we want to look at this? the little horn declares HIMSELF as the messiah? catholisim and islam will be crushed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The 10 horns came out of the 4th beast so are Roman in origin. The 4th beast is Pagan Rome so the 10 horns come out of Pagan Rome so the timing of the 10 horns or 10 toes in Daniel 2 would mean they came up about the time Pagan Rome fell which was 476 AD.

it can be that way, However, remember, Prophesy looks forward and saw two events. 1 was rome. the second was the reformed rome of ten kingdoms. When you are looking forward at two events. You will not see if there is anything inbetween, because your looking at a straight line.

The ten kingdom aspect of rome was given characteristics. which NO KINGDOM since rome fell has had. Not to mention. Not to mention, the things we were told will happen then has not happened yet.

the first 4 (up to rome) were LITERALLY fulfilled to every detail. why do we want to symbolise what we are told the last kingdom will do and not take it literally like the first 4??

 

[peterT]

According to how the prophecy of Daniel 7 is working that is the timing of the 10 horns, to say otherwise is to misinterpret Daniel 7. The first beast is Babylon immediately after came Medo-Persia, when they fell immediately after came Greece, when they fell immediately after came Rome. So according to how the prophecy is working then immediately after Pagan Rome fell in 476 AD we should see the 10 horns mentioned in Daniel 7.

Yes but Jesus comes back at the end of the image “the stone” in Daniel 2 were the ten toes are.
Jesus didn’t come back in 476 AD the ten kings must be at the end, like the ten toes at the end.

 

[Laodicea]

Yes but Jesus comes back at the end of the image “the stone” in Daniel 2 were the ten toes are.
Jesus didn’t come back in 476 AD the ten kings must be at the end, like the ten toes at the end.

According to the prophecy the 10 toes or kings begins when the 4th ends which was 476 AD are Roman in origin and continue until Jesus returns.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

According to the prophecy the 10 toes or kings begins when the 4th ends which was 476 AD are Roman in origin and continue until Jesus returns.

Actually, according to the prophesy, we are not told when the 10 toes occures. just that it is sometime after the roman empire crumbles.

We are also told the scope and length of the little horns reign, which would be the whole world and every nation, tribe and language, and 3 1/2 years.

 

[Laodicea]

Actually, according to the prophesy, we are not told when the 10 toes occures. just that it is sometime after the roman empire crumbles.

We are also told the scope and length of the little horns reign, which would be the whole world and every nation, tribe and language, and 3 1/2 years.

Because the kingdoms in the prophesy rose immediatly after the preceeding fell then the 10 horns rose immediatly after Rome fell in 476 AD. That is how the prophesy is working.

 

[peterT]

According to the prophecy the 10 toes or kings begins when the 4th ends which was 476 AD are Roman in origin and continue until Jesus returns.

It’s nice to see you have the ten kings or toes and the stone being Jesus at the end when He comes.

It’s funny how we have all done different Math to get to that.

I am more inclined to think along smiler paths as eternally-gratefull does no this.
But without the knowledge of history and history books I come to the same conclusion, that the ten toes are the ten kings, and it’s Jesus “the stone” in the image at the end of the world in Daniel 2.

How in earth do Christians get the stone in the image as being the birth of Jesus is beyond me.

For the church age is the clay in the feet, so how is Jesus’s birth after the church age.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because the kingdoms in the prophesy rose immediatly after the preceeding fell then the 10 horns rose immediatly after Rome fell in 476 AD. That is how the prophesy is working.

it does not say immediately. we know the other ones are immediate because each preceding empire takes over the previous. we are not told this about the last two. thus to say it is immediate would only be inserting our opinion without a basis of fact.

thus you have to go to other areas.. so tell me.. what ten kingdoms have been in power since that time and are still in power today? Scripture says the little horn comes out from among those kingdoms (meaning they still have power when he comes to power to subdue three of them) thus they would still have to be on power. I see no proof that some ten kingdom roman empire has been in power for the last 1500 years.. so why would they not be in power? maybe because they were not seen? why do you think the church was called a mystery? because it was not seen. yet we know the little horn has not come to power yet.. so would this mystery not be because we could not see the gap by looking in the straight line of prophetic utterance?

 

[loveme1]

Some say the ten nations are named in Psalm 83 (verses 6-8) f the ten nations which have evidently formed a coalition against Israel, the Edomites, the Ishmaelites, Moab, the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, Amalek, the Philistines, Tyre, and Assyria. Nevertheless, the Antichrist takes away 3 of the 10 horns’ power, subdues them, and then divides up (assigns, distributes) their lands, for a price (loyalty) [cf. Daniel 11:39, 41]. Thus, the territories of the Edomites, Moabites, and Ammonites (now modern-day Jordan) only will go to those rulers under the Antichrist who are not his antagonists.


The little horn was then and is now Rome. Ceasar calling himself the son of God and Jesus being tried before Pilate, Paul and Peter ministering to and dieing in Rome and etc, etc. Note that Rome (as well as the UK and a movement in France with a small but growing push in the USA) is accepting Islam and looking more and more like the acceptance of Sharia law which can be the precursor to Talmudic Pharisaism creeping in. Note Paul's complaint of being persecuted by Ishmael etc ...


Of course, since the time of Revelation, the world has grown and seen Catholicism and Islam spreading and the regions of the world being set up into various divisions. We can discuss this next if any of the above makes sense ...


there have been proposed intermediate maps of the ten regions (after those mentioned in Psalms above), and again, after the Roman empire as a state was broken up ... here is one intermediate map:

I look forward to your considered reply ...

Did you use that picture because the sea below those countries looks like a dragon?

Mediterranean Sea from above looks like the head of a dragon?

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

How can this be? The little horn comes AFTER the legs of iron, after the romen empire crumbles. It becomes a ten kingdom ampire.. And it is when this ten kingdom empire is formed that the little horn comes out and destroys three.

How can it be rome and ceasar? Ceasar is one king. he would be the legs of Iron, not the ten toed, or ten horned kingdom.

Finally, Ceasar did not OWN the whole world. again, read daniel 7. This beast will devour the whole earth. And it says the saints of God (Not Isreal, but those who are born again)

And why does everyone want to speak of Islam or Judaism? Niether of these two religions will be alibe under the little king. HE MAKES HIS OWN LAWS. AND MAKES EVERYONE FOLLOW HIM.. ALL RELIGIOSN WILL BE CRUSHED




why would we want to look at this? the little horn declares HIMSELF as the messiah? catholisim and islam will be crushed.

Again, the premise (mine, the Bible's) is that this is a MODEL! Psalms 83 lays out the kingdoms for us, the fact that the particulars of the kingdoms, like tares and mustard seeds can grow all over the world simply means the model is futuristic as well as historical -- the premise of PROPHETIC REVELATION.

Rome was the power at the time of Jesus, Rome is [A] Power now, albeit it now more and more fragmented, perhaps all the more dangerous -- Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Protestant, Islamic, United Nations and other sects of and under the control of ... ROME. It does not matter who is the head of Rome, tho Caesar did claim to be the son of God, and the papacy (no need to name a particular pope) claims to be the Vicar of the Son(s) of God, God's representative here on earth. Rome then IS this 'little horn'! Rome is the fourth kingdom, the legs of iron! Has been, IS, will be (for a time, til all be fulfilled).

Don't play games (with yourself) and fall into 'Caesar is dead, blah, blah, blah ... Rome became a church-state religion for the very purpose of continuing its domination and control of the earth. Presidents and kings bow to the pope to this day, kissing his ring as they commit fornication with the whore and the woman who rides the beast ...

We still deal with these same kingdoms just as John the Revelator tells us it was and is, and shall be.

The reason we look at this is to affirm that REVELATION IS A MODEL, that all was fulfilled, that there is no gap theory and that Revelation affirms the history, and foretells the future -- AS A MODEL, with JESUS the ONLY WAY. The initial maps, the intermediate maps, the current and future maps of these 'ten kingdoms' are simply reflections of Rome's control all over the world and that of the ten kingdoms mentioned in Psalms 83, those persons, those practices now infecting the whole world.

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[zone]

In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week

EG...it was Jesus who confirmed the Covenant.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 26:28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Testament (διαθήκη&#962

From διατίθημι, to distribute; dispose of. Hence of the disposition of one's property. On the idea of disposing or arranging is based that of settlement or agreement, and thence of a covenant. The Hebrew word of which this is a translation is primarily covenant, from a verb meaning to cut. Hence the phrase, to make a covenant, in connection with dividing the victims slain in ratification of covenants (Genesis 15:9-18). Covenant is the general Old Testament sense of the word (1 Kings 20:34; Isaiah 28:15; 1 Samuel 18:3); and so in the New Testament. Compare Mark 14:24; Luke 1:72; Luke 22:20; Acts 3:25; Acts 7:8. Bishop Lightfoot, on Galatians 3:15, observes that the word is never found in the New Testament in any other sense than that of covenant, with the exception of Hebrews 9:15-17, where it is testament. We cannot admit this exception, since we regard that passage as one of the best illustrations of the sense of covenant. See on Hebrews 9:15-17. Render here as Rev., covenant.

Is shed (ἐκχυννόμενο&#957

The present participle, is being shed. Christ's thought goes forward to the consummation.
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