Daniels 4 beasts

[eternally-gratefull]

The little horn or beast from the sea comes up from among the 10 horns. The 10 horns are the nations of Europe so the little horn because it comes out from the 4th beast (Rome) and among the nations of Europe so therefore it is Papal Rome.

where do you get this? so papal rome will control the world economy. Make the whole world bow down to the pope. and claim to be Christ himself? not to mention. be indwelt and empowered by satan himself. confirm a one week covenant and commit the abomination which makes desolate?

The ten horn are ten kings. over ten nations,. the little horn destroys three of the kings.. You think the pope has the power to destroy a whole nation. where is his military to enforce his rules??

sorry. there is no reason to think this is the pope.. When the first pope took power. he was the king of rome.. He was the 4th beast.. Or the legs of Iron..

The prophesy states he is an unknown which comes out of the 10 kingdom union.. then takes power.. How can someone who has had power all along be unknown, let alone come out of a ten king europe.. when he has always been.

 

[peterT]

where do you get this? so papal rome will control the world economy. Make the whole world bow down to the pope. and claim to be Christ himself? not to mention. be indwelt and empowered by satan himself. confirm a one week covenant and commit the abomination which makes desolate?

The ten horn are ten kings. over ten nations,. the little horn destroys three of the kings.. You think the pope has the power to destroy a whole nation. where is his military to enforce his rules??

sorry. there is no reason to think this is the pope.. When the first pope took power. he was the king of rome.. He was the 4th beast.. Or the legs of Iron..

The prophesy states he is an unknown which comes out of the 10 kingdom union.. then takes power.. How can someone who has had power all along be unknown, let alone come out of a ten king europe.. when he has always been.

There was no pope in the days of the legs of iron, there was no pope until after Jesus’s’ death in the Christian era, in the feet of iron and clay the last kingdom in the image in Daniel2.

And it doesn’t say the little horn destroys three kings, it says “plucked up by the roots” or “three fell” or “he shall subdue three kings” it doesn’t say destroys, and it’s not necessary that this means he destroys three kings, but maybe he takes them out of the picture some other way

I think we should be careful and try to stick to scripture when looking for the Antichrist

 

[Laodicea]

where do you get this? so papal rome will control the world economy. Make the whole world bow down to the pope. and claim to be Christ himself? not to mention. be indwelt and empowered by satan himself. confirm a one week covenant and commit the abomination which makes desolate?

The ten horn are ten kings. over ten nations,. the little horn destroys three of the kings.. You think the pope has the power to destroy a whole nation. where is his military to enforce his rules??

sorry. there is no reason to think this is the pope.. When the first pope took power. he was the king of rome.. He was the 4th beast.. Or the legs of Iron..

The prophesy states he is an unknown which comes out of the 10 kingdom union.. then takes power.. How can someone who has had power all along be unknown, let alone come out of a ten king europe.. when he has always been.

The emperors of Western Europe were largely Catholic and supported the papacy in its growth and authority. Three Arian kingdoms, however, did not support the papacy--the Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths. So the Catholic emperors decided they must be subdued or destroyed. Here is how Dr. Mervyn Maxwell, a theologian and historian, described the results in volume 1, page 129, of his book God Cares: "The Catholic emperor Zeno (474-491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527-565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel's three horns --the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths--'plucked up by the roots.' " It is not difficult to recognize that the papacy fits this point.

http://www.bibleprophecytruth.com/topics/who-is-the-antichrist-.aspx

 

[eternally-gratefull]

http://www.bibleprophecytruth.com/topics/who-is-the-antichrist-.aspx

See now this is what I mean about trying to force history to match prophesy. In doing so we fall, because if we actually looked at it, we would see it does not fit.

1/ The little horn is a man. one person, a HE, not a THEM .. you named two different men in two different parts of your so called papal empire which took down three kingdoms of their own. this does not fit.

The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.

2. He will boast of himself, and the saints will be given into his hand for only a short time (3 1/2 years) Yet your speaking of a bunch of men who have continued for over a thousand years now.

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,Shall persecute[d] the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months

3. He will commit the abomination of desolation. which no pope has done.

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” (note half of 7 years is 3 1/2 years)

4. He will trample every kingdom. crush them to peaces and control the whole world with his great might. Romanism and the papacy has never done this, nor do they have the power since the fall of rome. and the loss of romes armies to back them up. And rome never conquered every tongue tribe and nation.

Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him,

I could go on, but we see more than enough just here, things showing of events which would preclude the papacy from being the final beast.

you see. a carefull study will show, it can;t be those three kings which were spoken of. and the papacy does not fit into prophetic utterings of who the final beast will be.

 

[peterT]

The ten horn are ten kings. over ten nations,. the little horn destroys three of the kings.. You think the pope has the power to destroy a whole nation. where is his military to enforce his rules??

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Daniel had three opportunities to use the words “make war”,” kill”, or “destroy” but he said “plucked up by the roots” “three fell” “ subdue three kings”. And that is worth thinking about. Maybe he binds them politically, subdues them politically, plucked them up by the roots politically because it doesn’t say destroy.

I am not convinced by a long shot that the Antichrist is a pope.
But if he was he doesn’t have to have an army to be military, because ten kings are of one mind give their power and strength unto him, and that would make him military tenfold. Not that I am convinced he a pope is the Antichrist.

Rv17:12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

I am also not convinced by a long shot that the Antichrist even comes from Europe, as all the western world originated from Europe. So as far as I can see he could come from pretty much anywhere.

 

[peterT]

http://www.bibleprophecytruth.com/topics/who-is-the-antichrist-.aspx

The website “bible prophecy truth” is full of none truths, from the 7 last plagues to the 7 year tribulation period, the man should not give up his day job.

There is no 7 year tribulation its just 3 ½ years NOT 7 years.

And the 7 last plagues, we are in the heavens when the 7 plagues come..


There we are stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast. Then the seven angels having the seven last plagues pour out the wrath of God upon the people that have the mark of the beast.


Rv151And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Rv16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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[royalscot]

stand back you see ,a figger that looks like a man, what holds up the man, the feet.
what came out of rome a christain bible. history teaches war after war. jesus taught gods grace.so grace in this point is gods grace gos out to all the world the good, the bad, and the ugly. man have fashoned there own understanding. started there own law of goverment, ware did the root of the wisdom come from, to have a goverment or police force.
clay can be moulded for good or bad.
if we look at how the police force was formed ,to look good to the people, but doe s it look good to gods ideas.etc

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Brother EG,

Thanks, it will take a little bit to study this.

So far it's great,

Brother John