What Laws are still valid to christians

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But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
I think that using the law lawfully is knowing that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...
 
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Keep in mine that there are exactly the same number of days between the Passover, and the giving of the Mosaic Law at Sinai, as there is between the death of Christ, and Pentecost. It's all relative, the law and the prophets, along with New Testament teaching by the apostles, and Peter and John,and the letters to Timothy etc.
Of course the giving of the law of Moses and the giving of the spirit both occurred 50 days after Firstfruits. One was the law of the old covenant; the other is the law of the new covenant.
 
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Wanted to share one more aspect of how wonderful and holy the law is, concerning the shadow of things to come. A shadow is cast by light shining on substance.

Leviticus 23:10 (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the (***) firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Leviticus 23:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Even unto the morrow (*)after the seventh sabbath shall ye number *fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the (***) firstfruits unto the LORD.

Deuteronomy 16:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Seven weeks (49 days)shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks fromsuch time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt keep the (**) feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee

There are 49 days in 7 weeks. (*) One day “after the seventh Sabbath,” we then add this one day for a total of 50 days, according to the law. According to the New Testament, we now can incorporate the “law of liberty” that is mentioned in the book of James.

The scripture given in Leviticus 23:5-17 is the law that brings together the Old Testament, and the New Testament as far as I’m concerned.

The 14[SUP]th[/SUP] day is Passover
The 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day starts the (**)feast of weeks lasting 49 days.
On the 50th day is the feast of (***) first fruits, commemorating Pentecost, and the Israelites acting upon the commandments given to Moses. The growing season took 50 days for the barley to ripen representing the leaven of truth, ministered first to the Israelites, and then to the world through Christ.

This is Old Testament feast of weeks, and at the end of that time is the same day as Pentecost parallel to the feast of "first fruits." There were 49 days counting the day of the crucifixion of Christ, and the sending of the Comforter.
 
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It was now the ninth hour (3PM). The hours of 9AM and 3 PM were the precise times that the High Priest would offer the incense of prayer at the beginning, and end of the daily sacrifices, and when the menorah (the lamp) wicks were trimmed and re-lit.

The drink offered to Jesus (Matthew 27:34) was cheap Roman vinegar wine, which had a drug mixed in (gall) to dull the senses. It was the custom of the Romans to offer a man being crucified drugged wine so that he might more easily endure his cross.

Psalm 69:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Reproach hath *broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.
Psalm 69:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

*By the way, and just to add, but not to sidetrack, do you remember when water and blood flowed out of Jesus after the soldier pierced His side? According to physicians, that is what happens when a person’s heart bursts because psychological stress. The Day Christ Died - Were You There?

Matthew 27:46-48 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And about the ninth hour (3 PM) Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

John 19:28-30 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar (Greek Strong’s 3690, see previous post), he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


So at the end, when it was finished, Jesus takes the drink offered. One would think that the law of God would have prohibited that. Things are completed now, and in fact God ordained it in His law. We are about ready to find out, and are given insight into the sovereignty, and foreknowledge of God.
 
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Exodus 12:3-6 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take itaccording to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of thecongregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exodus 12:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.

Jesus came to Jerusalem, and was crucified 4 days later. He was buried just before sundown, which would have been the beginning of the 15th day.

Leviticus 23:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

John 20:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.


John 20:17-19 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Acts 1:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
 
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Now to calculate these 40 days, plus the other 10 days to make 50 days, 7 weeks plus 1 day, according to the law in Leviticus 23:5-17.

Jesus was crucified on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the first month of the year which is the Passover. (Leviticus 23:5-6) 16 days to the end of the month


He was buried on the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day and in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights according to the comparison with Jonah.

He rose from the dead the morning of the 18[SUP]th[/SUP] leaving 13 days left of the month

He spends 40 days on earth after His resurrection
13 days 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month+27 days=40 days

He ascended into heaven the 27[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] month.

Jesus sent the Comforter on the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day of the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] month.

3 days and nights in the tomb plus

13 days left of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month plus
27 days on earth in the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] month=43 days
3 days left of the 2nd month plus
3 days of the 3rd month=6 days
43+6=49 days =7 weeks

So according to my calculations, (take it or leave it) it was 6 days (unlike what I have read on the internet) from the time Jesus ascended into heaven, and when the Holy Spirit descended. The 6[SUP]th[/SUP] letter in the Hebrew alphabet represents “secure”, as in “NAILED” representing iniquity (leaven) is fastened to the cross for good.


Acts 2:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And when the day of Pentecost was **fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance

**“Fully come” would clarify that 49 days were complete, and the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] day was starting.

Exodus 19:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Exodus 19:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people thatwas in the camp trembled.

On the 50th day is the feast of (***) first fruits, commemorating the beginning of the great commission (Matthew 28:19-20) previously given, and the Israelites acting upon the commandments given to Moses. Representing the leaven of truth, as I will address in my next post, that is ministered first to the Israelites, and through Christ, to the World.
 
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The 14[SUP]th[/SUP] day is Passover
The 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day starts the (**)feast of weeks lasting 49 days.
On the 50th day is the feast of (***) first fruits, commemorating Pentecost, and the Israelites acting upon the commandments given to Moses. The growing season took 50 days for the barley to ripen representing the leaven of truth, ministered first to the Israelites, and then to the world through Christ.
The above is not entirely correct.

  • Passover was eaten in the evening of the 14th.
  • Unleavened Bread began on the 15th and lasted for 7 days.
  • Firstfruits was the day after the next sabbath and commemorated firstfruits of the barley harvest.
  • The feast of weeks was Pentecost and was the 50th day after Firstfruits. Pentecost commemorated firstfruits of the wheat harvest.
 
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Exodus 20:1-17

King James Version (KJV)

20 And God spake all these words, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not kill.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Thou shalt not steal.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Romans 13:8-9


King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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John 17:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Looks like the plan of salvation was complete, but not fulfilled yet, before God created the world. It was completed, and fulfilled when Jesus said...
John 19:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

This shows us the doorway to new life in the Spirit of God is through the death of Christ for us all that believe and might see life in the Spirit if we put no confidence in the flesh and be dead to it at the death of Christ


Philippians 3:1-11

King James Version (KJV)

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


Matthew 27:33-34 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
[SUP]34 [/SUP]They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
Greek=vinegar 3690=swift, rapid sour wine “oxos”


As I contemplated this scripture, and started to investigate why Jesus didn’t drink the vinegar at the start of Him being nailed to the cross, I found that the word for vinegar is the same as leaven in three different passages found in the Old Testament. Therefore, to compare these Old Testament relationships with the leaven found in the New Testament, I will quote three verses in 1 Corinthians that would apply.

1 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Greek=leaven 2219=fermentation as in boiling up “zume”
 
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Strong’s reference numbers 2556, 2557, 2558 (Hebrew) are all spelled the same way. All referred to making, baking, drinking or eating food or drink made with yeast. The last letter in this Hebrew word for “leaven” and “vinegar” means “justice.”


Exodus 12:19 (KJV) Strong’s 2556, the act of consumption of 2557 what is baked
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Seven days shall there be no leaven *(Strong’s 7603) found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened,(Strong’s 2556 defining the phrase) even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.

Leviticus 6:16-18 (KJV) Strong’s 2557
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eatenin the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]It shall not be baken with leaven. I have given it unto them for their portion of my offerings made by fire; it is most holy, as is the sin offering, and as the trespass offering.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]All the males among the children of Aaron shall eat of it. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations concerning the offerings of the LORD made by fire: every one that toucheth them shall be holy.
Hebrew=leaven 2557=ferment, extortion, leaven

Numbers 6:1-3 (KJV) Strong’s 2558
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
Hebrew=vinegar 2558=referring to 2556= pungent, fermented, harsh, leavened

Exodus 13:6-7 (KJV) *Strong’s 7603
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the LORD.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters.
*Hebrew=leaven 7603=yeast cake, swelling by fermentation

Leviticus 10:12-13 (KJV) Strong’s 4682
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leavenbeside the altar: for it is most holy:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And ye shall eat it in the holy place, because it is thy due, and thy sons' due, of the sacrifices of the LORD made by fire: for so I am commanded.

Moses refers to Exodus 34:25 (CJB)
25 You are not to offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread, and the sacrifice of the feast of Pesach (Passover) is not to be left until morning.
Hebrew=leaven 4682=devouring sweetness, not soured with yeast, without leaven


Jesus had not yet finished the task He was ordained to do. God wants us to know why leaven wasn’t used in the sacrificial law. Leaven represents a swelling, or a manifestation exemplifying the physical nature. As we know, the Bible says that the law was weak.
 
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The sacrifices were to be brought into the presence of God without the influence of the carnal nature. Unleavened bread was necessitated for us to know not to force our selfish influence into God’s Word and His ordinances.


It was imperative that Jesus would follow suit with the Levitical law by not ingesting vinegar, for it would have been a distortion, via a sinful nature, against the perfect will of God. Jesus needed to continue to be the unblemished sacrifice without sin at this point, for it was the morning of His Crucifixion, being the 3rd hour 9 AM.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Deuteronomy 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

192.
Mark 15:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Isaiah 53:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors;and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 

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Actually it is a planet. It has mountains and streams and streets. But the Father will transfer His headquarters to Earth as in Revelation.
Well just maybe it is the Garden of Eden, that was guarded until Christ and has been taken up into Heaven, where we are now Citizens of. that is what is coming down with Christ when Christ returns
Just a little food for thought between God and you and anyone else to consider, full redemption, not just in the Spirit anymore
 
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Now to calculate these 40 days, plus the other 10 days to make 50 days, 7 weeks plus 1 day, according to the law in Leviticus 23:5-17.

Jesus was crucified on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the first month of the year which is the Passover. (Leviticus 23:5-6) 16 days to the end of the month


He was buried on the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day and in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights according to the comparison with Jonah.

He rose from the dead the morning of the 18[SUP]th[/SUP] leaving 13 days left of the month

He spends 40 days on earth after His resurrection
13 days 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month+27 days=40 days

He ascended into heaven the 27[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] month.

Jesus sent the Comforter on the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] day of the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] month.

3 days and nights in the tomb plus

13 days left of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month plus
27 days on earth in the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] month=43 days
3 days left of the 2nd month plus
3 days of the 3rd month=6 days
43+6=49 days =7 weeks

So according to my calculations, (take it or leave it) it was 6 days (unlike what I have read on the internet) from the time Jesus ascended into heaven, and when the Holy Spirit descended. The 6[SUP]th[/SUP] letter in the Hebrew alphabet represents “secure”, as in “NAILED” representing iniquity (leaven) is fastened to the cross for good.


Acts 2:1-4 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And when the day of Pentecost was **fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance

**“Fully come” would clarify that 49 days were complete, and the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] day was starting.

Exodus 19:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Exodus 19:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people thatwas in the camp trembled.

On the 50th day is the feast of (***) first fruits, commemorating the beginning of the great commission (Matthew 28:19-20) previously given, and the Israelites acting upon the commandments given to Moses. Representing the leaven of truth, as I will address in my next post, that is ministered first to the Israelites, and through Christ, to the World.
jesus raised from the dead, and went back to heaven. at what point is completed mean. he sent out the holy spirit. just a thought.
 

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And since we live after the New Covenant has taken effect, and the full revelation of God has been given in the NT writings,
that is how WE are to see and interpret the OT writings. :)
Or truly the truth of all the Old Testament writings are revealed in Love from God through the finished work of Christ, from the beginning, shown in his first act of Mercy when he clothed Adam and Eve, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just some food for thought
 

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Here we go again.....
Matt 22
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
And how can anyone actually obey those two ever without seeing the unfathomable Love of God first. For
God's true Love is unfathomable TO FLESH IS IT NOT?
Just read 1 Cor. 13, and be guilty in the flesh. Then read it in the born again Spirit given to us by God from God and thus by God living through us, we do it, and at no credit to self ever. All credit to God the Father of Christ, thanking Christ for doing it in our stead, and thus we are alive to God by this last sacrifice of Christ, and last shedding of blood to us and for us to be alive to Father and thus respond to Father in what Father wants us to do,
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What? Dost thou not have a Bible verse to support your statement? Matthew 5:17-19 does not. Of course Jesus did not come to destroy the law. That doesn't mean the law hasn't been abolished. See Ephesians 2:12-15.
The law was given to Moses and the Israelites.
Do you keep the Sabbath? You better. Do you obey the law in the book of Leviticus? You better. They weren't for you to begin with. I hope you read the verses I listed. Please do.
Here is your scripture as t the Spirit of the Law rather than the letter okay, not trying to say you are right or wrong, just here to have you consider what is truth or error, pretty clear to me in the following scripture, your choice, and for me I am at rest 24/7 in the Christ who is my Sabbath rest. Thanks
[h=3]Romans 10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

10 Dear brothers, the longing of my heart and my prayer is that the Jewish people might be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know what enthusiasm they have for the honor of God, but it is misdirected zeal. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they don’t understand that Christ has died to make them right with God. Instead they are trying to make themselves good enough to gain God’s favor by keeping the Jewish laws and customs, but that is not God’s way of salvation. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They don’t understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by keeping his laws. He ends all of that.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses wrote that if a person could be perfectly good and hold out against temptation all his life and never sin once, only then could he be pardoned and saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the salvation that comes through faith says, “You don’t need to search the heavens to find Christ and bring him down to help you,” and, [SUP]7 [/SUP]“You don’t need to go among the dead to bring Christ back to life again.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For salvation that comes from trusting Christ—which is what we preach—is already within easy reach of each of us; in fact, it is as near as our own hearts and mouths. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if you tell others with your own mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and believe in your own heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is by believing in his heart that a man becomes right with God; and with his mouth he tells others of his faith, confirming his salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scriptures tell us that no one who believes in Christ will ever be disappointed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect: they all have the same Lord who generously gives his riches to all those who ask him for them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

And I am so thankful that you have as well called and are saved by this alone from God, through Son Christ at the cross
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Giving our lives to God as a LIVING Sacrifice is very serious. And can not be covered over lightly by saying ,it is Jesus doing the living in me. and I just go in neutral. Gal. 2:20 tells more of our living for God than Christ living thru me His life. NO WAY , Paul said ,: "the life which I live in the flesh(MY BODY)I live by faith in the Son of God, " We live in our bodies the holy life God has planned for us to live for His glory. this is a :LIVING SACrifice" using our minds hands feet, etc, all to the glory of God as we trust God to work in us to do His good will ,God helps us, inpowers us, but we do the living . The new birth experience is death to our old fleshly sinful nature so now we can live with our new nature a life pleasing to God. But , we still has the old sinful nation in us ;So we have to keep putting it to death. we need to bear our spiritual cross ,dying to sin each moment. Repentance is an hourly way of life; repent, trust and obey is the true Christian life. love to all, Hoffco
I see it as the holy living through me, not just in me
[h=3]Galatians 2:20[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

[SUP]20[/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ: and I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the real life I now have within this body is a result of my trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

I do think you were saying the same THING IN YOUR WORDS AS YOU RECIEVED THEM, THANKS, LIVING A NEW LIFE NOW IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND NO LONGER OF THE FLESH THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH ORIGINALLY
 

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i have a problem, may be you can help. using modern day eyes. is moses a killer or mass murderer, or a man of god.

give he must have thought it was wrong the he killed the first time, as why run away, his father was in charge of egypt. or was he running from the punishment that his egypt would give him.
then god steps in. either way works from a judgement point of view.
the joy of the father in heaven, grace to all.
to begin with, I do not see Moses as killing that Egyptian on purpose, he saw the cruelty, and out of compassion for fellow man, not knowing they were yet his family, I think as of yet, anyway it was not on his heart to kill, yet it happened, he was stopping the cruelty that he saw as not being just.
So no matter why he fled, he fled.
One could ask why did his Mother put him in the river? how did she know to do this from fear or by God saying to do this? that is not recorded. what is recorded is she did as she did, and Moses did as he did. God is a Loving, Merciful God to those that seek God, find God today, now through Christ.
David killed, as well, yet saw a Godly repentance afterwards, in place of the worldly one he had. When the Prophet Nathaniel, told David the truth that God told him to tell David, and this was in private, David could have furthered his selfishness and killed the Prophet, rather he repented and from their put full trust into the living God, Just as Moses did, and by Faith did as God instructed, and the people that cried out for 430 years in slavery were delivered, by God through Moses, and they cried even more afterward in the deliverance, this is what flesh does when one does not truly believe. They stay in captivity and whine and complain, even though they saw all the miracles from God through Moses.
I personally do not know how God is going to get me through my mess, but I know God will. So I am going to walk in Faith each and every day I have here and now on this earth in trust. God to this day has never failed me, even when it appears God has, just as Jesus yelled out why has thou forsaken me, when Father never did, the flesh is deceptive and Christ yelling that out shows us all that. prayerfully we all learn from our tragedies in our lives here and now. Quit seeing them as punishment, rather as being perfected through them, if we decide to learn and quit the complaining, start the learning from adversities, what a wonderful future we shall have in eternity, seeing that from here right now today and living each day in the present, for that is what a present is from God to live in the present becomes the Present.
Praying this is helpful, and Thank you for asking
 

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Thank you for your vote.
James 3:1 ESV / 8 helpful votes


Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
And so that is as it says, so then Lord teach me to walk by your Spirit and not my flesh please?
 

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Back to O.P

1 Timothy 1:8

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Question:

How Does a righteous man use the Law that is good Lawfully, without being called a teacher of the law ?

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

God bless
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.