What Laws are still valid to christians

[psychomom]

That is not one of my quotes. What are you trying to pull? A bit of dishonesty?

I'd like to address this accusation first.

Though I don't know how to link it, the words you claim you never wrote can be found in
a thread called "Re:Keep The Commandments", post #520, written and posted by you on 27 June of this year.
I trust that will be sufficient to dispel my "dishonesty".

I like everything Paul said and I understand Paul, once you realize what he is historically in the story dealing with.

I honestly don't know what you mean by that...but I'll assume it's got something to do with some teaching from a HR type site or group. Please elaborate or correct me as you will.

Christians who become ingrafted Israelites. The Bible is about Israel, the chosen people, and that includes after the cross, the story continues to represent the ingrafted Israelites.

Really? Then IMO, you fail to understand the Word of God.
The Bible is a Christian book because it's ALL about Jesus the Christ!
Not about the people in it, except insofar as they tell HIS story.

I disagree. The New Testament is mostly quotes from the Old Testament.

Maybe the parts you focus on... .
I agree much of it comes from OT scriptures, but given in the Light of the New Covenant. (and I do NOT mean "renewed")
God was still revealing Truth to the NT writers, and the canon was not yet compete. It IS now.

Judaizers? You make it sound negative, something bad. What is in your heart when you think of Judaizers?

Judaizers elevate the Law above the Christ. Plain and simple.
They elevate national Israel above the Lord Jesus.
It diminishes the Work of the Lord Jesus for salvation, sanctification, and glorification in the worst way.
From time to time it's actually another gospel.

Let the Holy Spirit be our guide. Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. The word "narrow" here in this verse means "tribulations".

The experts disagree with your interpretation of the Greek:
Strong's:

thlibó: to press, afflict​

Original Word: θλίβω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: thlibó
Phonetic Spelling: (thlee'-bo)
Short Definition: I make narrow, persecute, press hard
Definition: (a) I make narrow (strictly: by pressure); I press upon, (b) I persecute, press hard.

HELPS word-studies:
Cognate: 2346 thlíbō (the root of 2347 /thlípsis, reflecting an original "b"/bēta) – properly, rub together, constrict (compress), i.e. pressed together; (figuratively) oppressively afflict (distress), i.e. like when circumstances "rub us the wrong way" that make us feel confined (hemmed in); restricted to a "narrow" place. See 2347 (thlipsis).

It can mean "to trouble, afflict or distress". How do you apply that meaning here?
How does that make those who don't obey Torah on the broad path? Where does the Work of the Cross of Jesus fit?

I offer you a sincere apology for my confusion over your membership. I was wrong.

 

[psychomom]

Were the New Testament writers referring to the New Testament writings so they could understand, and interpret the Old Testament?
According to scripture the New Testament didn't take effect until the death of Christ.
Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

And since we live after the New Covenant has taken effect, and the full revelation of God has been given in the NT writings,
that is how WE are to see and interpret the OT writings.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

I'd like to address this accusation first.

Though I don't know how to link it, the words you claim you never wrote can be found in
a thread called "Re:Keep The Commandments", post #520, written and posted by you on 27 June of this year.
I trust that will be sufficient to dispel my "dishonesty".

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/66710-keep-commandments-26.html

Deu 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Deu 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his (God's) statutes, and his (God's)commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

Deu 4:44 And this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel:

By the time the New Testament writers were writing of "Moses Law" they had diluted the importance that they were God's laws, commandments, statues, ordinances, etc. Just leave it to religious people to delute the importance of God's Words through his mitzvah, Torah, statues, ordinances, commandments, laws, etc.

 

[psychomom]

Thanks, M_R, for helping out a senile old lady!

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Thanks, M_R, for helping out a senile old lady!

I was trying to help you, though...

 

[psychomom]

I was trying to help you, though...

You totally did!
My very sincere thanks! ♥

No sarcasm intended in my post, unless it was toward myself. haha
I keep telling myself one of these days I'll learn how to properly use the software here...
(yeah, that'll happen! lol)

 

[RickShafer]

Here we go again.....
Matt 22
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Abiding]

Thanks, M_R, for helping out a senile old lady!

senile...psycho ...sematics sematics

 

[Abiding]

crossnote usually comes through and does a spellcheck for me

 

[royalscot]

better change your profile birthdate as we were under the impression you are just a mere babe at 44 yrs old!

the welsh man is 83, and was talking to him.

 

[SirLucan]

All of them.

What? Dost thou not have a Bible verse to support your statement? Matthew 5:17-19 does not. Of course Jesus did not come to destroy the law. That doesn't mean the law hasn't been abolished. See Ephesians 2:12-15.
The law was given to Moses and the Israelites.
Do you keep the Sabbath? You better. Do you obey the law in the book of Leviticus? You better. They weren't for you to begin with. I hope you read the verses I listed. Please do.

 

[royalscot]

Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Sovereign, Sovereign, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Sovereign, Sovereign, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Yahshua had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9
how can you see a fruit, if you cant interpret scripture. as time have changed. (new covenent)

 

[homwardbound]

Laws? Can anyone tell me what law Noah obeyed or Abraham or Issac or Jacob or Enoch or Seth? Any one?

Belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and thus did as God said

 

[homwardbound]

Originally Posted by WomanLovesTX

I have answered you several times. The reason I use much dialog is because this subject matter is the biggest divide between Christians who believe that the Law of God is not voided by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The modern day, traditional or mainstream churches who follow that Jesus voided the OT laws is the broad path. I am not on that broad path, I am on the narrow path that leads to righteousness. The benefits of believing the whole Bible is still relevant for our lives today is so much clearer than the old path I once was on, believing that I was of the Church, separate from those people in OT, blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by homwardbound

Is that possibly mixing the flesh of self and the Spirit of God?
Does any flesh works please God?

I never picked that up in her post. I totally agree with her.

Just a ? for her, me and all to check to whether our own flesh can and might deceive us and take us away from Humility in Father through Son, nothing else. Anything that creates self-righteousness is not from God do you agree?
And if you do not okay, I have no condemnation for anyone, since God has none for me.

 

[homwardbound]

ok then, lets start from here.

1. Non of us could fulfill the requirments of the law even if we tried.
2. If we do not fulfill the requirements, the condemnation is death
3. Jesus took this condemnation in our place.
4. We can KNOW the will of God in our lives by looking to him and studying the NT
5. We can know we are in the will of God, by understanding, if we are doing something for self (even a good moral deed) it is sin, Yet anything we do outward focused (the spirit) is pleasing to God.

What basis would one have to follow a law which can only condemn us?

Yes we should read it.

1. it points to Christ
2. it points to God and shows his just requirement which we have already affirmed we can't do anyway.
3. It shows us history and examples of people who tried to follow it and failed. And shows us these real life examples we can follow
4. It shows us, when we follow the law, We are bound to fail, Yet we risk tending to ignore parts of the law we struggle wiht as long as they are not severe sins, So we can LIE TO OURSELVES that we are following the law. And thus think we are OK with God.
5. It shows us how arrogant, How proud, And how foolish those who follow the law are. so we would not be like them
6. It CAN not show us how to be morally good. How to do the will of God, and how to live our daily lives minute by minute seeking God

so..........

Why do people demand we must follow this thing?? Which in reality, as Peter said, Puts us under the yoke that NO ONE IN THE OT could handle??

do we think we are better than the people of the OT??

I, personally tried to do exactly that follow the Law and it lead me to see my need for Christ 100% and not make void the Law, rather uphold it as good and perfect and correct, knowing I can't do the Laws of Love even at all. so the change came and God imputed this Love that I could not do, and so today it is not I that do it, rather it is God that does it by me believing God.
The two Laws of Love no flesh can ever even do,,. the only way is: to be crucified to self as Paul showed us all so well.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ: and I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the real life I now have within this body is a result of my trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

So are we dead to the self, and alive to God, no more works on our part, we live by Faith, and walk as Christ walked 100% dependent on Father's lead. Can we do this for all time, or plainly die daily and be crucified with our Lord, Christ daily to the self flesh.
Is not by doing this we are purifying self as we are already purified by Christ?
[h=3]1 John 3:3[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And everyone who really believes this will try to stay pure because Christ is pure.

The only way I ever found the above verse possible is die to self daily with Christ at his death, then God does show us the new life of Love to all. Otherwise self creeps in and takes over acting as if doing what is right and deceives us
So I die daily, in order to stop sneaky flesh old nature.
Just food for thought to all

 

[homwardbound]

Scripture also teaches you can judge by the words and actions.

her words and actions show what she truly believes. And even you can see it, Unless you are hiding it.

I am the judge of no one, I have not come to condemn, I have come to give life to the fullest, the exact words of Christ.
[h=3]John 10:10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief’s purpose is to steal, kill and destroy. My purpose is to give life in all its fullness.
Believe, receive, and see, thus do what is right in his sight Father's not man's

 

[homwardbound]

We are in the world but not of it. We have been given a commission to stand where God has placed us while we are still alive on this earth. Yes we surely do have a possession on this earth. It's our job as believers in Christ. We are to stand where we are placed.
Ephesians 6:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
There is reason we are to have a Spiritual armor, and the children of Israel had physical armor to conquer there inheritance given by God.

Compare this concept with a vinedresser or one that waters and plants the seed, and then God gives the increase. We have a job to do, a place to possess, which is a God given task.
God Bless.

Yes, bloom wherever we are planted to all credit in God and no other, not even any of mine own works are credited, at least from me as I see all glory to God period and none other no matter how one views it through the Law as in Faith to God or not.
If God is not getting all the credit, then flesh is in the way period, and all flesh works burn up period
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

I am not sure about that. Just this morning on the way to work this verse popped up: "I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship" and I thought, why would Paul used mercy instead of grace here? And I thought how could we offer our bodies as living sacrifices if we are not clean? If our cleaniness is always by His blood, then the living sacrifices are not our bodies, but Christ over and over again. But Paul said our bodies. Paul also said: the mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace. It scares me. Yeshua (I just have His name re-confirmed in another thread) said: you are well, sin no more that nothing worse may happen to you. He also said: if you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another counselor to be with you forever - the spirit of truth. If we think are saved and yet go on sinning and believe we will never be perfectly sin free, how could we ever have the spirit of truth?
May be I'm just confused between body and flesh.

Maybe then first you might need to see this:
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Living Bible (TLB)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]He has done this through the death on the cross of his own human body, and now as a result Christ has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are standing there before him with nothing left against you—nothing left that he could even chide you for;

[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So by Christ can you offer yourself as a living sacrifice to Father as Christ is the one that did this already for you?
If you believe and do this and then you might see death, Christ's for you to do as Christ did for you, be co-crucified with Christ and then see you as God sees you perfect ,holy, blameless and you cann thus claim
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Get it all god and none of anyone else, no matter what one does or not do, self flesh needs to die with Christ in order to have life in Christ right here and now. I found no other possible way to live the new life except to die daily to self with Christ as Paul said in

[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

So then: by Christ's death and then resurrection for you
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[homwardbound]

Posted new thread under heading , what prophecy is guiding us today ? Any contributions most welcome I feel its a vital issue for us today as much prophecy is misunderstood and at worst deliberately misused so look forward to all views and some healthy debate much love to those on cc....

John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

[homwardbound]

The only law I can find in the NT is faith in the cross.

And the outpouring of God's love spreads abroad throughout our whole new self's imputed to us by God, thanks kerry