81% of Christians think Christianity is following rules in the bible
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Well there is that which are called mysteries, even things which are already spoken of which God gives us insight into. I never heard of this mystery doctrine, but we know they were stewards of the mysteries of God. Even as Paul speaks of that which was written of the two becoming one (back in Genesis) he is speaking along the lines of Christ and the church, so he hints what is shown plainly (on the one hand) contains more then what meets the eye and speaking in this mystery of Christ in you just the same.
Even in carnal things there are mysteries to me, I mean, a lot of what my own dogs did or do can be a mystery to me, or even what my husband is taken in by, and the scripture speaks of mysteries, I just never heard of a mysetry doctrine. I understand what you mean in that. I recall once someone calling what is "called" (meaning some denomination) "The church of Christ" heretical (in some sense) and I stood there hearing this for the first time (not understanding that the true words for church of Christ is adopted in name to another organization (which is shortsighted somehow) and I just find peoples wording difficult to follow, and so I need to guess half the time, "Are they speaking of a specific church or doctrine they deem heretical or will they just snag you on a word to condemn you" (which seems very common from the earliest of days even till now).
So sometimes you dont know what someone is talking about. I was going to ask what is meant by this doctrine, but then I keep reminding myself not to ask questions in this climate (which is hard for me to remember not to do) but thats a bad habit I am dealing with (Im working on it).
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there is nothing wrong with asking a question sis. In fact, I would rather you ask than now, as most of us would.
Certain people will not ask or even attempt to figure out what the person is saying, and just place people in a grouping, even if that person is not saying what he says he is.
That is the problem here. If you have a question, please ask..
Certain people will not ask or even attempt to figure out what the person is saying, and just place people in a grouping, even if that person is not saying what he says he is.
That is the problem here. If you have a question, please ask..
Man that section about Bible reading now adays being demoted to "soundbite journalism" hit me right in the gut. I do the same thing: flip open the bible, read a verse, think about it, onto the next thing. I haven't done a real devotional.....like ever. Well I guess that isn't true. I would write down my findings, think about them, read like a psalm or something, and then move one.
Sadly with my OCD I get nervous about doing extensive research, because delving into the Bible was what I would do when I was like obsessing and I would like spend hours and hours. There is nothing wrong with that, but it was like a, "I have to do this to be ok, to be Christian" sorta legalistic freakout.
I gotta have a better attitude. The opposite of hardly reading isn't ok either.
Sadly with my OCD I get nervous about doing extensive research, because delving into the Bible was what I would do when I was like obsessing and I would like spend hours and hours. There is nothing wrong with that, but it was like a, "I have to do this to be ok, to be Christian" sorta legalistic freakout.
I gotta have a better attitude. The opposite of hardly reading isn't ok either.
Thats just it, in much of this I really feel I shouldnt have to try to figure someone else out if we are posting his words (where in doing so between thats where the handling of the same becomes more visible) to better see where someone is coming from. Especially where someone breaks off and picks up the majority of the time and where they are doing their comparing. Which should tell me enough, and also if they refuse to use the scripture and chose rather to speak from themselves all the time. I would think time better spent would be taken up to hear and understand the Lords words not others (in his name) who seem to be against taking up the word and yet at the same time seek to entangle others over words.
I will still ask a question EG, what I am looking to cut off (if it can be done at all) is the practice of doing so where I find myself playing into the sport (so to speak).
Like, all of these ???..???...??? when you just post a couple of verses in their context is of the sport, and me asking something back to the same is me stupidly engaging in the sport.
I am trying to resist that where I might find it to be true and disengage from it, which can be hard sometimes, and because you dont always see it coming, but that just shows me where my lack of watchfulness is (so to self correct) But this is perfect place to test it out but I am actually finding such a great blessing in doing so.
I will still ask a question EG, what I am looking to cut off (if it can be done at all) is the practice of doing so where I find myself playing into the sport (so to speak).
Like, all of these ???..???...??? when you just post a couple of verses in their context is of the sport, and me asking something back to the same is me stupidly engaging in the sport.
I am trying to resist that where I might find it to be true and disengage from it, which can be hard sometimes, and because you dont always see it coming, but that just shows me where my lack of watchfulness is (so to self correct) But this is perfect place to test it out but I am actually finding such a great blessing in doing so.
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I understand your pain,
The problem many of us have is we have been churched, I myself used to listen to key words, When I heard them I said ye[, I know what the person believes (whether I actually did or not did not matter, I trusted the men who told me what they believed)
It was not until I actually humbled myselfg to listen to others, and ask where I may have a question, Like, "do you really believe this?" or have I just assumed all these years. When I found freedom, and actually realised there was much more I was taught in error the just what other people believed.
The problem many of us have is we have been churched, I myself used to listen to key words, When I heard them I said ye[, I know what the person believes (whether I actually did or not did not matter, I trusted the men who told me what they believed)
It was not until I actually humbled myselfg to listen to others, and ask where I may have a question, Like, "do you really believe this?" or have I just assumed all these years. When I found freedom, and actually realised there was much more I was taught in error the just what other people believed.
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Then may I ask politely how you plan on discussing the word of God with them? How can you understand what a person believes so you can properly discuss what you believe to that person, if you do not understand what they believe?
I am not asking you to listen to them and change your belief system (although in doing so you may find out you may change that belief system, It happened to me and many others)
And no one is telling you to trust in any man, We are just asking the common courtesy, if your going to discuss our belief, give us the courtesy to find out what that belief is, And not do as some people. and assume you know what it is.
Is it not better when we do this? And I assume ( I know I know, thats bad) You would like the same courtesy instead of having someone just judging you and placing you under some group. which you do not belong to, nor hav really any comminality with..
I am not asking you to listen to them and change your belief system (although in doing so you may find out you may change that belief system, It happened to me and many others)
And no one is telling you to trust in any man, We are just asking the common courtesy, if your going to discuss our belief, give us the courtesy to find out what that belief is, And not do as some people. and assume you know what it is.
Is it not better when we do this? And I assume ( I know I know, thats bad) You would like the same courtesy instead of having someone just judging you and placing you under some group. which you do not belong to, nor hav really any comminality with..
I dont believe you need to handle all the others which come after (counterfeits or not) to discuss the scriptures, that has never interfered with the word of God or staying with the word of God
I wasnt under the impression I was discussing what your teacher has written but the scriptures
I would think it would be a common courtesy to God to remain in the doctrine we have already received
And this is my last response on this.
I wasnt under the impression I was discussing what your teacher has written but the scriptures
I would think it would be a common courtesy to God to remain in the doctrine we have already received
And this is my last response on this.
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Then sadly your not understanding a thing I have said
This is what I mean about trying to listen and understand what the other person is saying,
I already explained that I did not want you to change your belief, Just to understand others are saying before you try to discuss with them. unlike other people in this chat room.
Why you continue to think I want to change your belief system in this line of discussion, I can not fathom.
This is what I mean about trying to listen and understand what the other person is saying,
I already explained that I did not want you to change your belief, Just to understand others are saying before you try to discuss with them. unlike other people in this chat room.
Why you continue to think I want to change your belief system in this line of discussion, I can not fathom.
There is no greater revelation one can get in this life nor in the one to come then to know Christ and that He is in us and what all that means.
The knowledge of Him will never be exhausted throughout all the ages to come in eternity. He is that magnificent! The mystery is on-going.....
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
The knowledge of Him will never be exhausted throughout all the ages to come in eternity. He is that magnificent! The mystery is on-going.....
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Mystery Doctrine is not just Christ in you, but Christ in the gentiles. Not so much a mystery anymore. Going on what? 2000 years now? What's new - and the big "mystery" - is the teaching that the gospel of grace that Paul taught is different from the gospel that Christ taught his disciples. What's the saying? If it's not new it's true; if it's new it's not true.
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Colossians 1:27
To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Paul said God wanted to make this mystery known to the gentiles. Not that the mystery was Christ int he gentiles.
The mystery is, CHRIST IN YOU.. It was a mystery to the jews as well. Thats why they could not see Christ dieing unti after his death when he opened their eyes, He made the mystery known to them first
To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Paul said God wanted to make this mystery known to the gentiles. Not that the mystery was Christ int he gentiles.
The mystery is, CHRIST IN YOU.. It was a mystery to the jews as well. Thats why they could not see Christ dieing unti after his death when he opened their eyes, He made the mystery known to them first