What does the Law REALLY say?

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I could name a lot more based on the heart disposition given in the new covenant.

I don't need a written code to tell me

to drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.

Dont' need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.

Etc., etc., etc.

Do you?

Do I also hear a bravo for the law of Christ written on my heart by his Holy Spirit?
BRAVO........
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171 Exodus 30:12 - On every male giving half a shekel annually to Temple.
When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.


172 Deuteronomy 18:15 - On heeding the Prophets.
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;


173 Deuteronomy 17:15 - On appointing a king.
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.


174 Deuteronomy 17:11 - On obeying the Great Court (Sanhedrin).
According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.


175 Exodus 23:2 - On in case of division, abiding by a majority decision.
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
176 Deuteronomy 16:18 - Appointing Judges and Officers of the Court in every town.
Judges and officers shalt thou make thee in all thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, throughout thy tribes: and they shall judge the people with just judgment.


177 Leviticus 19:15 - Treating litigants equally / impartially before the law.
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


178 Leviticus 5:1 - Anyone aware of evidence must come to court to testify.
And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.


179 Deuteronomy 13:14 - The testimony of witnesses shall be examined thoroughly.
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;


180 Deuteronomy 19:19 - False witnesses punished, as they intended upon accused.
Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.


181 Deuteronomy 21:4 - On Eglah Arufah, on the heifer when murderer unknown.
And the elders of that city shall bring down the heifer unto a rough valley, which is neither eared nor sown, and shall strike off the heifer's neck there in the valley:


182 Deuteronomy 19:3 - On establishing Six Cities of Refuge.
Thou shalt prepare thee a way, and divide the coasts of thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee to inherit, into three parts, that every slayer may flee thither.


183 Numbers 35:2 - Give cities to Levites - who've no ancestral land share.
Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give also unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them.


184 Deuteronomy 22:8 - Build fence on roof, remove potential hazards from home.
When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
 

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For some odd reason the rule about the parapet or fence around the roof always struck me as a wonderful (idea) law. It is careing for others when not present. Yes the laws on behavior are wonderful. Many people do not have parapets these days for design's sake, but the law was for practical and safety reasons, and it is so wise and good.
 
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Personally, I'm saved by grace alone. Period. Nothing else. But now I try to walk in obedience to all of God's commands, including the law.
4 people liked what you said,goes to show that some of us just don't feel comfortable not helping.
GOD said that if you try to help and i'm talking about before salvation,you are polluting the finished work of CHRIST.
What i'm saying is you can't be obedient to law.You try until you realize you need help,then you by faith accept GODs grace.
you don't mix the two.
 

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No one seems to understand, those who love the law are well aware they are saved only by the Blood of the Lamb of God. We observe the law as best we are able to imitate Jesus Christ because we wish to be as much like He as is possible for each one of us. We earn nothing by living in such a manner, but we are being obedient and reverent to the Holy Sacrifice for all sin.

Our sin is forgiven. It would be ungrateful to practice breaking the Laws as taught by Jesus Christ, so we obey His laws. It is not wise to teach against obeying Jesus Christ. If we believe Jesus Christ, we do as He did, and not just repeat the words we read.
 
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No one seems to understand, those who love the law are well aware they are saved only by the Blood of the Lamb of God.
We observe the law as best we are able to imitate Jesus Christ
Keeping in mind that Jesus was born under the law (Gal 4:4),
like every other Jew and was required by the old covenant to keep it.

We are not born under the law, we are not in the old covenant,
and we are not required to keep the Mosaic laws.

In the new covenant, we keep the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6).





 
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phil112

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No one seems to understand, those who love the law are well aware they are saved only by the Blood of the Lamb of God. We observe the law as best we are able to imitate Jesus Christ ........................
I can only speak for myself here, but I understand perfectly. The whole idea behind salvation is to be obedient to Christ, not to imitate Him. You should try that sometimes.

Paul had this to say about you and your ilk: Romans 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
 

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The Law of The Eternal Elohim is not like anything carnal but the Law of moses was for the time needed When Elohim Yahushua Hamasiach gave the Law to moses on mt sinai through the ministration of angels He gave it for the good but seeing they could not keep the laws he had promised a new covenant , and quoted that He would put the Laws in their heart ,but had quoted My Laws saith the LORD . His law are unlike our laws HIS LAWS are of a higher order unlike earthly laws for the are circumstantial for the time for eventually even time will cease to be , God does not live in tabernacles made by men or either does He trully preside in a temporary place for even the heavens will cease to be but GOD IS ETERNAL GOD DOES NOT HAVE A PAST PRESENT OR FUTURE FOR HE IS ETERNAL ,FOR HE HAD TESTIFIED THAT BY SAYING " I AM " , HE IS ETERNAL . therefore by covenant Does he carries the promises from abraham to the law of moshe even ,to a land wich no one has lived in am EYERNAL RESTING GROUND OF HIS ETERNITY along side Our Creator
 

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2 Corinthians 3

Ministers of a New Covenant

1Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? 2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

12Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, 13and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. 14But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Praise The Lord Jesus Christ
 

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When Jesus spoke of how nothing by entering the body defiles the body, He went on to teach us that it is what proceeds from the heart that defiles the body, murders, adultery, covetness, etc. In so doing He emphasizes obeying the law.

It is not the hearers of the Word who are justified, it is the doers of the Word. ¨Start by hearing our Savior, then obey Him. It is its own reward.

If some will not hear truth from one who is alive, they will not hear even from one who is risen from the dead.



Mar 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mar 7:16
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mar 7:17
And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

Mar 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mar 7:19
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mar 7:20
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mar 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:22
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:


Mar 7:23
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 

JaumeJ

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Most of what Jesus Christ teaches us is from the Old Testament. He, Himself, is the revelation and fulfillment of the Prophets and Moses. Please do not pervert the grace of the Blood of the Precious Lamb of God to include disobedience, for Jesus Christ never taught such, and there is only one gospel, the gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no other. As Paul teaches, if anyone come preaching another gospel, not that there is one, let him be accursed.

When Jesus spoke of how nothing by entering the body defiles the body, He went on to teach us that it is what proceeds from the heart that defiles the body, murders, adultery, covetness, etc. In so doing He emphasizes obeying the law.

It is not the hearers of the Word who are justified, it is the doers of the Word. ¨Start by hearing our Savior, then obey Him. It is its own reward.

If some will not hear truth from one who is alive, they will not hear even from one who is risen from the dead.



Mar 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mar 7:16
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mar 7:17
And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

Mar 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mar 7:19
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mar 7:20
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mar 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:22
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:


Mar 7:23
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 

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What Does the Law really say, ok can't get anymore simple.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

law Strong Greek 3551 nomos

Strong's Concordance

nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law​
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)

Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Have a great day everyone :)
 
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Most of what Jesus Christ teaches us is from the Old Testament. He, Himself, is the revelation and fulfillment of the Prophets and Moses. Please do not pervert the grace of the Blood of the Precious Lamb of God to include disobedience, for Jesus Christ never taught such, and there is only one gospel, the gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no other. As Paul teaches, if anyone come preaching another gospel, not that there is one, let him be accursed.
It is not obedience to the law that keeps a man from sin, it is receiving grace through the word and Spirit that quickens us and keeps us from fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and keeps sin from having dominion over us. The believer does not walk by faith through obedience to the law, he walks by faith through the promises of God and and trusts these promises to keep him from the corruption that is in the world through lust. JaumeJ, by this time, I would think that a believer who has been saved by the grace of Yeshua as long as you have been would know these things and practice them. The old system of keeping the law is vanished away and the new system of walking by faith in God's promises is how we are led by the Spirit of God.

Faith in the promises pleases God and without it we have no access to the grace of God. Keeping the law under the old priesthood does not give any believer access to God's throne of grace nor in obtaining mercy, but under the new priesthood we have unfettered access, anywhere and at any time. We have an advocated under grace but there was no advocate in heaven under the law. In keeping the law under the old priesthood, offerings had to be made continually for the people but under grace we have a once and for all sacrifice and we appropriate that sacrifice by faith and we are justified forever. We do not have to keep the law to maintain our justification or acceptance with God or to be pleasing in His sight.

If we sin outwardly or in our heart the Holy Spirit convicts and leads us to the grace of God that we might be restored in our fellowship with our Lord Jesus Christ. If we sin we do not repent and go back to keeping the law because we are not under the law but under grace. This is what Yeshua has done for us under the new covenant and Yeshau is our advocate for this new and living way, old things have passed away and all things have become new and better and we have His seal of approval through the blood and the Spirit given unto us. It can not be changed or altered by going back to serving God through keeping the law, we serve the living God by faith through the Spirit and walk in the light of the promises that have established the new covenant through the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua and who is at the right hand of God ever living to make intercession for us without ceasing.
 
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When Jesus spoke of how nothing by entering the body defiles the body, He went on to teach us that it is what proceeds from the heart that defiles the body, murders, adultery, covetness, etc. In so doing He emphasizes obeying the law.

Jesus entire ministry was speaken to those under the law,
in his preparing them for grace.



 

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Jesus affirmed all of the OT. The apostles and early disciples only had the OT from which to declare Jesus as the Christ. What Jesus and the apostles taught was that the OT is not about legalism but must be understood in the Holy Spirit. The law is now written in the hearts of believers. Not written in tablets of stone but in the flesh of our hearts. Many profess to knowledge f what to believe but seem to lack the knowledge of how to believe.

For the cause of Christ
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Most of what Jesus Christ teaches us is from the Old Testament. He, Himself, is the revelation and fulfillment of the Prophets and Moses.
Was there any other testament for him to teach from?

Jesus spoke to those under the law.

Please do not pervert the grace of the Blood of the Precious Lamb of God to include disobedience,
Red herring. . .
 

JaumeJ

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His entire minisry was under the law. He saved the woman caught in adultery from being stoned, a law replaced by grace.

He teaches, you have heard it said an eye for an eye, another law, yet He teaches us to trun the other cheek. Another law changed by Jesus replaced also by grace.

Do you wish to ammend your misinforamtion in your post? It seems to me you have made yourself a lawyer teaching the law. I ask people to observe the laws that remain after the example and teaching of Jesus Christ. This has been posted for all eyes, including yours, but you seem to be blind to this grace.



Jesus entire ministry was speaken to those under the law,
in his preparing them for grace.



 

JaumeJ

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What I shared was for the benefit of all who may read my post, but you seem to have a bug somewhere and it makes you attempt to belittle anything I pass on from the Lord, Jesus Chrsit. Do not pervert the Blood of the Lamb as to include disobedience. This is from Jesus Christ's tachings. So you keep making your cute quips, but I will continue passing on as much of the goodness and love from Jesus Christ as I am given to pass on. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and His blood has given me grace to live with Him forever, so in the meantime I do my best to obey HIs teachings, not the teachings voted on by a majority of warm and fuzzy we-don't-need-to-show-our appreciation hypocrites.

Was there any other testament for him to teach from?

Jesus spoke to those under the law.


Red herring. . .
 
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Jesus ministry was His teachings to the Jews on how one should walk in the new covenant made by His own blood.

He thought this to the apostles, and then commissioned the apostles to carry it out to us.

The words that He spoke in His teachings did not just apply to them, and did not die with Him on the cross.