What does the Law REALLY say?

[KohenMatt]

IDOLATRY

185 Deuteronomy 12:2 - On destroying all idolatry and its appurtenances.
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:


186 Deuteronomy 13:16 - The law about a city that has become apostate / perverted.
And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


187 Deuteronomy 20:17 - On the law about destroying the seven Canaanite nations.
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:


188 Deuteronomy 25:19 - On the extinction of the seed of Amalek.
Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.


189 Deuteronomy 25:17 - On remembering the evil deeds of Amalek to Israel.
Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;

 

[Elin]

Jesus entire ministry was speaken to
those under the law, in his
preparing them for grace.

His entire minisry was under the law.
He saved the woman caught in adultery from being stoned,
a law replaced by grace.

Previously addressed.

That could bear some revisiting by you.

They didn't bring the woman to Jesus to be stoned,
they brought her situation to Jesus to trap him.

And there was no legal basis in that situation for stoning her,
therefore, Jesus obeyed the law, not suspending it,
when he did not say she should be stoned, illegally.

And he likewise took the opportunity to point out the sin
of those who were trying to trap him
(which is what I think he was writing in the sand,
which caused them to leave one by one).

He teaches, you have heard it said an eye for an eye, another law, yet He teaches us to trun the other cheek.
Another law changed by Jesus replaced also by grace.

Yes, that is what I mean by preparing those who were under the law at the time
for the future law of grace under the covenant of grace.

He did the same in Mt 22:37-40.

Do you wish to ammend your misinforamtion in your post?

What misinformation is that?

It seems to me you have made yourself a lawyer teaching the law. I ask people to
observe the laws that remain after the example and teaching of Jesus Christ. This has been posted for all eyes, including yours, but you seem to be blind to this grace.

However, the example you give of the woman taken in adultery is an example of Jesus following the law,
not an example of suspending it.

This passage does not support your particular theology of NT mercy.

 

[KohenMatt]

WAR

190 Deuteronomy 20:11 - Regulations for wars other than ones commanded in Torah.
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.


191 Deuteronomy 20:2 - Cohen for special duties in war.
And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people,


192 Deuteronomy 23:14 - Prepare place beyond the camp, so to keep sanitary and...
For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee.


193 Deuteronomy 23:13 - ...so include a digging tool among war implements.
And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

 

[Elin]

Please do not pervert the grace of the Blood of the Precious Lamb of God
to include disobedience,

Red herring. . .

What I shared was for the benefit of all who may read my post, but you seem to have a bug somewhere and it makes you attempt to belittle anything I pass on from the Lord, Jesus Chrsit.
Do not pervert the Blood of the Lamb as to include disobedience.

You have me confused with someone else.

 

[JaumeJ]

Must be the same one Red Tent confuses for you...........

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Is anyone suggesting we just tear up the Old Testament, oh no! Just the parts you have edited? It is there for the edification of all.

To paraphrase our Lord, Jesus Christ, if you knew Moses and the Prophets, you would already know Jesus Christ for they write or Him. You cannot pick and choose Holy Scripture if it is truly inspired by God, and it is.

Is anyone suggesting we just tear up the Old Testament, oh no! Just the parts you have edited? It is there for the edification of all.

I was hoping you would recognize that the law was not given for our edification,although it did humble us to the point that we call out for help after realizing that although we were willing in the spirit,we were weak because of the flesh and only through the grace of GOD in CHRIST could we made perfect and acceptable to a HOLY GOD.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Apparently some are just programmed to attack those upholding the law.

Maybe its just the way you say it.Its just that if you mean it the way that you say it,it sounds like you are taking the credit and what I am trying to say is that GOD in CHRIST(JESUS) is the only one that was able to fulfill the whole law and the blood that he shed at the cross on our behalf was accepted by a HOLY GOD and peace was made so that those who believe in the word of GOD might be delivered from the body of death because of the sin nature passed down from Adam.

 

[JaumeJ]

My understanding is that all here who love Jesus Christ and observe the law according to the teachings of Jesus Christ do so within the parameters of good works inspired by their salvation.

The actual salvation is exclusively of Jesus Christ.

It all boils down to gratitude and thanksgiving.

No one is saved by works; all are saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

 

[KohenMatt]

SOCIAL

194 Leviticus 6:4 - On a robber to restore the stolen article to its owner.
Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,


195 Deuteronomy 15:8 - On to give charity to the poor.
But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.


196 Deuteronomy 15:14 - On giving gifts to a Hebrew bondman upon his freedom.
Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.


197 Exodus 22:25 - On lending money to the poor without interest.
If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.


198 Deuteronomy 23:20 - On lending money to the foreigner with interest.
Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.


199 Deuteronomy 24:13 - On restoring a pledge to its owner if he needs it.
In any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down, that he may sleep in his own raiment, and bless thee: and it shall be righteousness unto thee before the LORD thy God.


200 Deuteronomy 24:15 - On paying the worker his wages on time.
At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee.


201 Deuteronomy 23:24 - Employee is allowed to eat the produce he's working in.
When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.


202 Exodus 23:5 - On helping unload when necessary a tired animal.
If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.


203 Deuteronomy 22:4 - On assisting a man loading his beast with its burden.
Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.


204 Deuteronomy 22:1 - On that lost property must be returned to its owner.
Thou shalt not see thy brother's ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.


205 Leviticus 19:17 - On being required to reprove the sinner.
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.


206 Leviticus 19:18 - On love your neighbor as yourself.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


207 Deuteronomy 10:19 - On being commanded to love the convert / proselyte.
Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


208 Leviticus 19:36 - On the law of accurate weights and measures.
Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.

 

[Elin]

My understanding is that all here who love Jesus Christ and observe the law
according to the teachings of Jesus Christ

Keeping in mind that Jesus spoke to those who were under the law.

And in so doing, gave them his law for the NT (Mt 22:37-39) which we observe
according to his teaching.

do so within the parameters of good works inspired by their salvation.

The actual salvation is exclusively of Jesus Christ.

It all boils down to gratitude and thanksgiving.

For me it's about knowing God and seeking his face more and more.

It's not so much about being pushed by gratitude,
as it is about being pulled by who he is.

No one is saved by works; all are saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

And all the saints said, "Amen!"

 

[chubbena]

I don't need a written code to tell me not

to worship idols or take God's name in vain,
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others.

Do you?

Just wondering where one gets the idea other than the "OT" portion of the Bible that it's wrong
to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others.

The "NT" portion? And the NT is written by man and inspired by the Holy Spirit unlike the "OT" portion? And the NT is not some sort of written code?

 

[chubbena]

SOCIAL

194 Leviticus 6:4 - On a robber to restore the stolen article to its owner.
Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,


195 Deuteronomy 15:8 - On to give charity to the poor.
But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.


196 Deuteronomy 15:14 - On giving gifts to a Hebrew bondman upon his freedom.
Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.


197 Exodus 22:25 - On lending money to the poor without interest.
If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.


198 Deuteronomy 23:20 - On lending money to the foreigner with interest.
Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.


199 Deuteronomy 24:13 - On restoring a pledge to its owner if he needs it.
In any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down, that he may sleep in his own raiment, and bless thee: and it shall be righteousness unto thee before the LORD thy God.


200 Deuteronomy 24:15 - On paying the worker his wages on time.
At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee.


201 Deuteronomy 23:24 - Employee is allowed to eat the produce he's working in.
When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel.


202 Exodus 23:5 - On helping unload when necessary a tired animal.
If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.


203 Deuteronomy 22:4 - On assisting a man loading his beast with its burden.
Thou shalt not see thy brother's ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.


204 Deuteronomy 22:1 - On that lost property must be returned to its owner.
Thou shalt not see thy brother's ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.


205 Leviticus 19:17 - On being required to reprove the sinner.
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.


206 Leviticus 19:18 - On love your neighbor as yourself.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


207 Deuteronomy 10:19 - On being commanded to love the convert / proselyte.
Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


208 Leviticus 19:36 - On the law of accurate weights and measures.
Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.

194 - today the victim is seldom compensated.
195 - today charity is usually not for the poor.
196 - today many bound by credit card companies.
197 & 198 - today the poor pays the most interest.
199 - today they take away the house permanently.
200 - probably the only law standing.
201 - that's ground for dismissal...

 

[Elin]

But then does the law in our conscious has to align with the written law? Otherwise
how do we define the law of "love"?

Previously answered.

Just wondering where one gets the idea other than the "OT" portion of the Bible
that it's wrong
to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others.

The "NT" portion?
And the NT is written by man and inspired by the Holy Spirit unlike the "OT" portion?

You really don't understand what loving means, whether its God, parents or neighbors, do you?

Can't really help you there, it's an issue of the heart governed by the Holy Spirit.

And the NT is not some sort of written code?

Do you see a written code in Mt 22:37-39?

 

[Elin]

I don't need a written code to tell me not

to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others.

Bravo to those who are born with this knowledge and quality.
More marvellous is one could name all these sins without referring to the "old" scripture.

I could name a lot more based on the heart disposition given in the new covenant.

I don't need a written code to tell me
to drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.

Dont' need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.

Etc., etc., etc.

Do you?

Do I also hear a bravo for the law of Christ written on my heart by his Holy Spirit?

But then does the law in our conscious has to align with the written law? Otherwise
how do we define the law of "love"?

Previously answered.

Just wondering where one gets the idea other than the "OT" portion of the Bible
that it's wrong
to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others.

The "NT" portion?
And the NT is written by man and inspired by the Holy Spirit unlike the "OT" portion?

You're repeating yourself.

You really don't understand what loving means, whether its God, parents or neighbors, do you?

Can't really help you there, it's an issue of the heart governed by the Holy Spirit.

And the NT is not some sort of written code?

Do you see a written code in Mt 22:37-39?

 

[KohenMatt]

FAMILY

209 Leviticus 19:32 - On honoring the old (and wise).
Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD.


210 Exodus 20:12 - On honoring parents.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.


211 Leviticus19:3 - On fearing parents.
Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.


212 Genesis1:28 - On to be fruitful and multiply.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


213 Deuteronomy 24:1 - On the law of marriage.
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.


214 Deuteronomy 24:5 - On bridegroom devotes himself to his wife for one year.
When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.


215 Genesis17:10 - On circumcising one's son.
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.


216 Deuteronomy 25:5 - If a man dies childless his brother marry widow, or...
If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.


217 Deuteronomy 25:9 - ...release her / the-widow Chalitzah.
Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.


218 Deuteronomy 22:29 - A violator must marry the virgin / maiden he has violated.
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


219 Deuteronomy 22:18 - The defamer of his bride is flogged and may never divorce.
And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;


220 Exodus 22:16 - On the seducer must be punished according to the law.
And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.


221 Deuteronomy 21:11 - Captive women treated according to special regulations.
And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;


222 Deuteronomy 24:1 - The law of divorce, only be means of written document.
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.


223 Numbers 5:15 - Suspected adulteress has to submit to the required test.
Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

 

[just-me]

Let's all invoke some common sense into the reality of a nation, community, church, or household who rejects instruction i.e. laws for the sake of peace and liberty. So many in the Christian realm will indicate that one cannot be free unless the law of the old testament is completely done away with. It is like the situation in Ferguson, Missouri. The unrest in that town started with a nature of lawlessness, disrespecting officers of the law. Disrespect the principles written in law of God, and the same thing happens with any society. Chaos reigns and freedom is lost.

Was the half brother of Jesus (James) talking about Paul's writings to the Gentiles, or was He writing about the scriptures they had at the time?

Now with that said, what on earth do we think the law of liberty really is?

James 1:22-26
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way , and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was .
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said , Do not commit adultery , said also, Do not kill . Now if thou commit no adultery , yet if thou kill , thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye , and so do , as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
(James 2:10-12)

 

[KohenMatt]

JUDICIAL

224 Deuteronomy 25:2 - On whipping transgressors of certain commandments.
And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.


225 Numbers 35:25 - On exile to city of refuge for unintentional
homicide.
And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.


226 Exodus 21:20 - On punishment of transgressors of certain commandments.
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.


227 Exodus 21:16 - On strangling transgressors of certain commandments.
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.


228 Leviticus 20:14 - On burning transgressors of certain commandments.
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.


229 Deuteronomy 22:24 - On stoning transgressors of certain commandments.
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.


230 Deuteronomy 21:22 - Hang after execution, violators of certain commandments.
And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:


231 Deuteronomy 21:23 - On burial on the same day of execution.
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

 

[chubbena]

I was hoping you would recognize that the law was not given for our edification,although it did humble us to the point that we call out for help after realizing that although we were willing in the spirit,we were weak because of the flesh and only through the grace of GOD in CHRIST could we made perfect and acceptable to a HOLY GOD.

And I'm hoping one understands what Paul was referring to when he said in 2 Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[SUP] [/SUP]may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Of course he didn't explicitly said edification but nonetheless the law is good.

 

[chubbena]

Previously answered.


You really don't understand what loving means, whether its God, parents or neighbors, do you?

Can't really help you there, it's an issue of the heart governed by the Holy Spirit.

I totally understand the frustration when one does not admit the "OT" is scripture.

Do you see a written code in Mt 22:37-39?

Do you see it's from the "OT" scripture which you called it "written code"?

 

[chubbena]

Previously answered.


You're repeating yourself.

You really don't understand what loving means, whether its God, parents or neighbors, do you?

Can't really help you there, it's an issue of the heart governed by the Holy Spirit.


Do you see a written code in Mt 22:37-39?

The scripture gives same answer when same question is posted. The word of God does not change like shifting shadows.