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There is nowhere in the Bible that says compromise is righteous. That's the Doctrine of Balaam. Liberalism has infiltrated the church. I know who they are as I was a hated vet when I came home from Nam. It's free this and free that without any accountability for perverse actions henceforth letting evil reign. The church has forsaken the law of righteousness because of a vein grace doctrine.
Ezekiel 33:4-6
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning ; if the sword come , and take him away , his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning ; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come , and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned ; if the sword come , and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Ezekiel 33:4-6
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning ; if the sword come , and take him away , his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning ; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come , and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned ; if the sword come , and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
May I ask? Did you defend for my right to say Do no harm? Or did you defend so that you could claim to be better than me? Because it is statements like that, that make me lose respect for some veterans. What ever happened the ways of Voltaire, "I disagree with all you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."? If you truly went out to defend the rights of the people, stop telling us you did so. For there is the righteous man, who lives and dies for his fellow man, and naught but his friends know him and exalt him before the Lord saying, "Lord, here is a humble man, for he did what we would not." Then, there is the proud man, who lived and died for himself, preaching his humility and duty. For he exalted himself saying, "I will do, what you will not."
I respect those in the Armed Forces. My father was a Marine, my brother a Naval Officer, my uncle a 'Nam vet, my grandfather a Normandy lander, my great uncle a POW. These men walked with humility, my grandfather going to great lengths to never talk about himself. The only time my grandfather ever spoke openly about his opinion of war was when my father entered the Marine Corps. My grandfather said, "There is a war going on in vietnam and you want to join the Marines. I'm proud you want to serve, but your a fool for wanting to go to war." My father has never forgotten those words, because when my brother entered the Navy to go overseas and fight in the Middle East, my father said the very same words. I don't personally know what war is, but if the two most humble and kind men I've ever known keep calling men fools for wanting to go to war, I know that war is foolish. AND when Christ calls me to sacrifice, suffer, and love in His name, then I will do that also. Stop attacking men who wish to serve Christ in the most severe ways.
I respect those in the Armed Forces. My father was a Marine, my brother a Naval Officer, my uncle a 'Nam vet, my grandfather a Normandy lander, my great uncle a POW. These men walked with humility, my grandfather going to great lengths to never talk about himself. The only time my grandfather ever spoke openly about his opinion of war was when my father entered the Marine Corps. My grandfather said, "There is a war going on in vietnam and you want to join the Marines. I'm proud you want to serve, but your a fool for wanting to go to war." My father has never forgotten those words, because when my brother entered the Navy to go overseas and fight in the Middle East, my father said the very same words. I don't personally know what war is, but if the two most humble and kind men I've ever known keep calling men fools for wanting to go to war, I know that war is foolish. AND when Christ calls me to sacrifice, suffer, and love in His name, then I will do that also. Stop attacking men who wish to serve Christ in the most severe ways.
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Awww you two think I am self righteous because I would defend someone's life that was In danger. Have you two read any of my earlier posts? Do you know what the main argument is? And funny you think I was in the military. You just kinda took that for granted..well wrong. Maybe you should understand the main point before you judge others. Just saying 
I respect your military family. I said the same thing to my son and grandson. Where I am coming from is the pacifism of the populace actually being taught by numerous Christian denominations from border to border. Many reject that the reason for this pacifism stems from the teaching that the law of God is not for Christians and if enforced is works minus faith. Most don't even know that much of the law has everything to do with righteous self governing principles.
Is not the United States a country that was founded on self governing principles? Our forefathers knew that if we forsook even part of the Bible as a nation, that the constitution would fail. Because of this falsehood of doctrinal teaching, we haven't any idea how to conduct ourselves as a nation. Professing Christians go to voting booths. How can righteous concepts be on their minds when they have no idea how God can preserve an entire country saying the law was (in the past) strictly for Israel and the Jews and not for us. Good grief! I'm not talking just about the ten commandments as we know them. Let's awake unto righteousness.
1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Just because the works of the law cannot save anyone doesn't mean we make them void, having no knowledge of how to present them to the lawless for the sake of peace and love.
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
This describes the pacifism (falling away) of the church that allows this to happen to a country that was built on the blessings of God to begin with.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition;
Is not the United States a country that was founded on self governing principles? Our forefathers knew that if we forsook even part of the Bible as a nation, that the constitution would fail. Because of this falsehood of doctrinal teaching, we haven't any idea how to conduct ourselves as a nation. Professing Christians go to voting booths. How can righteous concepts be on their minds when they have no idea how God can preserve an entire country saying the law was (in the past) strictly for Israel and the Jews and not for us. Good grief! I'm not talking just about the ten commandments as we know them. Let's awake unto righteousness.
1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Just because the works of the law cannot save anyone doesn't mean we make them void, having no knowledge of how to present them to the lawless for the sake of peace and love.
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
This describes the pacifism (falling away) of the church that allows this to happen to a country that was built on the blessings of God to begin with.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition;
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Still don't see any New Testament verses. Folks just keep quoting the Old Testament to justify a false Theology. But if we are under the Old Testament still, then why are we not out trying to build a Temple and to re-establish the priesthood so we can sacrifice animals again? Is not the Temple veil torn? Did not Jesus say not to put new wine into old wine skins? In other words, if this teaching was really important as some folks here are proclaiming, then wouldn't we also see this teaching in the New Testament clearly, too? If so, where is this teaching in the New Testament? I sure don't see it. It is only a few verses taken out of context. There is no examples of Jesus and the apostles fighting and there is no doctrine on the art of war in regards to self defense, etc. In other words, to build a Theology in the New Testament that does not clearly exist is just biased, worldly, and wrong.
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The funniest part of someone calling me self righteous here is that never once has anyone on either side of this debate said they were better than anyone else. All I said was get ready for the way around what we said and get ready for the circle.
Give credit to everyone here that as far as I have seen Noone said they were better than anyone else because of their view.
Give credit to everyone here that as far as I have seen Noone said they were better than anyone else because of their view.
Are not these three verses quoted in post 905 New Testament?
1 Corinthains 15:34, 1 Timothy 1:9, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3
1 Corinthains 15:34, 1 Timothy 1:9, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3
So is it still wrong to
1. Kill
2. Lie
3. Cheat and steal
4. Commit adultery
Dude you are a joke for sure....vacillating is a word that comes to mind and it is equally obvious that you do not understand the PRINCIPLES of the LAW and of the O.T> Neither do you understand the UNCHANGING nature and CHARACTER of GOD.
WE ARE NOT UNDER the condemnation of the LAW and that is what has changed as JESUS SAID NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE of the law WILL PASS until ALL THINGS BE FULFILLED so.....go to seed on your misunderstanding of the LAW and the PRINCIPLES found therein as it is OBVIOUS TO ALL but maybe a few who are just like you!
1. Kill
2. Lie
3. Cheat and steal
4. Commit adultery
Dude you are a joke for sure....vacillating is a word that comes to mind and it is equally obvious that you do not understand the PRINCIPLES of the LAW and of the O.T> Neither do you understand the UNCHANGING nature and CHARACTER of GOD.
WE ARE NOT UNDER the condemnation of the LAW and that is what has changed as JESUS SAID NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE of the law WILL PASS until ALL THINGS BE FULFILLED so.....go to seed on your misunderstanding of the LAW and the PRINCIPLES found therein as it is OBVIOUS TO ALL but maybe a few who are just like you!
Moral Laws are eternal. Hence, why the moral law in the Old Covenant has been carried over into the New Covenant, which is called the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), and the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2) and or the royal law (James 2:8) which is to love your neighbor as yourself, which fulfills the Law (Romans 13:8-10). For it is always wrong to steal, murder, cheat, and or to commit sexual immorality. For if Pacificism was a sin, then the Lord couldn't have been a pacifist to his death in order to die for our sins. That's what everyone here is ignoring. The life that Jesus lived and we are to follow his example and not our own example.
What is the purpose of the Old Testament if we are only to follow the rules set out in the New Testament? Well, every single page in the Old Testament speaks of Jesus Christ. For there are hundreds of fulfilled Messianic prophecies, Messianic end times prophecies, typifications of Christ, and hidden messages all over the place. In fact, Genesis chapter one is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. So one day, I asked the Lord to show me something that related to Him and I discovered the life of Christ or the gospel in the 7 days of Genesis. If your interested, you can check that out here....
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=90762
Also, all of the different types of offerings in the Old Testament are a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of our Lord, too. The grain offerings are symbolic of his body (bread) and the drink offerings are symbolic of his blood (wine) and the animal sacrifices, which consist of meat and blood is symbolic of both Christ's body and blood.
Oh, and to check out some interesting typifications of Christ in the Old Testament, please see this thread here...
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=90860
Anyways, besides finding Christ within the Old Testament, what other purpose does the Old Covenant serve? Well, the Old Covenant confirms New Covenant doctrines and helps gives us a glimpse where believers are headed in the future with their life in Christ.
What kind of New Covenant doctrines or teachings can we find in the Old Covenant? Well, I believe that God's plan of salvation has not changed. Believers thru out all points in time are justified by faith in the Messiah. The Old Covenant saint was circumcised in heart and the New Covenant saint is born again spiritually. Circumcision was an outward sign of a believer's changed heart in the Old, just as baptism is an outward sign or public declaration of a believer's new heart in the New. For Jesus was surprised that Nicodemus did not know about being born again. For all believers thru out all of time are reborn spiritually and justified by faith in the Messiah; And all believers thru out time had abided in the Son. For he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=90762
Also, all of the different types of offerings in the Old Testament are a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of our Lord, too. The grain offerings are symbolic of his body (bread) and the drink offerings are symbolic of his blood (wine) and the animal sacrifices, which consist of meat and blood is symbolic of both Christ's body and blood.
Oh, and to check out some interesting typifications of Christ in the Old Testament, please see this thread here...
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=90860
Anyways, besides finding Christ within the Old Testament, what other purpose does the Old Covenant serve? Well, the Old Covenant confirms New Covenant doctrines and helps gives us a glimpse where believers are headed in the future with their life in Christ.
What kind of New Covenant doctrines or teachings can we find in the Old Covenant? Well, I believe that God's plan of salvation has not changed. Believers thru out all points in time are justified by faith in the Messiah. The Old Covenant saint was circumcised in heart and the New Covenant saint is born again spiritually. Circumcision was an outward sign of a believer's changed heart in the Old, just as baptism is an outward sign or public declaration of a believer's new heart in the New. For Jesus was surprised that Nicodemus did not know about being born again. For all believers thru out all of time are reborn spiritually and justified by faith in the Messiah; And all believers thru out time had abided in the Son. For he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
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