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I feel you! I understand what you mean. I just feel as if many are walking on eggshells. Everyone is worried about making sure they are doing it "right".
I'm 27, grew up with Christian parents. Around 12 years old I began making a conscious effort to live for the Lord. Ever since, I've had my ups and downs, but during all that time, I had the opportunity to meet different Christians and serve in the music ministry in a few different churches.
Throughout my time I realized that people in the church, are just normal people. For some reason as a kid I remember that a lot of the folks serving in the church would actively make efforts to somehow seem spotless, or proper. Not sure what word to use. As years went by I saw people fall into drugs, pastors cheat on their wives, people doubt Gods goodness, and women fall into "temptation".
The reason I bring this up is not to shame the church and call them names, but to bring awareness to the fact that Jesus doesn't automatically and perpetually make anything "better". Most people spend their lives fighting urges just to fail. Once they do, they feel terrible guilt and it really destroys some people.
Not to mention how there is a very high risk in kids developing in such a way that they may see non Christians as bad people, I know I did for a long time.
In the past 2 years of my life things have been changing. Not sure where I'm going, but I know for a fact that people can Be good people even without Jesus.
I'm 27, grew up with Christian parents. Around 12 years old I began making a conscious effort to live for the Lord. Ever since, I've had my ups and downs, but during all that time, I had the opportunity to meet different Christians and serve in the music ministry in a few different churches.
Throughout my time I realized that people in the church, are just normal people. For some reason as a kid I remember that a lot of the folks serving in the church would actively make efforts to somehow seem spotless, or proper. Not sure what word to use. As years went by I saw people fall into drugs, pastors cheat on their wives, people doubt Gods goodness, and women fall into "temptation".
The reason I bring this up is not to shame the church and call them names, but to bring awareness to the fact that Jesus doesn't automatically and perpetually make anything "better". Most people spend their lives fighting urges just to fail. Once they do, they feel terrible guilt and it really destroys some people.
Not to mention how there is a very high risk in kids developing in such a way that they may see non Christians as bad people, I know I did for a long time.
In the past 2 years of my life things have been changing. Not sure where I'm going, but I know for a fact that people can Be good people even without Jesus.
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People like to use the term 'Pharrisitical' (however you spell that, lol). By all appearances good on the outside, but full of wickedness and greed and lust on the inside.
Yes, I have too. But I also know how close I've come to being one of them..................well, not the part about women........I'm a guy.
I would change that to say he doesn't automatically make everything better. But surely victory over sin in some measure begins the moment the Holy Spirit comes into you.
Key word 'fighting'. It's because the church is terribly ignorant about 'how' to stand up to temptation in the Holy Spirit, and because of that don't teach that. God does the fighting for us if we'll just sit still and let him. I know, I know, still easier said than done. But surely better than fighting it out in our own powerlessness without aid of Holy Spirit.
Yes, we're taught to do that. What we are not taught to do is sympathize with them.
But can people be righteous without Jesus? The answer is 'no'.
Yes, I have too. But I also know how close I've come to being one of them..................well, not the part about women........I'm a guy.
I would change that to say he doesn't automatically make everything better. But surely victory over sin in some measure begins the moment the Holy Spirit comes into you.
Key word 'fighting'. It's because the church is terribly ignorant about 'how' to stand up to temptation in the Holy Spirit, and because of that don't teach that. God does the fighting for us if we'll just sit still and let him. I know, I know, still easier said than done. But surely better than fighting it out in our own powerlessness without aid of Holy Spirit.
Yes, we're taught to do that. What we are not taught to do is sympathize with them.
But can people be righteous without Jesus? The answer is 'no'.
It's the nature of this forum to have debate and discussion. Exactly what is the point of your posts if you are not willing to discuss what you have written? Do you really think that your the only one here that has spiritual understanding? This strikes me as being arrogant and that you are not to be taken seriously.
You just said that all who come to Jesus are saved and immediately say that those that don't have the Holy Spirit are not saved. I guess that you meant to say that only some that come to Jesus are saved but not everyone who comes to Jesus. It would also be helpful if you were to provide scripture to support your positions on certain points. Nobody is just going to simply take your word for anything.
I knew you would't like it. The bible and scriptures are for those that believe, so they are the ones that are getting instructions, not the lost, they don't want God or the bible. Scriptures are taking to the believers about the lost, and no longer be like them. it is not talking to the lost.
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