A Question about Free Will, Hell and how it is all set up.

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trofimus

trofimus

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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
You are saying that the best plan God could come up with is one where He ends up sending people to Hell even though He doesn't want to?
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God could imagine all possible plans of unending amount of Universes. He and only He knows why this one is the best.

Mouse can say how our houses should look like. Cats can say how our houses should look like. Bees have another opinion.

And so you are trying to say what you think is not perfect in your eyes. But you can see later, when you will be changed to a higher being, why it had to be this way.
 
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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
You are saying that the best plan God could come up with is one where He ends up sending people to Hell even though He doesn't want to?
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Everyone has a choice. Is there a God? That is a pretty important question to ask, and probably most people ask it. If they sincerely seek an answer, they will find an answer. It is promised.
 
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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
How can God do it? He can do it because He is God. To say He cannot would be saying that He is not God.
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That's a rationalization of philosophers. GOD does "limit" himself. For example, he cannot do evil or lie. He cannot contradict what he says. He is a GOD of righteousness (justice) and order.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
That's a rationalization of philosophers. GOD does "limit" himself. For example, he cannot do evil or lie. He cannot contradict what he says. He is a GOD of righteousness (justice) and order.
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You are saying that God limits Himself so that He has to send people to Hell?
 
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trofimus said:
God could imagine all possible plans of unending amount of Universes. He and only He knows why this one is the best.

Mouse can say how our houses should look like. Cats can say how our houses should look like. Bees have another opinion.

And so you are trying to say what you think is not perfect in your eyes. But you can see later, when you will be changed to a higher being, why it had to be this way.
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How can I accept that this as what is best if I do not know? How can I have faith in God if He does not want to make sense to me?
 
trofimus

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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
He can make it so that they do acknowledge Him as Host without contradicting their free will.
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Are you one of people saying that God can create a circle with corners, if He wishes?

I am just asking. Because I do not think its true. His omnipotence does not include logical contradictions.
 
trofimus

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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
How can I accept that this as what is best if I do not know? How can I have faith in God if He does not want to make sense to me?
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It all does make sense. You just dont like it because you would do it differently if you could. IMHO.
 
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trofimus said:
Are you one of people saying that God can create a circle with corners, if He wishes?

I am just asking.
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Omnipotence - The quality of having unlimited or very great power. In God's case, it is unlimited power. So, unless God does not have unlimited power, then He can create a circle with corners.
 
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trofimus said:
It all does make sense. You just dont like it because you would do it differently if you could. IMHO.
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God sending people to Hell despite Him not wanting to send them to Hell while at the same time not exercising his ability to send them to Heaven does not make sense to me.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
Omnipotence - The quality of having unlimited or very great power. In God's case, it is unlimited power. So, unless God does not have unlimited power, then He can create a circle with corners.
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Again you're indulging in the circular reasonings of philosophy. GOD cannot contradict what he is.
 
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Kevin_Bo-Bevin said:
I am trying to understand why God, despite His love, would send people to Hell when He doesn't have to. I'm sorry, but I need a better answer than "This is the reality!"
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You have obviously not read all my posts.
#63 explains why this is the case!
It is NOT because He has any choice in the matter!

If God is God then He has to administer perfect justice - sin CANNOT be overlooked or ignored.
I already told you that God put Jesus Christ on the cross, this Jesus did willingly, to pay the price for our sins.
However, no one can be forced to accept what Jesus Christ did on the cross for them - free will is a reality!

You are trying to imply, or perhaps baldly state, that what God does is unfair and unjust, but this is not the case!
No individual will receive a negative judgement before God and spend an eternity in hell who does not deserve it!

Everyone who spends an eternity in heaven also deserves to spend an eternity in hell, read Romans for the low-down here, but solely because they have accepted, by grace through faith, the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on their behalf on the cross will not receive the ultimate penalty of spiritual death (eternal separation from God) because Jesus Christ has paid that price!

God would rather have every individual take up his offer of eternal life in Jesus Christ but most refuse the offer...
Somehow you think that God should force them to what they do not want to do - that violates both the character and nature of God as well as basis of our creation as free-will creatures.

As Christians we are free will, loving, children of God, all related by the blood of Jesus Christ NOT inmates of a spiritual prison imprisoned against our will...
 
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