A Request to the Teachers

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laura_charlotte

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Meggido said:
It is a real joy when you can find a teacher that is both anointed and educated....the primary example we have for this is the Apostle Paul....he was both.....
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Regardless of whether they're anointed or not, formally or otherwise, some will disregard the message because they don't approve of the messenger. It may well be a perfectly valid message stated in honour but a person who is rife with the enemy's deception will shoot it down out of insecurity, possibly more so when it's come from the Lord.
 
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Susanna said:
I guess you need to dumbsplain this for me to get it.
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Then let me explain it with my own life's testimony.If you have read my testimony you will see I have through a lot in life that crippled me both physically and mentally. I cannot do things most people can I need help with everything I cannot even work a full time job because my body is no longer built for it and I have a hard time learning and doing even simple things. My brain damage makes things very hard for me to remember and to understand I am just not built to make it in this world as much as I try to and want to.

In the ways of the world I am weak in almost every way and am often times seen as stupid or foolish to others or just you know, slow. But the thing is even though this is a reality for me unlike the things and ways of the world the things and ways of God come easily and naturally for me. by the time I was only one year into faith I was already further along in love faith and insight than many who have been in faith for say 6 years and was often praised by others for it. Of course I never took the credit but when asked how I could be so strong in him at this age of faith this verse always popped into my mind and I responded well I think that because I was made weak in the ways of the world God made me strong in his.

I sometimes wonder if I was purposely made weak in the ways of the world so that I would be strong in his, if so then all my suffering makes perfect sense
 
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laura_charlotte said:

Regardless of whether they're anointed or not, formally or otherwise, some will disregard the message because they don't approve of the messenger. It may well be a perfectly valid message stated in honour but a person who is rife with the enemy's deception will shoot it down out of insecurity, possibly more so when it's come from the Lord.
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Well that is always a possibility but even so even if message was meant for only one person in a vast crowd of people that message is worth speaking. Often times I am lead to speak a vision or dream or spiritual experience I had and every time I always am afraid of making people upset because I speak of these things so much but even so I can feel the spirit saying to me that even if one heart is effected by it then it was worth speaking.

I don't know why others want to be strong in him or to preach and to teach but me personally I want to impact the hearts of others I want to be strong in him so that I can in turn help others to become strong in him and if I am ever lead to teach or to preach I want to make that spark in peoples hearts and to ignite the flame that was sizzled I want to bring people to a much closer intimacy and bond with God. The reason and motives in a persons heart will always be the deciding factor and that is a lesson that I ( teach) all the time
 
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Anyone who spends time with God/Holy spirit will know when someone has spoken truth because they have a way of communication.. His sheep, the ones who spend time, know His voice and a stranger they will not follow... I don't need anyone to show me anything, I have been sensitized to perceive or discern the difference between truth and lies.. Then following up on the subject to learn more is on me.
 
laura_charlotte

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Blain said:
Well that is always a possibility but even so even if message was meant for only one person in a vast crowd of people that message is worth speaking. Often times I am lead to speak a vision or dream or spiritual experience I had and every time I always am afraid of making people upset because I speak of these things so much but even so I can feel the spirit saying to me that even if one heart is effected by it then it was worth speaking.
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That just illustrates my point further. At no point should you let someone in the audience stop you from speaking up when it's God's will for you to do so. That was the basis of my entire post.
 
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That just illustrates my point further. At no point should you let someone in the audience stop you from speaking up when it's God's will for you to do so. That was the basis of my entire post.
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That reminds me of this one time about 7 months ago I was at my sisters house and I woke up sunday morning and there was a church nearby that I wanted to try and before I set off to it I told god what I always tell him, it doesn't matter what it is or how far we have to go whatever it is you need at any given point and time I am willing. I then walked up to this church and as I spoke with people there I learned that many there were not in a good place, many had lost loved ones recently or had loved ones who were very ill, I could almost see the inner wounds and cuts these people bore even as they put on a happy face to welcome me.

When it time for the preacher to preach his message about half way into his message something happened to me. Now I am timid and shy by nature I have never spoken in front of people for that very reason but as I sat there I felt this deep urge to get up there and speak to these people, I din't know what I was going to say I just knew I had to get up there and speak. The strange thing was I wasn't afraid to do so which is not normal for me I didn't even have any kind of doubt in me I only knew I just had to get up and speak. I was polite and waited for the preacher to finish and I asked him if I could say something to everyone really fast he looked at his watch and I could tell he really needed to leave but he said ok.

I stood in front of this entire church and the words just flowed I spoke the words placed on my heart and when I was finished something completely unexpected happened, the entire church stood up and started applauding some were in tears and others just couldn't stop beaming their smiles. in the end many hearts who were hurting and whop had inner cuts and bleedings were mended that day and I couldn't believe God did this just because I told him I was willing just seeing how he affected peoples hearts like that made me cry because that is all I have ever wanted to do as a believer.
 
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There is wisdom in understanding that the best teachers are also the best listeners, there is a difference in hearing a lesson and listening to it
 
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laura_charlotte said:

Regardless of whether they're anointed or not, formally or otherwise, some will disregard the message because they don't approve of the messenger. It may well be a perfectly valid message stated in honour but a person who is rife with the enemy's deception will shoot it down out of insecurity, possibly more so when it's come from the Lord.
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This is when leadership must rely on the Holy Spirit to discern truth....

We used to do an open mic night at a church....it was a service and we would let folks come up , who felt like they the Lord gave them something to say....we never pre-screened people or anything..if you have something come on up....

It was quite easy to discern who was being used by the Holy Spirit and who thought ministry was the microphone....

We never stopped people unless a blatant untruth was stated....they were removed in love of course...

It proved to be a great training tool...
 
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Bogadile said:
I would say that most of the time it would be the educated Ph.D people with smooth speech and educated fools you got to look out for.
Because of my poor/working class upbringing, I can admit I am somewhat biased. I just respect a janitor more than a Ph.D.
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Some truth is in this statement, but in my experience, the real deceivers are somewhere in the middle...I had to help a Pastor out of some serious discord and strife, the church was about to split or close up completely....after much prayer and fasting we were Spirit led to a woman who had been in that church her whole life, about 45 years....she was a volunteer did lots for the church, never taught , never fussed, never caused outward issues....but inside she was a can of poison....she hated this pastors wife for no other reason than just hate her....we attempted reconciliation and she said they go or I go and I have been here through 4 pastors and 45 years and give lots of money....

I told her one thing....Goodbye...


She left and a few left with her, but the church thrived for the first time in 45 years.....she had control and was using it....she was not highly educated nor a janitor.....she was in the middle...in plain sight
 
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Sadly, I failed to recognize one constant that occurs in almost any Bible College. And that is that you are, essentially, being inculcated more into a particular denomination's esoteric understandings and beliefs than you are being taught Christ's actual intent for mankind.

It is a shocking and rather rude realization of utter disappointment when you wake up from that dream you allowed yourself to be lulled into.
 
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I have had (because some have died) 16 teachers and/or professors in my family. And all of them agree on one thing. No one actually ever really "teaches" anyone, anything. You can only lead students to the threshold of their own understanding, and hope you have enabled them to cross over on their own.
 
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Willie-T said:
I have had (because some have died) 16 teachers and/or professors in my family. And all of them agree on one thing. No one actually ever really "teaches" anyone, anything. You can only lead students to the threshold of their own understanding, and hope you have enabled them to cross over on their own.
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this is touching on why i appreciate the 'Socratic method' so much: just asking questions, not necessarily giving answers, because the right questions lead to the things one wants to teach, and memorizing what someone has said or what is written in some book isn't "learning it" -- unless what you're learning is little more than a list of facts.
but arriving at conclusions through your own internal investigation and reasoning builds comprehension and internalizes it in a way that simply giving people answers usually doesn't.

this is an "indirect" way of teaching that relies on the 'student' to have understanding in themselves and to take initiative to seek out bigger meanings. by teaching in parables, Jesus is often doing a similar thing, so that those who see, see more, and those who don't see, see even less than what they saw before.
 
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Willie-T said:
Sadly, I failed to recognize one constant that occurs in almost any Bible College. And that is that you are, essentially, being inculcated more into a particular denomination's esoteric understandings and beliefs than you are being taught Christ's actual intent for mankind.

It is a shocking and rather rude realization of utter disappointment when you wake up from that dream you allowed yourself to be lulled into.
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agreed....I stopped teaching at one such Bible college because of this...
 
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resurrection33 said:
None of us is a teacher: But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 RSV
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This Scripture should not be misunderstood. What the Lord was saying is that clerical titles are forbidden. In today's parlance, it would mean than no Christian should take the title of Reverend, Right Reverend, Doctor, Rabbi, Monsigneur, Father, Holy Father, etc. We are simply to call them "Brother xyz"

At the same time we all have (1) one Teacher who is the Holy Spirit, and (2) spiritually gifted teachers within the assemblies to help Christians become mature in the faith (Ephesians 4:11,12).

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

The gifts of pastors (shepherds) and teachers are not identical. Many pastors are poor teachers and many teachers could not really function as pastors.

 
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laura_charlotte

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Nehemiah6 said:
The gifts of pastors (shepherds) and teachers are not identical. Many pastors are poor teachers and many teachers could not really function as pastors.
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This could not be more true. My calling was in early childhood and primary teaching. I had to go through 6 years of formal studies to qualify and be able to work in the field. However I know full well that my position of 'teacher' is in no way to be juxtaposed with my pastor, whose calling is teaching the Word. There's just no comparison. I love my pastor, he's provided me with so much guidance and peace over the years but that in no way is all to be put under the same umbrella as 'teacher'. The distinctions need to be illustrated.
 
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Susanna said:
Being intelligent is overrated. Look at me, I'm dumb as a box of rocks but I can still remember my password here.
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funny...I laugh at myself all the time. I wonder if the funny things we do and say are entertaining our angels?
 
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Meggido said:
First and foremost a good teacher is anointed by the Holy Spirit! The teacher should bring revelation knowledge to the surface, then stand back and let the student determine for themselves through the students own leading of the Holy Spirit.....

The problem is pride....
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Two questions:
1. Why?
2. How would you know if the preacher was or wasn't anointed?

Why, because I've seen quite a few topics on here over the years, that don't even need God one way or the other. An understanding of some biology, anthropology, eschatology, and religions helps, but God doesn't have to be in the mix.

And really? The concept that teaching only counts when there is an anointing -- something that few can discern to begin with?

It seems like pride all right, but not the way you're speaking of it. Seems more like "only some can get it, and I, of course, am one of the few."
 
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