A Request to the Teachers

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Yes I can agree with that indeed,

I'll be honest here, I have zero bible education, the only bible education I get is from one on one, and through other people He so chooses. :)
And I agree with this as well....
 
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Teaching is one of the gifts of the Spirit. I would much rather hear a teacher who is anointed by the Holy Spirit than someone who just earned a Bible degree.
come to think of it,where does it speak of "degrees" in the bible hmmmm nowhere!?
how'd people start needing degrees to teach through the holy spirit???
well,leave multiple individuals alone to their own devices and trust only in their own knowledge,and Bingo you get people with Egos and boastings,imagine that!
 
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actually even more hilarious is that many of the people God "Used" in the bible to spread his word and "Teach" it were not "brilliant" thinkers or even people that were incredibly knowledgeable,like Moses for example he wasn't the best public speaker or even very quick witted,yet Gasp,God made use of him and in time he "became" wise through not his own knowledge or any pieces of papers or credentials,he "became" wise by having "faith" in God,"obeying" God,and what do you know "learning" from God instead of learning a bunch of big fancy words from people that were "Wise" in their own "view",not to mention that God has no piece of paper saying that he is the wisest or some award proving that he is great,why??? because he has already done "Everything" for "US",but what do we often do in this world,"Think"way too much and try even to the very foolishness of pain or death to make a name for ourselves when,once again God never said to do so,yet what do you know the world confounds it self as usual.
 
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come to think of it,where does it speak of "degrees" in the bible hmmmm nowhere!?
how'd people start needing degrees to teach through the holy spirit???
well,leave multiple individuals alone to their own devices and trust only in their own knowledge,and Bingo you get people with Egos and boastings,imagine that!
I hear the heart of this and agree with it...I would also suggest is that a Pastor or teacher should be very well informed and educated on many things, even current events[not eschatology] and good world view....

Paul had this is in spades and was one of the reasons he was chosen to go the gentiles...He spoke before great men and his gifts made room for him...he was educated, intelligent, multi-lingual, scholar and tent-maker....

Paul was anointed, educated and had shrewd common sense and also knew his limitations and was not afraid to let people know about them....

This is why we loose men in the church today....the modern man that works his hands cannot relate to a PHD in a coat and tie, that cannot relate to the working man in jeans, callouses and boots....

I remember a friend was invited to take a medium sized church-150-250 in a rural town....he was anointed, educated and practical...before the church voted him in he was asked to go on a deer hunt one Saturday with the elders and certain male church lay leaders....he went and shot a deer......as they approached the deer, he began getting his field knife ready....they got to the deer and he began dressing and bleeding it out like a pro...he then realized the group of 6 men were standing around and watching him and he said...

hey, you guys gonna help or what we got 3 of these bad boys to dress out and butcher before sun down........the next morning he was voted in unanimously as the Pastor of that church and has been there for years and God is doing a marvelous work under him and the church is model of unity and like-minded believers...

After his first year and he was voted in again he asked his senior elder what would have happened if he did not start skinning the deer...The elder said, anyone can go on a hunt, many can pick up a rifle, few can shot, less than that can hit what their aiming at and only 1 or 2 can bleed and skin the deer....IOW said the elder, had you not skinned the deer you would not be our Pastor...now think about what that elder said and you will see how it fits what an anointed, educated and practical Pastor should be able to do....
 

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come to think of it,where does it speak of "degrees" in the bible hmmmm nowhere!?
Men made up the degrees thing, but Scripture is replete with exhortation to study, warnings against ignorance, and man being responsible for his knowledge, or lack thereof. 2 Timothy 2:15; "Do your best..." &c.

In fact, Nicodemus was rebuked for his lack of knowledge, being "the" teacher of Israel. It was a proper, fitting rebuke. Surely the Holy Spirit wanted him to engage in further study, and he was already well studied.

how'd people start needing degrees to teach through the holy spirit???
Since God ordered study. One reason Paul was so well used was because of his vast knowledge of Scripture.

The Holy Spirit inspired the writings exhorting us to grow in knowledge, to study &c. So, looks like He's into this thing pretty much. ;)

Then there is the flip side where people think ignorance is being spiritual.

well,leave multiple individuals alone to their own devices and trust only in their own knowledge,and Bingo you get people with Egos and boastings,imagine that!
That's a broad and a low swing. Do you have some specific examples of this happening that you can share with us as proof and evidence? Or, are you just swinging at everyone who has a degree, studies, is quite knowledgeable, knows the Biblical languages et al?

Also, aren't you the one who welcomes people here and that tells them we have smart Bible people here to help them? That's pretty ironic.

For the record I don't know of any theologians who fit into your derogatory statement, but I do know many people who love to demean those educated in Scripture, theologians and the like. Frankly, it's ugly, unbiblical, ignorant and divisive. It happens on this forum daily, and is used to be dismissive of other brothers and sisters who labor in doctrine and in the Word, and know what they're talking about. I highly respect them.

If we had more of them (those with degrees) and sound teaching, there would be less ignorance and less pride in ones ignorance. I don't see the LORD rebuking any person for deep study and learning via their "study of God" (aka theology). Thank God for them.

1 Timothy 5:17
 

Nehemiah6

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Teaching is one of the gifts of the Spirit. I would much rather hear a teacher who is anointed by the Holy Spirit than someone who just earned a Bible degree.
Exactly. The whole idea that academic qualifications are the criteria for pastors and teachers is a worldly one. It is God who raises up and anoints within the local church evangelists, pastors and teachers today, and it is the Holy spirit who teaches these men.

Why not apostles and prophets? Because we already have the written Word of God, with the apostles represented in the NT and the prophets represented in the OT. Those who claim to be apostles and prophets today are generally bogus.
 
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I hear the heart of this and agree with it...I would also suggest is that a Pastor or teacher should be very well informed and educated on many things, even current events[not eschatology] and good world view....

Paul had this is in spades and was one of the reasons he was chosen to go the gentiles...He spoke before great men and his gifts made room for him...he was educated, intelligent, multi-lingual, scholar and tent-maker....

Paul was anointed, educated and had shrewd common sense and also knew his limitations and was not afraid to let people know about them....

This is why we loose men in the church today....the modern man that works his hands cannot relate to a PHD in a coat and tie, that cannot relate to the working man in jeans, callouses and boots....

I remember a friend was invited to take a medium sized church-150-250 in a rural town....he was anointed, educated and practical...before the church voted him in he was asked to go on a deer hunt one Saturday with the elders and certain male church lay leaders....he went and shot a deer......as they approached the deer, he began getting his field knife ready....they got to the deer and he began dressing and bleeding it out like a pro...he then realized the group of 6 men were standing around and watching him and he said...

hey, you guys gonna help or what we got 3 of these bad boys to dress out and butcher before sun down........the next morning he was voted in unanimously as the Pastor of that church and has been there for years and God is doing a marvelous work under him and the church is model of unity and like-minded believers...

After his first year and he was voted in again he asked his senior elder what would have happened if he did not start skinning the deer...The elder said, anyone can go on a hunt, many can pick up a rifle, few can shot, less than that can hit what their aiming at and only 1 or 2 can bleed and skin the deer....IOW said the elder, had you not skinned the deer you would not be our Pastor...now think about what that elder said and you will see how it fits what an anointed, educated and practical Pastor should be able to do....
an interesting story and concept because what I can gather is the message amongst this is that just as with the deer,it shows alot when you "follow through" "unwavering" because as with the story anyone can go and do some of the "ordinary" things for God and be lazy,but one should be willing to do the "tough" things for God,same with the deer granted I probably wouldn't do it but I do understand that any killed creature must be "cleaned" in some form before you serve it as "food" because though it can't defile you it can make you "sick",it's just the same as being a "teacher" or "pastor" you must be sure of what you are giving unto whom you are teaching or preaching to as well as be able to stand firmly upon what you "teach" or "preach",because "teaching" and "preaching" are about "Truth" and "Devotion" to God,not how much you already know by way of school or others.
 

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Beware whom you believe.. religions are calling for unity.. but we know Light does not unite with darkness.

Do not reject someone that does not meet criteria according to man...

Those in high positions will most likely be corrupted.. not having the Truth within them but appearing godly.. ever learning but never able to come to the Truth.

Wolves in sheeps clothing....

Anyhow, peace, love and Truth to you all by the Grace of GOD and our Messiah.
 
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Just a quick read through the first page of this forum, and there is no doubt many consider themselves teachers. Well, okay, you consider yourself a teacher. You may even be a teacher, but I have a request:

In my denomination, we know the teachers because they have to past a bunch of tests before the presbytery (session of churches) before they are approved as teachers. Most of the churches I've gone to, at the very least, I understood the background of the people preaching that week. (And, honestly? It wasn't always a background in seminary either, but at least I knew.) Can you at least give your expertise on the subject you're teaching before jumping into it? Because, if I don't know it, I'm not going to listen.

I've had enough people try and teach me stuff only to find out quickly they didn't have a clue on the subject, so I really don't waste time until I understand the teacher has a clue.

Do with this what you like. It's just a request.
None of us is a teacher:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 RSV
 
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This is exactly what's screwed up with this world, people running around not listening to no one about God unless it comes from someone with a PH.D. In bible study, a person who has been preaching for 50 years. Etc. it saddens me people cannot understand God can bring a message to the wise from someone who is not wise of things, yes it is true God uses the weak to lead the strong.
I would say that most of the time it would be the educated Ph.D people with smooth speech and educated fools you got to look out for.
Because of my poor/working class upbringing, I can admit I am somewhat biased. I just respect a janitor more than a Ph.D.
 
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I would be more receptive to the "teachers" on this site if they were to state their qualifications to teach. I'm not qualified to teach anything and I am a mere few months away from having a PhD, so any "teacher" here at CC better have some hefty qualifications to be taken seriously.

I'm snobby like that.
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perhaps you should look into becoming 'un-snobby'...
 
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if people can't discern and believe what The Holy Spirit has taught them to share,
then that is on them...

everyone that seeks to learn The Truth, will always be a teacher/sharer/learner of what
the Holy Spirit hast taught them...???
 
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Blain

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If any do consider themselves teachers they should take into consideration that if they think themselves teachers then they more so than anyone will be held accountable for their words. The bible discussion forum is well known for unkind un Christ like behavior and a teacher in Christ more so than anyone needs to shine his light and love in the field of blood known as the bdf. Anyone can teach but that doesn't make you a teacher, a teacher is a role model to the students and helps guide and instruct in the correct manner and in this case that would be showing the spirit and heart of God and being light in the midst of the darkness.

Many who claim to be teachers show anything but this, they so easily fall into the fires of heated debates and mock attack and accuse those who they are debating, if there are any true teachers here then they will be the ones who resemble God's heart in their day to day activities here, they will be the ones who can actually discuss and debate in a calm and Christ like manner, they will be the ones who aren't just googling things and pretending they understand what their speaking and they will be the ones who don't just post scripture willy nilly thinking that validates what they say to be true.

I hope one day I can be mature enough to be a teacher but for now I will that role to ones who are actually fit to do so but honestly there are many here who think they are fit and yet aren't and there are many here who think they aren't fit and yet they are they just don't see it yet
 
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He is pretending to be '25'...two smiles...
 

Blain

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I would say that most of the time it would be the educated Ph.D people with smooth speech and educated fools you got to look out for.
Because of my poor/working class upbringing, I can admit I am somewhat biased. I just respect a janitor more than a Ph.D.
Well I think such people can indeed be wise and good teachers however you also have to consider that just because you are educated and have a Ph.D doesn't mean you are more qualified than one without. I barely graduated from high school and that was in special education as well and there was a man on here who has a p.hd and also graduated from some kind of bible college and he was very much into works for salvation and I was trying to show him that you cannot rely on works and his response was that I was only four years into Christ and he has been saved for 3o something years as well as having a P.h.d and graduating from a bible college and so my opinion was moot.

My response to him was that just because he is far more ahead of me in years of salvation doesn't mean he is above correction even from a babe like me and that true he may have a very good education but since when does a non education limit God?
 

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My thought is that sharing together is more appropriate for forums not so much being "the teacher".
 
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But if we do we are immediately accused of showing how clever we are and boasting about our qualifications :)

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So? I already heard from that faction. What is really being said is "I just know, so trust me."

And what I'm thinking, (loudly), is "You just proved another reason not to trust you."

Sort of like an author bio, something as simple as "I lived in a big fish belly for 10 years, so studied Jonah" works for me. (Well, it would work, if I believed it, but I was going for corny. lol)
 

Blain

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My thought is that sharing together is more appropriate for forums not so much being "the teacher".
I think that teaching can be done in different ways, For instance I have without meaning to taught people things on here simply by speaking the words placed on my heart and some have said I have the gift of teaching but if people were indeed taught by the words I spoke it wasn't me was that was the teacher in that instant it was the holy spirit.

There is but one true teacher and often times his work is done by us sharing with each other, but people do this differently a lot of people speak and teach on here with what they already know and believe but people like me don't really do that we just speak what is placed on our hearts. I am not intelligent and I don't consider myself educated enough to teach but i think that is the entire point isn't it? God can speak through a person who thinks himself to know nothing much easier than someone who thinks they know a lot
 

joaniemarie

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Well I think such people can indeed be wise and good teachers however you also have to consider that just because you are educated and have a Ph.D doesn't mean you are more qualified than one without. I barely graduated from high school and that was in special education as well and there was a man on here who has a p.hd and also graduated from some kind of bible college and he was very much into works for salvation and I was trying to show him that you cannot rely on works and his response was that I was only four years into Christ and he has been saved for 3o something years as well as having a P.h.d and graduating from a bible college and so my opinion was moot.

My response to him was that just because he is far more ahead of me in years of salvation doesn't mean he is above correction even from a babe like me and that true he may have a very good education but since when does a non education limit God?

True Blain., and the Bible also instructs the older not to "despise the youth" of the younger. What you described happens all the time here on CC. We can agree with some people here who know some things but that doesnt mean they know ALL things.


Another reason why it's so important for us NOT to go around condemning others for believing the Bible not exactly the same as we do. Doesn't mean our brothers and sisters who disagree with us are "heretics"
 
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I agree brother. Who is the scribe? Where is the wise? 1 Cor.1:11
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this [SUP][a][/SUP]world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?


Not to say I don't think education is good. But people in the world and even the church (imo) esteem it much to highly when it comes to the things of God and the Bible. We have the Holy Spirit and we also need to listen to good Holy Spirit lead teachers and preachers and pastors and friends. Not all will be "educated" especially in this forum on CC. I've found the ones who brag about their "education" are usually meaner than a snake getting poked at if you dare disagree with them about doctrine.

So while I do believe there is a place for educated leaders., they are of no real help unless they be lead by the Holy Spirit.
And many so called "un educated" Christians are more helpful and solid in a lot of cases than those who have a PHD in Bible Theology. P.S. especially here on CC

Of course! Works well for people who don't study before preaching, so agreement is a given.

Had either of you bothered to read for comprehension, (instead of the usual "I will give you what I think before even thinking" retorts), you would have noticed it wasn't "education" in the traditional sense.

I find people who want to bamboozle people dislike that someone might actually be knowledgeable in the thing they're trying to bamboozle about. "An uneducated consumer is our best customer" thought to it.

I find it disturbing how many people like to teach without liking anyone to understand the subject matter, including themselves. Paul does not want people to be ignorant, and yet ignorance is quite often the keystone to teaching on here.