A study on the ten commandments

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Jesus said if we love Him we should keep His commandments. If we keep His commandments without His love that is the letter of the law But, if we keep His law by His love and faith that is what the Bibke says.
Do you believe Paul lied or told the truth in Gal6:2?
 

James47

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Paul never lied as we know more we have a lack of understanding i think, i think knowing in what order he wrote his writting might help us see or read it better, after all even 20 years or more after christ paul never denied his jewish upbringing or who he was, even to the point of still going to the temple.
 
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Jesus commands can becsummed up as love God and love your neighbour. Paul knew that, hence Gal 6:2
 
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Laodicea

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Do you believe Paul lied or told the truth in Gal6:2?
The real issue you people have is with the Sabbath of the Lord. I can mention any of the other nine commandments and you will agree But, as soon as the Sabbath of the Lord is mentioned you people start to argue and debate.

The fact that you people argue so much against the Sabbath of the Lord shows the conviction of the Holy Spirit on you people.
 
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Paul never lied as we know more we have a lack of understanding i think, i think knowing in what order he wrote his writting might help us see or read it better, after all even 20 years or more after christ paul never denied his jewish upbringing or who he was, even to the point of still going to the temple.
To the hews I become like a Jew to win the Jews. To those under the law I become like ons under the law( though I myself am not under the law) so as to win those under the law.
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law(though I am not free from Gods law but am under Christs law gal6:2) so as to win those not having the law
To the weak I became weak to win the weak.
I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some
1cor9:20-22
 
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Laodicea

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Jesus commands can becsummed up as love God and love your neighbour. Paul knew that, hence Gal 6:2
That is true I agree with that. Notice also the commandments of God were on two tables of stone.


*Exodus 31:18 KJV*
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Why two tables why not one? Because the commandments can be divided into commandments for God the first four and the next six is to our fellow man.
 
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The real issue you people have is with the Sabbath of the Lord. I can mention any of the other nine commandments and you will agree But, as soon as the Sabbath of the Lord is mentioned you people start to argue and debate.

The fact that you people argue so much against the Sabbath of the Lord shows the conviction of the Holy Spirit on you people.
As you written what you have.

I have been to two churches on a Saturday. In one of them a woman enthusiastically shouted amen if the minister said something she approved of. She avoided unclean foods, alcohol and tithed get money. She also had multiple affairs. Three people I knew in Tha church took the lords name in vain, laughing as they did so. A woman who led the service often before the minister spoke was sleeping with her boyfriend. They all insisted the ten commandments must be followed
In a second church I went to on a Saturday a woman in the choir was having multiple affairs while insisting the ten commandments were followed
I have never seen such flagrant sin in my life in any other church I have been to

The literal letter does not convict of sin to anywhere near the degree the holy spirit does
 
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The real issue you people have is with the Sabbath of the Lord. I can mention any of the other nine commandments and you will agree But, as soon as the Sabbath of the Lord is mentioned you people start to argue and debate.

The fact that you people argue so much against the Sabbath of the Lord shows the conviction of the Holy Spirit on you people.
No, it shows we don't put up with liars.
 
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That is true I agree with that. Notice also the commandments of God were on two tables of stone.


*Exodus 31:18 KJV*
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Why two tables why not one? Because the commandments can be divided into commandments for God the first four and the next six is to our fellow man.
The christian I not to follow the written code according to the bible but the holy spirit
 

Ahwatukee

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How many times should I tell you this. If you could perfectly obey all of the ten commandments you could still be condemn to hell on judgement day
Why do you refuse to listen to this, it certainly s the truth
Not only that, but by attempting to keep the ten commandments or any of the law, it is trying to obtain salvation by one's own efforts, instead of trusting in Christ who met the righteous requirements of the law perfectly on our behalf. We are under a new covenant in the shed blood of Christ, not the following of the written code. We obey all of those things through the obedience that comes through faith in Christ and not by placing ourselves under the law that, though it being righteous and holy, it became to us a curse because we couldn't keep it, which Christ rescued us from, by fulfilling it on our behalf and bringing it to its fulfillment.

Our focus should not be on the law or on our own efforts as a means for salvation, but on Christ and what he accomplished for all believers on the cross. The provision for salvation is a done deal, for Christ alone purchased mankind for God. The believers' part is having faith in the One who provided it, instead of trying to earn it.
 

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The christian I not to follow the written code according to the bible but the holy spirit
The bible is from the holy spirit it is the word of God that isn't just a nickname for the bible it means it is the literal word of God himself. It is impossible to hold the holy spirit above the bible because they are one and the same and he will lead you to the bible. I am a witness to the power and the love of God that flows through those pages so I can tell you that the holy spirit is very much alive and active within that book
 
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Christ destroyed satan's power to accuse GOD's people.

Now the sting of death [is] sin, and the power of sin [is] the law. 1 Corinthians 15:56

Wherefore, my brethren, you have become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Romans 7:4

And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, ​“Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, because the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night [of not keeping the law]. Revelation 12:10
 
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The real issue you people have is with the Sabbath of the Lord. I can mention any of the other nine commandments and you will agree But, as soon as the Sabbath of the Lord is mentioned you people start to argue and debate.

The fact that you people argue so much against the Sabbath of the Lord shows the conviction of the Holy Spirit on you people.
Can you say "you people" one more time :)
 
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And no wonder, for Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore [it is] not a great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
 

JesusLives

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so could even little things like TV shows be idols?

You bet cha......if you are putting it above God....anything can be an idol if you are placing more importance on it than God.
 

JFSurvivor

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All the commandments are good principles for us to live by so that would be a Christians's WALK. The Lord is our Sabbath (what about the verses in Hebrews?) - in him we find our rest although I do believe that it does a body good to rest - just common sense. Coveting is wanting what belongs to someone else - why should we talk about it? NONE of this has anything to do with our salvation (So can you be a Christian and not keep the ten commandments?). . . but has to do with our walk after we are born again. NONE of these things make you a child of God . . .

As in response to #1 - all the commandments are good principles for us to live by . . . .

Well, I don't know why in Revelation it speaks of the ark of the covenant - I haven't ever really seen an ark of the covenant and do not believe that it is relative to the body of Christ. . . (Why?)
4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?
The ten commandments as well as the other 603 laws in Leviticus were written to show the children of Israel how to live before God. As I said they are very good principles for a Christians WALK but obeying them does not earn us righteousness. (You seem very hung up on this idea that I think the ten commandments earn salvation. I do not think that.)

An idol is anything one puts before God. A "lucky rabbit's foot" can be an idol if one looks to it or trust it to bring about good instead of going to God.
6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)
The last I looked the second commandment was - "You shall love your neighbor as yourself"

Wanting what someone else has - we avoid it by not wanting what others have - we learn to be content in whatever state we are in - . . .

No one before us (except the perfect Son of God) was able to keep the ten commandments nor the rest of the law for salvation - Jesus Christ came to redeem us from the curse of the law and make salvation possible through faith in him. The ten commandments were given to Moses along with the other 603 laws - God gave them to Moses to give to the children of Israel as rules to live by and in the OT that is how they were to achieve righteousness by obedience to the law - ALL THE LAW. Deut. 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. The ten commandments are considered the Mosaic law because they were given to Moses to give to the children of Israel.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matt. 22:36-40

ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS HANG ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS . . . . hang - kremannymi -

  1. to hang up, suspend
  2. to be suspended, to hang
    1. used of one hanging on a cross
    2. used of the Law and the Prophets, they are summed up or hanging on two precepts
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JFSurvivor

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1) Yes the moral/Spiritual aspects of the 10 Commandments still apply, the Sabbath is no longer observed as a day.

Our Sabbath rest is in Jesus. (Where does it say this?)

Coveting should be discussed, and Paul even held in teachings not to cover. (You mean covet?)

2)Yes by walking in LOVE

3) The 10 Commandments are both contained as God's moral laws and also as ordinances.

Only the written ordinances was done away with, not the moral. The rest was all ordinances. (So you are saying that We should only follow some of the ten commands?)

4) They are God's moral law which is why they were set apart. (So then why would we not keep all of it? Is all of it Gods moral law or just some of it?)

5) An idol is anything you place before God as more important to you.

6) Yes the 2nd command does apply. Paul speaks against idol worship in 1Corinthians

7) To covet means to want what somebody else has.

Learn by the Holy Spirit to be content with what we have.

8) Born again with the Holy Spirit no they are not hard to keep.

The impossible approach is something we can't do by ourselves, and applys to the whole written ordinances of the Mosaic law.

It does not apply to the moral, and no the moral and written are not the same.
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JesusLives

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But does it mean like don't bow down in the literal sense or what? Do people still literally bow down to objects today?
I am sure some do as they have been taught to pay homage to statues and such, but we are really only suppose to worship
our Creator God.

I know tourist and I mistakenly went to a Hindu Temple thinking it was another church, but I said we are on a mission from God evidently He wanted us here today. We went in and there were lots of statues representing their deity's. We asked what we were suppose to do and the older gentleman in there said to go bow and pray. Well we did but we were praying to our God and not the statues in front of us and before we left I felt impressed to give a donation to his temple and passed on booklets about salvation and Jesus second coming....as we left I saw the older gentleman reading what I had given him. We won't know until the kingdom if we see him there... but it was such a neat experience and a chance to share the gospel. That is what Jesus asks us to do.
 
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KennethC

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Hebrews chapters 2-4 speaks on this of our rest is in Him.

I never said only some of the 10 are kept, but Jesus and the NT scriptures show that how they are observed is different then in the written ordinance form of the OT.


No not all of the Mosaic law was considered the moral law.

In order to understand the law we need to do study in Jewish history.

The law was separated by moral, dietary, temple, and such. Only the 10 were considered the moral.