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Adv. 1. specially - in a special manner; "a specially arranged dinner"
especially
2. specially - to a distinctly greater extent or degree than is common; "he was particularly fussy about spelling"; "a particularly gruesome attack"; "under peculiarly tragic circumstances"; "an especially (or specially) cautious approach to the danger"
especially, particularly, peculiarly
Jude 1:1-3
1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Please harden not your heart.
C
Again, not to argue, but if He is particularlly the Savior of those who believe, then would it not also mean that He is not particularlly the Savior of all?
Agreed that it is a common salvation offered to all, but if you will, is not that which is common defined as "that which is shared by all"? If one does not partake of it, is it then not common for him? So the common salvation is shared by those who are preserved in Jesus Christ. It is common practice to study before a test, but not all do. What is the effect of not partaking in this common practice if not a failure in doing well.
Agreed that it is a common salvation offered to all, but if you will, is not that which is common defined as "that which is shared by all"? If one does not partake of it, is it then not common for him? So the common salvation is shared by those who are preserved in Jesus Christ. It is common practice to study before a test, but not all do. What is the effect of not partaking in this common practice if not a failure in doing well.
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You're confusing yourself with words like "offered". To study for a test is a common PRACTICE, but it is to the individual to indeed put it into practice! A person cannot "choose" salvation as he is a slave to one way or the other.
None of us asked to be here. I can barely pay my rent, living day to day as most here on this site can relate to. If I had a choice, would I choose to go through this?
Salvation isn't "offered" to all byJesus, it is guaranteed and sealed by His death and resurrection to all. That is the common part. But to contend for the faith that Jesus stood for is to be distinct from that which is common, and that is what we strive for. There will be those who rule as He does.
T
This man obviously has no understanding at all of the Bible or of salvation. I don't think it is wise to even answer him anymore. I know I won't.
There are times when we must not cast our pearls before swine, and I think this is one of those times. He just makes a mockery out of any scripture you show him. Just leave off answering anything he posts and let him just read what others are writing. Maybe he will be reached that way.
In any case, we should keep him in our prayers that he might be saved.
Tom
There are times when we must not cast our pearls before swine, and I think this is one of those times. He just makes a mockery out of any scripture you show him. Just leave off answering anything he posts and let him just read what others are writing. Maybe he will be reached that way.
In any case, we should keep him in our prayers that he might be saved.
Tom
C
"You're confusing yourself with words like "offered"" ......Do enlighten me as to what this mysterious word "offered" means. All this time I thought it biblically meant "to give a choice to". You know, " I set before you this day a blessing and a curse" - Deut 11:26-28
"Salvation isn't "offered" to all byJesus, it is guaranteed and sealed by His death and resurrection to all" ....So, perhaps you will be the one who will answer this question, "Why then does it say that we have to believe in Jesus in order to receive the salvation He offers in His Gospel"? If one knows he is going to be saved in Hades, why even bother to accept Jesus as Lord, why not just enjoy life now and face the minute punishment and then all will be well? If you will honestly answers these questions, I doubt Universal Salvation would ever hold weight with you again.
"Salvation isn't "offered" to all byJesus, it is guaranteed and sealed by His death and resurrection to all" ....So, perhaps you will be the one who will answer this question, "Why then does it say that we have to believe in Jesus in order to receive the salvation He offers in His Gospel"? If one knows he is going to be saved in Hades, why even bother to accept Jesus as Lord, why not just enjoy life now and face the minute punishment and then all will be well? If you will honestly answers these questions, I doubt Universal Salvation would ever hold weight with you again.
You've been told that all will be saved and you don't believe it, what makes you think the one your speaking about would believe it?
Only those whom God chooses to reveal this to, will know and believe.
You can tell someone they will burn forever and ever if they don't repent and accept Jesus, has that changed anyone by telling them that? No, ONLY those whom God chooses will hear, and believe.
Don't you think we know this, yet we still suffer persecution, ridicule and rejection and this from the hands of our Brothers and Sisters, For the Truth's sake. And we will continue to shout this message from the rooftops not because we chose to but because God has called us to do so.
People need to know God Loves them, and has made a way for them, here and now.
For it is the Goodness of God that leads to repentance.
T
An antichrist correcting an antichrist. Don't listen to either one, my friends. Neither one believes that Jesus is God and will only lead you to destruction.
There are many deceptive, godless people on here, who must be called out for what they are. We must proclaim salvation through our God Jesus Christ. Anyone who denies this is of the antichrist.
Flee from them like the plague.
Tom
There are many deceptive, godless people on here, who must be called out for what they are. We must proclaim salvation through our God Jesus Christ. Anyone who denies this is of the antichrist.
Flee from them like the plague.
Tom
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Posted by shoom2
Re: Who believes that all who die saved go to heaven at death?
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Originally Posted by Tombo
So you're saying He did not exist before being born of Mary???
Tom
That is correct.
John 17:5 "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
A clear verse to show that this man lies against the truth and must be avoided.
Be careful with the deceivers, brothers and sisters.
Tom
Re: Who believes that all who die saved go to heaven at death?
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Originally Posted by Tombo
So you're saying He did not exist before being born of Mary???
Tom
That is correct.
John 17:5 "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
A clear verse to show that this man lies against the truth and must be avoided.
Be careful with the deceivers, brothers and sisters.
Tom
Posted by shoom2
Re: Who believes that all who die saved go to heaven at death?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombo
So you're saying He did not exist before being born of Mary???
Tom
That is correct.
John 17:5 "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
A clear verse to show that this man lies against the truth and must be avoided.
Be careful with the deceivers, brothers and sisters.
Tom
Re: Who believes that all who die saved go to heaven at death?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombo
So you're saying He did not exist before being born of Mary???
Tom
That is correct.
John 17:5 "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
A clear verse to show that this man lies against the truth and must be avoided.
Be careful with the deceivers, brothers and sisters.
Tom
I wish you could see the truth.
I'm willing to discuss it with you if you're willing.
Somehow I don't think you are. You'd rather call me an antichrist.
Jn 8:51-59
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I don't know about some of you but I see this pretty clearly as only one thing and it's the answer of (v.56-58). If some will also take notice of the remarks made at the beginning of this passage concerning death. Any man that reads this passage and does not understand what the Lord has said is living with a heart that is filled with unbelief as to who the Lord is.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
I don't know about some of you but I see this pretty clearly as only one thing and it's the answer of (v.56-58). If some will also take notice of the remarks made at the beginning of this passage concerning death. Any man that reads this passage and does not understand what the Lord has said is living with a heart that is filled with unbelief as to who the Lord is.
C
2knowhim,
Of course I will not accept that lie. And you are most correct in saying, "what makes you think the one your speaking about would believe it?" It is not my intent to convince him or any other person who belive a lie, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. Know this for certain, the young in Christ are easly lead astray when the Truth, the Words of the Bible, are not presented and only a lie so craftily twisted is presented. It is to that cause that I respond.
If you have read any of my posts, I never once said that people will be tormented with literal fire. Oh by no means is that the case, but into the ages of the ages, they have nothing to look forward to but the fiery indignation of God's wrath which reaches even to the stones of the dungeon. This wrath is the fire which will never go out. To God's glory, if one desires to be without God, then so be it that God will have it so. And when they look up to God for deliverance from the torure of only having wrath in response to their pleds, that will be their everlasting damnation of fire. Do you not believe all of this? Then go and humble yourself before the God who knows the ending from the beginning, and see to it that your heart becomes humble.
Of the Truth is this, you are preaching that which will cause others also to be condemned. When I was younger, the "fab" thing of hell was that it is not a bad place, you will be able to do whatever you want. Party, orgys, drugs, whatever the heart pleases. I do not say you are preaching this, but I do say you are not preaching the Truth but have brought down my Savior from the cross. Are you able to stand before God's fiery wrath and say, "but, I thought..."? But nay, they who go to Hell will have an EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
God is merciful, pled to Him for His Truth,
Clyde Fultz III
Of course I will not accept that lie. And you are most correct in saying, "what makes you think the one your speaking about would believe it?" It is not my intent to convince him or any other person who belive a lie, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. Know this for certain, the young in Christ are easly lead astray when the Truth, the Words of the Bible, are not presented and only a lie so craftily twisted is presented. It is to that cause that I respond.
If you have read any of my posts, I never once said that people will be tormented with literal fire. Oh by no means is that the case, but into the ages of the ages, they have nothing to look forward to but the fiery indignation of God's wrath which reaches even to the stones of the dungeon. This wrath is the fire which will never go out. To God's glory, if one desires to be without God, then so be it that God will have it so. And when they look up to God for deliverance from the torure of only having wrath in response to their pleds, that will be their everlasting damnation of fire. Do you not believe all of this? Then go and humble yourself before the God who knows the ending from the beginning, and see to it that your heart becomes humble.
Of the Truth is this, you are preaching that which will cause others also to be condemned. When I was younger, the "fab" thing of hell was that it is not a bad place, you will be able to do whatever you want. Party, orgys, drugs, whatever the heart pleases. I do not say you are preaching this, but I do say you are not preaching the Truth but have brought down my Savior from the cross. Are you able to stand before God's fiery wrath and say, "but, I thought..."? But nay, they who go to Hell will have an EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
God is merciful, pled to Him for His Truth,
Clyde Fultz III
That is about the most twisted thing I have heard for a while, this is the way you view our Loving Father?
Let me tell you a little secret, If God did not intervene in our Lives we would All be lost.
Did He ask you if you wanted Him, or was it Fear and dread that brought you to Him?
Evidently it must be one or the other because you don't sound like you have ever experienced the Love of God, and The Mercy of God. Have you ever been involved in those things you listed? Have you ever experienced His Saving Deliverance and Compassion?
I don't think so, or you could not possibly think that He would be that Uncaring, Unmerciful, to the cries of the lost. What are you thinking?
God is Love first and for most, Secondly He is Life, and everything He does is out of this Nature.
And I got some more Good News for you too, My Savoir Has been off that Cross for a long time now, I see Him as The Risen Lord of Glory, The ONE who Said "IT IS FINISHED".
Who Rules and Reigns, Who's eyes are like a flame of Fire, Who is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Everlasting Destruction from His Presence, YOU BET YA, Because what is not of Him will be DESTROYED
Never to be remembered anymore. But, THE MAN SHALL BE SAVED, AS THOUGH THROUGH FIRE.
Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
C
He loved me so much and did not want me to be forever from His presence that He thought of me and send His only begotten Son. You know why He sent His Son, so that I, and whosoever, could place my faith in Him and not in the Law for salvation from that damnation. And because I do place my faith in him, and only becauise I do, I willreceive everlasting life and will not perish. Look at what He has done for me and all those who believe in Him. This was the greatest act of love that anyone could had performed, because under the Law I was damned to spirutual death. He gave me, one of the whosoever, a choice between the Law or His Grace.
This is my definition of God's love.
This is my definition of God's love.