A study on the Trinity

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Tombo

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2knowhim said:
This was absolutely uncalled for tonight.
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You have repeatedly maintained that no one that has ever lived since the foundation of the world will ever be judged by God and destroyed. I even asked you about unrepentant Hitler and you replied "how do you know he didn't repent." I think that speaks volumes as to your heresy. You give unsaved people the false hope that they will eventually be saved whether their trust is in th the Lord Jesus or not. You deny the whole purpose of sharing the Gospel. The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is to be shared with all, warning them to flee form the wrath to come and to flee to Christ. If everyuone will be saved no matter what, why share the Gospel with anyone??? You also deny the divinty of Christ. You believe, as some others here, that Jesus is only a created being and not God. Only God can forgive sins, so you are not trusting in the Jesus of the Bible, but the Jesus of your own making.
I am not so much honing in on you about these things, but your teachings encompass all heresies, unlike others here.
I know it hurts to hear me say these things, and I don't like to hurt people's feelings, but I must speak out when others may be led astray by these things. Even the apostle Paul (and I am in no way comparing myself to that great man of God) withstood Peter to His face for not walking according to the truth. Should not believers in the truth do the same. The problem is, everyone today says love, love, to the exclusion of standing for ther truth. I believe by warning you severly like this, I am loving you.
I have a love for all mankind and don't want to see any be lost through false teaching.
I hope you see why I feel so compelled to speak the way I do. It is not for your hurt, but for your good, and the good of others listening to what we say.
God bless.

Tom
 
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cfultz3

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Lord Almighty,

May your Words spoken in Truth be heard by those whose heart is hardened by a spirit of deceit. You are not the father of lies that you compel others to believe that which is false. Neither do you take pleasure in those who speak lies. May you turn blackened hearts around to the Light.

Amen and do come.
 
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2knowhim

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Tombo said:
You have repeatedly maintained that no one that has ever lived since the foundation of the world will ever be judged by God and destroyed. I even asked you about unrepentant Hitler and you replied "how do you know he didn't repent." I think that speaks volumes as to your heresy. You give unsaved people the false hope that they will eventually be saved whether their trust is in th the Lord Jesus or not. You deny the whole purpose of sharing the Gospel. The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is to be shared with all, warning them to flee form the wrath to come and to flee to Christ. If everyuone will be saved no matter what, why share the Gospel with anyone??? You also deny the divinty of Christ. You believe, as some others here, that Jesus is only a created being and not God. Only God can forgive sins, so you are not trusting in the Jesus of the Bible, but the Jesus of your own making.
I am not so much honing in on you about these things, but your teachings encompass all heresies, unlike others here.
I know it hurts to hear me say these things, and I don't like to hurt people's feelings, but I must speak out when others may be led astray by these things. Even the apostle Paul (and I am in no way comparing myself to that great man of God) withstood Peter to His face for not walking according to the truth. Should not believers in the truth do the same. The problem is, everyone today says love, love, to the exclusion of standing for ther truth. I believe by warning you severly like this, I am loving you.
I have a love for all mankind and don't want to see any be lost through false teaching.
I hope you see why I feel so compelled to speak the way I do. It is not for your hurt, but for your good, and the good of others listening to what we say.
God bless.

Tom
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After all of this, I tell you right now, you have no idea what I believe or why I believe it.
Because everything you've said here shows me just that.

You have taken things I have said and twisted them in your mind so bad, that it's no wonder you hate me like you do. You must view me as your enemy, and I'm not.

Do you really think that anything you say to me, is going to change what I believe? Man did not teach me like he did you. I have spent day and night in the Word, and Prayer for at least 10 solid yrs.
sitting at His feet and learning from Him, not man.

Man didn't give this to me, so man can not take it away.
 
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Tombo

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2knowhim said:
After all of this, I tell you right now, you have no idea what I believe or why I believe it.
Because everything you've said here shows me just that.

You have taken things I have said and twisted them in your mind so bad, that it's no wonder you hate me like you do. You must view me as your enemy, and I'm not.

Do you really think that anything you say to me, is going to change what I believe? Man did not teach me like he did you. I have spent day and night in the Word, and Prayer for at least 10 solid yrs.
sitting at His feet and learning from Him, not man.

Man didn't give this to me, so man can not take it away.
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It is satanic teaching, not from God. All will not be saved. Jesus is the only way to be saved. Destruction means destruction, not some purification that will lead to all peole being saved. That comes right form the devil to lull people into a false sense of security.
As I have already said, I don't hate you. I want you to know the truth.
God bless.

Tom
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
It is satanic teaching, not from God. All will not be saved. Jesus is the only way to be saved. Destruction means destruction, not some purification that will lead to all peole being saved. That comes right form the devil to lull people into a false sense of security.
As I have already said, I don't hate you. I want you to know the truth.
God bless.

Tom
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Psalms 39:5

5Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every Tom at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
Psalms 39:5

5Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every Tom at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
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Ok, thanks for sharing that:rolleyes:.

Tom
 
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Tombo

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And BTW, this guy who calls himself Israel is proof positive of the evil teaching of universal salvation. He doesn't even consider himself a Christian, yet he fully expects to go into God's heaven at death. This is exactly the kind of false assurance this teaching fosters.


Tom
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
Ok, thanks for sharing that:rolleyes:.

Tom
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Poor, poor Tom who has bewitched you?

Is God almighty? YES

Is it God's will that ALL be saved (I hope I don't have to quote verses for this)? YES

Out of your own mouth you stated that God can do what He wants with us. Why contradict your own belief for the truth?
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
Poor, poor Tom who has bewitched you?

Is God almighty? YES

Is it God's will that ALL be saved (I hope I don't have to quote verses for this)? YES

Out of your own mouth you stated that God can do what He wants with us. Why contradict your own belief for the truth?
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Yes, God will save His own. And it is my prayer that He will save you. What is impossible with man, is possible with God.

Tom
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
And BTW, this guy who calls himself Israel is proof positive of the evil teaching of universal salvation. He doesn't even consider himself a Christian, yet he fully expects to go into God's heaven at death. This is exactly the kind of false assurance this teaching fosters.


Tom
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I try not to boast, but if I do, I will boast in the Lord! And I say again that while you tremble at the mount, not knowing and having no understanding of the things you claim to see, blindly leading the blind in the darkness of your own confusion; I GO BOLDLY AND WITH JOY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE!
 
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shroom2

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Israel said:
I try not to boast, but if I do, I will boast in the Lord! And I say again that while you tremble at the mount, not knowing and having no understanding of the things you claim to see, blindly leading the blind in the darkness of your own confusion; I GO BOLDLY AND WITH JOY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE!
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Not without Jesus Christ, you don't.
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
I try not to boast, but if I do, I will boast in the Lord! And I say again that while you tremble at the mount, not knowing and having no understanding of the things you claim to see, blindly leading the blind in the darkness of your own confusion; I GO BOLDLY AND WITH JOY TO THE THRONE OF GRACE!
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That sounds ridiculous coming from a non-Christian. By your own admission you said you aren't a Chrstian, so why talk about going boldly to the throne of grace??? The throne of grace is for Christians covered by the blood of Christ and forgiven of their sins, not for non-Christians.
I think you are a very confused, spiritually.

Tom
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
Yes, God will save His own. And it is my prayer that He will save you. What is impossible with man, is possible with God.

Tom
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Romans 11:32

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

How does this one little verse fit in with your beliefs Tom?
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
That sounds ridiculous coming from a non-Christian. By your own admission you said you aren't a Chrstian, so why talk about going boldly to the throne of grace??? The throne of grace is for Christians covered by the blood of Christ and forgiven of their sins, not for non-Christians.
I think you are a very confused, spiritually.

Tom
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I don't know why, you christians aren't even of one mind and judgement! How could you when most of you follow your own christ. Was Abraham a christian? How about David or Jeremiah? Was Jesus a christian Tom???
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
I don't know why, you christians aren't even of one mind and judgement! How could you when most of you follow your own christ. Was Abraham a christian? How about David or Jeremiah? Was Jesus a christian Tom???
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Ok, I think I'll just leave this alone. It speaks for itself.

Tom
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
Ok, I think I'll just leave this alone. It speaks for itself.

Tom
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Before you do, could you please humor CC with the answer? Or do you hold on to the belief that only christians are saved, Tom?
 
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cfultz3

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Israel said:
Is it God's will that ALL be saved (I hope I don't have to quote verses for this)? YES
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If it is God's determination (purposed will) for all to be saved, then I ask you, what was the purpose of Jesus' death? To save us from what? Wouldn't that make Jesus's death in vain, if all the while, God had already determined we will all be saved?

Please don't take my Savior away, give His death purpose.
 
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Israel

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cfultz3 said:
If it is God's determination (purposed will) for all to be saved, then I ask you, what was the purpose of Jesus' death? To save us from what? Wouldn't that make Jesus's death in vain, if all the while, God had already determined we will all be saved?

Please don't take my Savior away, give His death purpose.
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Listen to what you're saying. He CAME to save all men, but BECAUSE all men will be saved, His death is in vain? Please ask yourself what is the point of being above the law, dominion, principalities and powers if in the end, He is STILL powerless to save those who die lost?

I ask you. What if you PAID for a stable of horses, but before you have a chance to move WHAT YOU OWN, the previous owner says, "They're yours but in order to move them into a better land, the horses must WILLINGLY come". What would you do in this situation?

Jesus died for the very purpose of moving the horses who will not willingly follow Him. So that He may become the Lord of BOTH the living and the dead.
 
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cfultz3

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Israel said:
Listen to what you're saying. He CAME to save all men, but BECAUSE all men will be saved, His death is in vain? Please ask yourself what is the point of being above the law, dominion, principalities and powers if in the end, He is STILL powerless to save those who die lost?
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Don't twist my words. Where does it say, "HE CAME to save all men"? I know from Scripture He came to offer salvation to all, but all will not accpect. What foolishness it is to imply that He will force His sonship upon all. Do you think all will be forgiven Satan and the fallen angels after a little punishment? Do you think that those who spit upon His blood, want Him as their Savior, whether they will like it or not?


Israel said:
Jesus died for the very purpose of moving the horses who will not willingly follow Him. So that He may become the Lord of BOTH the living and the dead.
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You, as well as I, know that He is the Lord of the dead, only in the sense that He is the only way for salvation. The "walking" dead has no other Lord which they can call upon to save them from spiritual death.

Indeed, He is the Lord of the spirtual dead also, in that upon His judgment, they will face an everlasting destruction from His presence. Who shall save them from Him? How can they ever present themselves to Him once their punishment is finished, seeing that their sentencing has an everlasting effect?
 
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Israel

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cfultz3 said:
Don't twist my words. Where does it say, "HE CAME to save all men"? I know from Scripture He came to offer salvation to all, but all will not accpect. What foolishness it is to imply that He will force His sonship upon all. Do you think all will be forgiven Satan and the fallen angels after a little punishment? Do you think that those who spit upon His blood, want Him as their Savior, whether they will like it or not?




You, as well as I, know that He is the Lord of the dead, only in the sense that He is the only way for salvation. The "walking" dead has no other Lord which they can call upon to save them from spiritual death.

Indeed, He is the Lord of the spirtual dead also, in that upon His judgment, they will face an everlasting destruction from His presence. Who shall save them from Him? How can they ever present themselves to Him once their punishment is finished, seeing that their sentencing has an everlasting effect?
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I'm not twisting your words but exposing what manner of spirit you are of.

1 Timothy 4:10

10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men (not could or might be), specially of those that believe (such as you).
 
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