A Very Simple Question

[GodsGrace101]

When I came to be convinced by the Hoy Spirit I had never been able to read theWord..

I was at the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, and after the Holy Spirit entered into me, I could not put down the Oxfor Study Bible I obtaine, also by another miraculous event.

Not being able to contain my joy, I began to share the Word with any and all students who would listen to me.

I found before I would atually rad for the first time on a given subject, I had already shared it with others verbatum.

The written code, test, kills without the HOly Spirit revealing it to a person. Oft times individuals understand not realizing it is the Holy Spirit givening them understanding. This seems to be the case with most people.

At any rate, I know the written code kill if not understood by the HOly Spirit for there is no truth revealed without His revealing it..

Now if one shares the Word from understanding,, no harm no fou. but if one shares simply varied cut and pasgted texts without understanding from the Hoy Spirit, his argument is most likely quite vain.

Happily, all who believe Jesus Christ have been touched by the HOly Spirit for the witness of Jesus Christ is that spirit of prophecy…..Revelation.

How come the Holy Spirit reveals different truths to different persons?
Isn't there only ONE truth?
Not only do some disagree with others,,,but they tell those others that they are not even saved because they have a "different" gospel -- as if there were more than one.

So,,,, how to explain?

 

[Dino246]

Did you know that in old Hebrew, Biblical, there were no separations of words and no capital letters? Yet the educated were given to understand what they were reading. I do know how to use grammar and punctuation quite well, but the problem is with an aging keyboard and not being able to see what I touch type, it suffers according to our modern ways of puncuations and grammar. Also, yesgterday evening the responses to this thread and others in which I am have come in very fast so I have not been using my text to voice to correct for the time it consumes.
When reading what I post, just ignore all if it makes no sense because it probably makes no sense.......sometimes my fingers get off the home row alos....then it is nothing but jibberish. Happy New Year and may God bless you each day of it., and always.

Understood. I wasn't intending to insult you. Happy New Year to you and yours.

 

[crossnote]

When one totally ignores the scriptures in the Old Testament they fail how to see God's character built in and around the law and why it was first implemented. If you say all the law was/is temporary and outdated, you can learn nothing from it. Jesus Himself taught and quoted it as enduring truths. But one has to delight in the law before one can be led by it (Psalms 1:2).

I didn't say law, I said Covenants. (That';s what 2Cor 3 is dealing with ...engraved on stone etc.). The Mosaic Covenant differs greatly from the New Covenant.

This in context is a comparison of the two Covenants ...the eternalness of the one and the temporalness of the other...the lifelessness of the one and the life empowering of the other etc..

 

[JaumeJ]

How come the Holy Spirit reveals different truths to different persons?
Isn't there only ONE truth?
Not only do some disagree with others,,,but they tell those others that they are not even saved because they have a "different" gospel -- as if there were more than one.

So,,,, how to explain?

Eternal truth never varies, hoever, each individual is given a personal Way in Christ, but this does not mean they vary from the truth. Not everyone is told to do certain works thety vary. Not everyone has the same gifts, they vary. Asfor our Savlation, there is but one way, Jesus Christ, and we are to learn from Him…….those who go off to books about, writings about etc, or anything else engraved in stone with no spirit of revelation will not have it very easy, not at all. Not that all have it easy,,: we all suffer in one manner or another, but it is nothing when we consider the great rewards to come in the Kingdom.

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems like an interesting question...trouble is: I don't understand it.
Maybe I'm one of those to whom you're not speaking.

Could you rephrase it?
It seems like you're asking if quoting verses alone is the letter of the law.
??

No man has the gift to simply read the Bible and pass on all truth. It is revealed as it is needed by the HOly kSpirit to each who believe. Also one must believe Gos is befoe he is albe to even begin to read the Word. I know I am not in command of all of the written Word, but the Holy Spirit does confirm all that I need in the sight of our Father. He does the same for all who believe.

 

[NayborBear]

How come the Holy Spirit reveals different truths to different persons?
Isn't there only ONE truth?
Not only do some disagree with others,,,but they tell those others that they are not even saved because they have a "different" gospel -- as if there were more than one.

So,,,, how to explain?

You are correct! There IS only 1 truth! Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
A "rub" comes into play, when some believers teach a "works for Salvation" doctrine, falsely, IMHO, against the "Coveting earnestly" Spiritual gifts doctrine!

AND? Beings this is a "public" venue for, and in the "discussing" of (how can I say) "issues?"
There are a proverbial cornucopia of believers, and non believers alike, with about as many different "levels" of faith, belief, and maturity.

So? It comes as "little wonder", to a long timer, in the BDF. Whereas, it comes as QUITE the shock! To others.

 

[Lanolin]

I think its good to give references but dont give way too many at once and then you will wear out peoples bibles if they constantly have to flick back and forth to references from all over the place.

When the bible as orignally read it was on a scroll and you couldnt flick back and forth, and you had to concentrate on one passage or chapter at a time. I still think thats the best way to read the Bible to see it as a story not just a 'text' that you quote from to be clever otherwise you being no better than a movie nerd who quotes lines all the time hoping people will get all your references, even those people who hadnt seen the whole movie. And they will be going what?!

This is what soundbites do they just dont get the context or the spirit of the Word. It might make you see clever and smart to quote a lot to 'back up your points' but the Scripture isnt meant to be used to 'back up our points' its the word revealed to us by a Holy God there ought not to be any argument about it! So those looking for a fight or argument arent really seeing the point of what scripture is for. Its not for us to argue about. As for being opponents, well if you treat everyone else on this site as an opposing unbeliever just because they dont read the bible the exact same way as you (its a long book) one really ought not to be on this site go practice your skills of debating on an atheist site. Personally I dont think Ive seen anyone win people over using that method...people will just call you a bible basher.

If God places it on your heart to share a prophecy i.e a scripture than do so. His word is precious and ought to be handled carefully. Theologians and commentaries can be useful in aiding some people but they arent to take primary place over scripture. Often I find that to get into an discussion with certain theolgians is futile because they are treating scripture as not the word of God but a man made philosophy....and seem to want to exalt their own ideas over what God says.

Thing is you can actually ask the Author of our faith. We have a relationship with Him do we not as we are his children. So all we have to do is ask Him to show us. Its called praying!

 

[Deade]

How come the Holy Spirit reveals different truths to different persons?
Isn't there only ONE truth?
Not only do some disagree with others,,,but they tell those others that they are not even saved because they have a "different" gospel -- as if there were more than one.

So,,,, how to explain?

Maybe I can help a little. If you are the devil and you wanted no man to have salvation, you would certainly get into the religion business as early as you could. Then present a counterfeit religion that is about 80% truth and 20% lies. Just enough truth to make it look authentic. That is just what he did.

2 Cor. 11:14 "And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light."

Next, realize that God (in Christ) is not willing to make the unsaved privy to the path to salvation.

Matt. 13:10-13 "And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?" He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand."

Finally, do a search on "mystery" and you will get an idea why God has allowed the mystery of the gospel to be a factor. The following is the first hit:

Mark 4:11 "And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,"

Using the NKJV Bible you will get 22 hits. Do another search on "mysteries" and you get another five hits. Nuff said!

 

[garee]

When Jesus was in the wilderness, He responded with " It is written " and then quoted Scripture upon which He relied in overcoming satan's feeble efforts to tempt Him.

For the most part, I try to include Scripture if/when I quote from Scripture so the reader can see for him/herself what is written in Scripture.

Jesus also read from Scripture when He taught in the temple. In Luke 4:16, we see that Jesus stood up when He read from Scripture and He sat down when He explained what the passage meant (Luke 4:20).

It was good enough for the Lord Jesus Christ and I will follow His example.

I would agree. Three times in Mathew 4 Jesus declared " as it is written" as the exclusive source of faith in respect to God unseen. The faith of Christ.Three denotes the end of a matter in many places throughout scripture. I would think it " as it is written" represents the signature of God. like the gospel key that the gates of hell could never prevail against.

The Son of man, Jesus weakened when tempted did not allow a new experience to be validator of the unseen spiritual things of God(Collosians 2:18). Again and again Jesus, said as it written to emphasize the law of faith .

Experience as the validator of the unseen spiritual things seems to the old age renewing itself in a cycle. Out of body experiences or dream interpretation even among Christians it seems to be on the rise its like the new gospel. Get experienced.

If the Son of man Jesus as our example resisted another unseen spirit as a fallen angel, the father of lies and maintained the integrity of the word of His father by saying again and again as it is written .Then I think we should be careful of those who promote seeking after a out of the body experience or dream interpreters which is simply lying spirits brining lies into mankind fleshly minds the place of our imaginations that make pictures or some call vision .

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

I would think as "it is written" is the reformation authority in any generation, restoring the living word to our author, our father in heaven .

 

[Hevosmies]

Very well said. Now find out what a true Jew is by studying with prayer how Leah came about to name Judah along with Paul's discourse on what a true Jew is...........I already know, but you should never say things blindly about Jews since it needs some study on your part.

I'll take a guess on what you believe it is:

Those with the faith of Abraham, those who are "in Christ" circumcised in the heart.

Did i get your belief right?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Eternal truth never varies, hoever, each individual is given a personal Way in Christ, but this does not mean they vary from the truth. Not everyone is told to do certain works thety vary. Not everyone has the same gifts, they vary. Asfor our Savlation, there is but one way, Jesus Christ, and we are to learn from Him…….those who go off to books about, writings about etc, or anything else engraved in stone with no spirit of revelation will not have it very easy, not at all. Not that all have it easy,,: we all suffer in one manner or another, but it is nothing when we consider the great rewards to come in the Kingdom.

I very much agree with your first sentence.
Each and every one of us has received special revelation from God...maybe something that helps us to understand Him better, or something that helps us better to confront life.

I also, however, believe that these teachings that are for us from God, should be for us only. We can share them in a sense of maybe helping others....but we should not take them as revelation....the revelation that Jesus brought to us regarding the Trinity or Godhead and which may not even be orthodox (mainline Christianity).

Also, it seems to me that books can be very healthy if they convey God's message to us. For instance, I read John Neuhause, Death on a Friday Afternoon, and found it to be very beautiful. Of course, we should not learn doctrine from anything but the bible.

 

[GodsGrace101]

You are correct! There IS only 1 truth! Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
A "rub" comes into play, when some believers teach a "works for Salvation" doctrine, falsely, IMHO, against the "Coveting earnestly" Spiritual gifts doctrine!

AND? Beings this is a "public" venue for, and in the "discussing" of (how can I say) "issues?"
There are a proverbial cornucopia of believers, and non believers alike, with about as many different "levels" of faith, belief, and maturity.

So? It comes as "little wonder", to a long timer, in the BDF. Whereas, it comes as QUITE the shock! To others.

Yes but therein lies my whole point.
You said Jesus is the truth.
I'll bet we're going to get differing views here.
Some believe we pick God and choose to serve Him.
Some believe God chooses us and the rest are lost.
Some believe salvation is forever no matter what.
Some believe salvation can be lost.

HOW can we know who is right?
We can't all be right.

 

[Hevosmies]

Yes but therein lies my whole point.
You said Jesus is the truth.
I'll bet we're going to get differing views here.
Some believe we pick God and choose to serve Him.
Some believe God chooses us and the rest are lost.
Some believe salvation is forever no matter what.
Some believe salvation can be lost.

HOW can we know who is right?
We can't all be right.

We cant all be right, but lucky for you, I am right and here are the right answers to your questions:

-God chooses us Ephesians 1:1-11
-Salvation IS forever - John 10:28-30

You are welcome

 

[GodsGrace101]

We cant all be right, but lucky for you, I am right and here are the right answers to your questions:

-God chooses us Ephesians 1:1-11
-Salvation IS forever - John 10:28-30

You are welcome

Here is proof positive!
What more can be said?
I think we need a Protestant pope!

 

[Hevosmies]

Here is proof positive!
What more can be said?
I think we need a Protestant pope!

Funny you should say that, i have used that term a couple of times here. I said "If I was the protestant pope". Did you refer to that? Or just happened to use the same phrase?

I'm up for the task. I'll set em straight. First order: STOP waiting weeks before baptizing people. Baptize them IMMEDIATELY. This way we get rid of the baptism debate completely. You are welcome guys.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Funny you should say that, i have used that term a couple of times here. I said "If I was the protestant pope". Did you refer to that? Or just happened to use the same phrase?

I'm up for the task. I'll set em straight. First order: STOP waiting weeks before baptizing people. Baptize them IMMEDIATELY. This way we get rid of the baptism debate completely. You are welcome guys.

No H,
I just happened to say it.

I was on another thread where there is disagreement on major issues.
The OP is asking about posting verses.
I found it to be useless.
We didn't all understand the verses the same.
It's becoming apparent to me that there will be no end to schisms unless Someone in Authority exegetes each and every verse.

 

[Hevosmies]

It's becoming apparent to me that there will be no end to schisms unless Someone in Authority exegetes each and every verse.

You are correct.

This is why the pope came to be to begin with I believe. And before that in the letters of Ignatius the "bishops" whose word/interpretation was prety much gospel truth.

Im not saying its a bad thing or a good thing, it depends 100% on WHO that authority figure is. For example: If you are living in the 1st century and your authority figure is someone like Paul or Peter, you are in good hands, but if you are following Marcion or Hymeneus, its a dire path.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I'll

You are correct.

This is why the pope came to be to begin with I believe. And before that in the letters of Ignatius the "bishops" whose word/interpretation was prety much gospel truth.

Im not saying its a bad thing or a good thing, it depends 100% on WHO that authority figure is. For example: If you are living in the 1st century and your authority figure is someone like Paul or Peter, you are in good hands, but if you are following Marcion or Hymeneus, its a dire path.

Agreed.
But at least we can say that the gates of hell did not prevail just as Jesus said...
And the early church protected what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

 

[JaumeJ]

I very much agree with your first sentence.
Each and every one of us has received special revelation from God...maybe something that helps us to understand Him better, or something that helps us better to confront life.

I also, however, believe that these teachings that are for us from God, should be for us only. We can share them in a sense of maybe helping others....but we should not take them as revelation....the revelation that Jesus brought to us regarding the Trinity or Godhead and which may not even be orthodox (mainline Christianity).

Also, it seems to me that books can be very healthy if they convey God's message to us. For instance, I read John Neuhause, Death on a Friday Afternoon, and found it to be very beautiful. Of course, we should not learn doctrine from anything but the bible.

Yes, I have been given personal messages, not a lot, but from the beginning of my walk with Jesus in 196j9, and all given me has turned out to be exact, not because of me but because of our Maker.

As you say, not all is for all, and you mention of books other than the Bible is true only to the extent of information on this age, not truth eternal, at least not for me..

Any text written down without opportunity for discussion is death for me, this includes the Word without the Hoy Spirit to enlighten, but you know this. All blessing in Jesus, Yeshua......j

 

[Dan_473]

It had occurred to me to expound on this subject much, but a simple question should not only say what I have to say on it but give the response too.

When we post, which is more in keeping with faith, cutting and pasting a lot of text quoted fromt he Word or simply sharing our understanding from the Holy Spirit., that living Representation of the Maker of all that is giving us understanding?

The written code alone kills, while the Spirit gives life. Must I here give you the chapter and verse of this? If so, I am not addressing you.

Yep, ask seek find!