Abide in Christ, or in sin
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Have you read VW's exegesis on the full verses yet? He's good! I finally get "Care of Grapevines 101." lol
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First, grapevines aren't your standard-issued trees. (Which brought me to my question.) Second, here's a scriptural-laden response to this thread, which is both peaceful and a great rebuttal.
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You make a good point Jeff. 
You just lost my respect and I no longer trust you. (Bad fruit?)
I did get my answer, but from someone who really does know here.
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I didnt know VW was a caucasian man though
https://bible.org/seriespage/7-moment-moment-john-151-11
Unless he is the same person?
If he isnt would be nice to give credit to the man because its plagiarizing not too.
https://bible.org/seriespage/7-moment-moment-john-151-11
Unless he is the same person?
If he isnt would be nice to give credit to the man because its plagiarizing not too.
Ezekiel 14:1-10Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 Then came certain of the elders of Israel to me and sat before me.
2 And the word of the Lord came to me:
3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and put the stumbling block of their iniquity and guilt before their faces; should I permit Myself to be inquired of at all by them?
4 Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols [of self-will and unsubmissiveness] into his heart and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity [idols of silver and gold] before his face, and yet comes to the prophet [to inquire of him], I the Lord will answer him, answer him according to the multitude of his idols,
5 That I may lay hold of the house of Israel in the thoughts of their own mind and heart, because they are all estranged from Me through their idols.
6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
7 For anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who separates himself from Me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity and guilt before his face, and [yet] comes to the prophet to inquire for himself of Me, I the Lord will answer him Myself!
8 And I will set My face against that [false worshiper] and will make him a sign and a byword, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people; and you shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord.
9 [The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer’s sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.
10 And they both shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the iniquity of the [presumptuous] prophet shall be the same as the iniquity of the [hypocritical] inquirer,
14 Then came certain of the elders of Israel to me and sat before me.
2 And the word of the Lord came to me:
3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and put the stumbling block of their iniquity and guilt before their faces; should I permit Myself to be inquired of at all by them?
4 Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols [of self-will and unsubmissiveness] into his heart and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity [idols of silver and gold] before his face, and yet comes to the prophet [to inquire of him], I the Lord will answer him, answer him according to the multitude of his idols,
5 That I may lay hold of the house of Israel in the thoughts of their own mind and heart, because they are all estranged from Me through their idols.
6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
7 For anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who separates himself from Me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity and guilt before his face, and [yet] comes to the prophet to inquire for himself of Me, I the Lord will answer him Myself!
8 And I will set My face against that [false worshiper] and will make him a sign and a byword, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people; and you shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord.
9 [The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer’s sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.
10 And they both shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the iniquity of the [presumptuous] prophet shall be the same as the iniquity of the [hypocritical] inquirer,
Post #23 was my post, but if you mean about the pruning and removing of branches Desired Haven answered your question here....
Heres a couple that might make sense to you Lynn
John 15:1 I am the true vine, (((and my Father))) is the husbandman.
John 15:2 Every branch ((( in me ))) that beareth not fruit (((( he taketh away))):
and every branch that beareth fruit, (((( he purgeth it )))) that it may bring forth ((( more )))) fruit.
Seems to mirror chastening
Heb 12:7 If ye endure ((( chastening )))) God dealeth with you as with ((( sons ))))
for what son is he whom the father ((( chasteneth not )))?
Heb 12:11 Now (((( no chastening )))) for the present seemeth to be joyous,((( but grievous))):
nevertheless afterward it ((( yieldeth )))) the peaceable (((( fruit of )))) righteousness unto them which ((( are exercised ))) thereby. {end quote}
I thought her response answered your question? But concerning the branches that bear fruit, and that he prunes to bear more fruit, and concerning the branches in Him that do not bear fruit and he takes away, I believe can be shown here as well.
Mark 4:24-25[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
This is a warning. Be careful how you hear, and who you listen to.
Heres a couple that might make sense to you Lynn
John 15:1 I am the true vine, (((and my Father))) is the husbandman.
John 15:2 Every branch ((( in me ))) that beareth not fruit (((( he taketh away))):
and every branch that beareth fruit, (((( he purgeth it )))) that it may bring forth ((( more )))) fruit.
Seems to mirror chastening
Heb 12:7 If ye endure ((( chastening )))) God dealeth with you as with ((( sons ))))
for what son is he whom the father ((( chasteneth not )))?
Heb 12:11 Now (((( no chastening )))) for the present seemeth to be joyous,((( but grievous))):
nevertheless afterward it ((( yieldeth )))) the peaceable (((( fruit of )))) righteousness unto them which ((( are exercised ))) thereby. {end quote}
I thought her response answered your question? But concerning the branches that bear fruit, and that he prunes to bear more fruit, and concerning the branches in Him that do not bear fruit and he takes away, I believe can be shown here as well.
Mark 4:24-25[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
This is a warning. Be careful how you hear, and who you listen to.
Did he claim it as his own work?
pla·gia·rize
ˈplājəˌrīz/
verb
gerund or present participle: plagiarizing
pla·gia·rize
ˈplājəˌrīz/
verb
gerund or present participle: plagiarizing
- take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
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[TD]copy, infringe the copyright of, pirate, steal, poach, appropriate; Moreinformalrip off, crib, “borrow”, pinch
"he was fined for plagiarizing a song"
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- copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own.
- copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own.
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Post #23 was my post, but if you mean about the pruning and removing of branches Desired Haven answered your question here....
Heres a couple that might make sense to you Lynn
John 15:1 I am the true vine, (((and my Father))) is the husbandman.
John 15:2 Every branch ((( in me ))) that beareth not fruit (((( he taketh away))):
and every branch that beareth fruit, (((( he purgeth it )))) that it may bring forth ((( more )))) fruit.
Seems to mirror chastening
Heb 12:7 If ye endure ((( chastening )))) God dealeth with you as with ((( sons ))))
for what son is he whom the father ((( chasteneth not )))?
Heb 12:11 Now (((( no chastening )))) for the present seemeth to be joyous,((( but grievous))):
nevertheless afterward it ((( yieldeth )))) the peaceable (((( fruit of )))) righteousness unto them which ((( are exercised ))) thereby. {end quote}
I thought her response answered your question? But concerning the branches that bear fruit, and that he prunes to bear more fruit, and concerning the branches in Him that do not bear fruit and he takes away, I believe can be shown here as well.
Mark 4:24-25[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
This is a warning. Be careful how you hear, and who you listen to.
Heres a couple that might make sense to you Lynn
John 15:1 I am the true vine, (((and my Father))) is the husbandman.
John 15:2 Every branch ((( in me ))) that beareth not fruit (((( he taketh away))):
and every branch that beareth fruit, (((( he purgeth it )))) that it may bring forth ((( more )))) fruit.
Seems to mirror chastening
Heb 12:7 If ye endure ((( chastening )))) God dealeth with you as with ((( sons ))))
for what son is he whom the father ((( chasteneth not )))?
Heb 12:11 Now (((( no chastening )))) for the present seemeth to be joyous,((( but grievous))):
nevertheless afterward it ((( yieldeth )))) the peaceable (((( fruit of )))) righteousness unto them which ((( are exercised ))) thereby. {end quote}
I thought her response answered your question? But concerning the branches that bear fruit, and that he prunes to bear more fruit, and concerning the branches in Him that do not bear fruit and he takes away, I believe can be shown here as well.
Mark 4:24-25[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
This is a warning. Be careful how you hear, and who you listen to.
It really still didn't answer my question though. I'm a gardener. There are several meanings to the word prune. You even used a completely different word (in modern context) in your original post. The word you used, wasn't prune/cut off. So, really really, you need to learn about the context and words you're teaching before teaching it. That word has too many different meanings and yet it came from ancient Greek, so there are ways to learn it. Swapping translations to meet your particular need at the moment someone asks a question isn't one of them.
As I said, I did learn this stuff now from someone else. It works for me as a gardener, because now I understand how to "prune" a grapevine. You don't lop off branches. You just don't. No fruit if you do, and keeping the good branches is the only reason to have a vine, because they develop fruit.
Did I not tell you plainly it was DH's response? How could you miss that in my post? Ah yes, unless of course you also came here to bring railing accusations. Nice try with the context mumbo jumb, never works, but nice try anyway. And Remember, be careful how you hear, and who you are listening to. Happy gardening!
Romans 11:17-22[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Whew where are my sunglasses? The robes keep getting brighter in these threads!
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Revelation 3:4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.