Abraham is the father of the faith approved by Jehovah
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Jesus said and did everything the Father gave Him to say and to do. Jesus was 100% human, and 100% divine. His human will was in complete submission to the will of the Father, though humanly, He would wish it to be different, knowing what was ahead of Him (a brutal, cruel death on the cross). The thought of it was so agonizing, it made Him sweat blood!
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11
That would be given due consideration except that it's is flawed in that you can not make it agree with the statements of the Messiah [
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [ John 2:16
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [ as I have said before English is not my mother tongue , however, these verses are clear and on par with the first followers
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [ John 2:16
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 14:2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations [ as I have said before English is not my mother tongue , however, these verses are clear and on par with the first followers
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven." Matthew 16:13-17
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The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14
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The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14
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The entity you refer to as father , God , I am , do not have the same attributes of Jehovah the Originator , Provider and sender of the prophets , The Judge of the Day of Judgement,,, Jehovah is self-sufficient without rivals he creates and is not created Jehovah feeds and is not fed. And Jehovah is not .000001% human.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh,and could speak from His human side,or His divine side.
He was always led of the Spirit,and a Spirit led life will not sin,so the man Christ Jesus was sinless.
That throws people off how Jesus can be God when the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God because He is an omnipresent Spirit.
But God is a invisible God so the only way we can see Him is if He shows a visible manifestation of Himself.
Which God appeared to Abraham twice in human form,once to say that Abraham will have a child,and concerning Sodom and Gomorrah,and once as Melchizedek,king of Salem,and once to Jacob in visible form,and once to Samson's parents in angelic form.
God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which He has the Spirit without measure,attributes,and it pleased the Father that in Him dwells all fulness should dwell,and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for He cannot be separated.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,a visible manifestation of Him,and now a glorified body as the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible says God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them,and Jesus said to Philip if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and the words that I speak are not My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ(one visible manifestation of God to humanity,and Savior), by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I do not know why they say there is a trinity when the Bible only attributes the Father as God.
One God who is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The Old Testament says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father,and Jesus said to Philip if you have seem Me you have seen the Father.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself the only way He could provide salvation,and have a visible relationship to the saints forever.
Jesus has the human will and the divine will but was always led of the Spirit for the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,so the man Christ Jesus always did the will of God nothing wavering.
That is why Jesus said if you deny Him you deny the Father,for He is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself.
To deny Jesus is to deny God,for He is God.
How else will we see the invisible God unless He shows a visible image of Himself,for we can have an invisible relationship with Him,but God wants to have a visible relationship with Him too.
Jesus Christ is His invisible relationship to the saints forever.
He was always led of the Spirit,and a Spirit led life will not sin,so the man Christ Jesus was sinless.
That throws people off how Jesus can be God when the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God because He is an omnipresent Spirit.
But God is a invisible God so the only way we can see Him is if He shows a visible manifestation of Himself.
Which God appeared to Abraham twice in human form,once to say that Abraham will have a child,and concerning Sodom and Gomorrah,and once as Melchizedek,king of Salem,and once to Jacob in visible form,and once to Samson's parents in angelic form.
God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which He has the Spirit without measure,attributes,and it pleased the Father that in Him dwells all fulness should dwell,and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for He cannot be separated.
The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,a visible manifestation of Him,and now a glorified body as the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
The Bible says God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them,and Jesus said to Philip if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father,and the words that I speak are not My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ(one visible manifestation of God to humanity,and Savior), by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I do not know why they say there is a trinity when the Bible only attributes the Father as God.
One God who is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
The Old Testament says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father,and Jesus said to Philip if you have seem Me you have seen the Father.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself the only way He could provide salvation,and have a visible relationship to the saints forever.
Jesus has the human will and the divine will but was always led of the Spirit for the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,so the man Christ Jesus always did the will of God nothing wavering.
That is why Jesus said if you deny Him you deny the Father,for He is God showing a visible manifestation of Himself.
To deny Jesus is to deny God,for He is God.
How else will we see the invisible God unless He shows a visible image of Himself,for we can have an invisible relationship with Him,but God wants to have a visible relationship with Him too.
Jesus Christ is His invisible relationship to the saints forever.
Thetruth101: You have not yet given me a straight answer to the following question:
Which do you believe: that Jesus is God, or that Jesus is "a god", or some other belief?
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Which do you believe: that Jesus is God, or that Jesus is "a god", or some other belief?
Please use the "Reply With Quote" button at lower right. Please do not quote Scripture at me. Just answer the question with a plain and clear statement of your beliefs regarding Jesus. Something like, "I believe that Jesus is...."
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. John 1:1-5
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(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:13-18
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(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Colossians 1:13-18
"I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. [SUP]38 [/SUP]I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. [SUP]41 [/SUP]You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. [SUP]44 [/SUP]You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? [SUP]47 [/SUP]He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
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49 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. [SUP]50 [/SUP]And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
[SUP]52 [/SUP]Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ [SUP]53 [/SUP]Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. [SUP]55 [/SUP]Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. [SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:37-58
[SUP]39 [/SUP]They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. [SUP]41 [/SUP]You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. [SUP]44 [/SUP]You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? [SUP]47 [/SUP]He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
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49 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. [SUP]50 [/SUP]And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
[SUP]52 [/SUP]Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ [SUP]53 [/SUP]Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. [SUP]55 [/SUP]Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. [SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:37-58
That is true that Jehovah is not human at all for He is God,but Jesus said all things are possible with God,and nothing is too hard for Him,so He has the ability to manifest Himself in flesh.
It does not take away from His deity,for He still is an omnipresent Spirit,but Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Gen 18:17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
God and 2 of His angels appeared in flesh before Abraham.
Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Jdg 13:16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
Jdg 13:19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.
Jdg 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
Jdg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
How does one explain these manifestations of God.Notice how God says why ask for My name for it is secret when Jacob,and Monoah asked for His name,which a human and an angel would not have to say that in that way.
If a person does not believe God can be appear in flesh as Jesus,then they would have to not believe that God appeared to Abraham,and Jacob,and Samson's parents,that was in the Old Testament.
It does not take away from His deity,for He still is an omnipresent Spirit,but Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God.
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Gen 18:17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
God and 2 of His angels appeared in flesh before Abraham.
Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Jdg 13:16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
Jdg 13:19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.
Jdg 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
Jdg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
How does one explain these manifestations of God.Notice how God says why ask for My name for it is secret when Jacob,and Monoah asked for His name,which a human and an angel would not have to say that in that way.
If a person does not believe God can be appear in flesh as Jesus,then they would have to not believe that God appeared to Abraham,and Jacob,and Samson's parents,that was in the Old Testament.