Abraham - Why Is He Our Father Of Faith

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2ndTimothyGroup

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Imputed righteousness is one of the least understood and least accepted Gospel truths among Christians.
Amen. "They" do not understand this concept . . . at . . . all. Here is another example of how Righteousness was imputed to Abraham (using Abraham as the subject in the below Scripture).

Ezekiel 11:19-20 NKJV - "Then I will give Abraham and his descendants one heart, and I will put a new spirit within Abraham and those who he has Fathered, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 "that Abraham and his descendants may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and Abraham and those he has Fathered shall be My people, and I will be their God."

It should be obvious as to why we need to understand these things. Imputed Righteousness is at the "Heart" of our Faith, which is a changed Heart produced by the Spirit, and not that of ourselves.
 

JaumeJ

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Psalm 32 has this same gift mentioned by David when he declares a man is blessed when his sin is overlooked and the guilt of it is not imputed against him. Some bibles may say iniquity in place of sin.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Here is what happened to Abraham, and this is why he is our "Father," or Institutor of Faith:

Deuteronomy 30:6 NKJV - "Abraham, the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."

Yes, I added Abraham's name so that we can understand how this principle works.

So, folks . . . has the Lord done this to you . . . yet? If "you" are a descendent of Abraham, and you'd better be, then your Heart has been Circumcised by Christ.
 

Blik

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You know, I have watched you go after so many people because they were not running in accordance to the purpose of the OP. And here you are doing the same things. As said, I am not interested in your game playing.
It is not Christian to go after people. I am a Christian, and any post I post is to reflect God, and God does not go after people, yet time after time I am accused of this. I think I should post my studies of scripture and if it is not in scripture what I post, or if I am going after people and not expressing what I found in the word, then I have no right.

How can I post scripture and avoid these terrible, awful blaming me for doing so? Must I not ever tell anyone what I learn from my study and listening prayers? People are so very free to disagree with me, but that doesn't happen often. Instead I am accusing of unchristian behavior.
 

Dino246

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It is not Christian to go after people. I am a Christian, and any post I post is to reflect God, and God does not go after people, yet time after time I am accused of this. I think I should post my studies of scripture and if it is not in scripture what I post, or if I am going after people and not expressing what I found in the word, then I have no right.

How can I post scripture and avoid these terrible, awful blaming me for doing so? Must I not ever tell anyone what I learn from my study and listening prayers? People are so very free to disagree with me, but that doesn't happen often. Instead I am accusing of unchristian behavior.
Maybe this will help. In response to the OP’s simple and inoffensive question regarding translations, you wrote this:

Are you saying you don't believe that what I say is from scripture? If so, what of my statements of what scripture tells me do you think is not in scripture?
It comes across as picking a fight. You could have simply answered the question without assuming any ill intent behind it.
 

Blik

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Maybe this will help. In response to the OP’s simple and inoffensive question regarding translations, you wrote this:


It comes across as picking a fight. You could have simply answered the question without assuming any ill intent behind it.
Thanks. I most certainly do not want to pick a fight, and I respect the people's ideas that I am responding to. I am trying my best to respond to ideas alone.
 

oyster67

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Abraham - Why Is He Our Father Of Faith

As the title says, It was Abraham's faith that pleased God, not his pedigree or breeding. So it is with you and I.

Matthew
3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

We, the Church, are all children of Abraham because this "children-ship" is imputed by faith rather than Law or genetic markers...

Romans
4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
4:9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised.
4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
 
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  1. Romans 4:16
    Therefore it is of faith that it might beaccording to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
 
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Abraham - Why Is He Our Father Of Faith

As the title says, It was Abraham's faith that pleased God, not his pedigree or breeding. So it is with you and I.

Matthew
3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

We, the Church, are all children of Abraham because this "children-ship" is imputed by faith rather than Law or genetic markers...

Romans
4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
4:9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised.
4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Ya beat me to it brother
 

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What happened to Abraham? If we look forward to the Days of Christ, including His death on the Cross, we can better understand why Abraham is our Father, or initial representative, of what True and genuine Faith is. What happened to Abraham can be found in Colossians 2:9-15.



Colossians 2:9-15 NKJV

9 "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . . ." – Jesus is complete because He is "in" the Father.

10 ". . . and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power." – Abraham was not yet made complete (remember, on the Cross was when Jesus said, "It is finished." Abraham would have to wait for the death of Christ to be forgiven of sin. Today, however, and because Christ has already died, if we Truly Believe in Christ, we too are complete in Christ. Why and how are we complete? Verses 11 through 15 tell us . . . clearly.

11 "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ . . ." – Christ Spiritually Circumcised Abraham. And this is the Purpose of Christ, to remove the Curse that separates us from God. Without Christ, according to the Eternal, pre-written Plan, there can be no relief of the Adamic Curse. Abraham was lifted of the Sinful Nature so that he could respond, or, Turn and Repent. Abraham, before physical circumcision, was Spiritually Circumcised by Christ, the Circumcision made without human hands. This Spiritual Circumcision is the removal of the body of sins that a person possesses. That "body," or sum and source of evil. . . is removed. This "body of the sins" has been put off; an evident change has been made and put into effect within the new believer's Heart. And this is precisely what happened to Abraham.

12 ". . . buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with [Him] through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." – Again, Abraham would have to wait for the Holy Sacrifice of Christ. But for those of us today, and because Christ has already paid the penalty for our sins, we are raised anew by our Genuine Belief in him. For Abraham, though, he would have to wait for the final Work of Christ, the Capstone of Jesus's act of paying the debt for our sins.

13 "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses . . ." – Abraham was not yet made alive by Christ, because Christ had yet to die, thus paying the debt for his sin. This, however, does not mean that he wasn't Pure, Righteous, Blameless, and Holy. He was . . . However, Abraham was still "dead (in Sheol) because of his sins, because the debt had yet to be paid. Abraham had been lifted of the Adamic Curse; he had been Enabled to Turn and Repent, and the Holy Spirit had been granted to Abraham to ensure that he would live his life according to the Holy Edicts issued by God Himself. So when Abraham died, he had already been Purified by Christ. The remaining "it is finished" Work that needed to be conducted for Abraham by Christ, would be the payment for his (Abraham's) sin, and this is through Christ's death.

14 ". . . having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." – When Jesus removes the Adamic Curse from our Hearts, no worldly law determines our innocence or guilt. The Curse that causes sin in our lives will have been removed. Therefore, laws, and even the breaking of them, no longer separates us from God. Jesus is who, or what, that Justifies us. Laws no longer act as a Holy Guardian, but a Truly Converted Believer will live by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. Laws written on stone save no one, but Laws from the Holy Spirit embedded within the New Heart are Causal; they are Effectual, and these Laws absolutely guarantee an Eternal Inheritance. This is what happened to Abraham; this is precisely what happened to Abraham! The Adamic Curse, the Sinful Nature, was lifted but replaced by the Divine Nature. Unless Abraham was born without the Adamic Curse, which is entirely possible, at some point, Christ Circumcised the Heart of Abraham so that he would obey.

15 "Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it." – The result of being lifted of the Sin Nature is that the Devil has ultimately been defeated in a Truly Saved Believer of Christ. And that is precisely what happened to, and for, Abraham. Satan could no longer kill the Seed of Christ that lived within him. Abraham's Spiritual life was wholly protected. But for us today, if we have Turned to Christ for this clear, Spiritual Circumcision, we should be living our lives as those who have been totally relieved of the influence of Satan and his minions. Satan can no longer be blamed for our sin if his influence has been removed. And again, this is what happened to Christ.

And what about young Saul, later to be called Paul? What happened to him? Why did he change? How did he change? Doesn't it seem reasonable that what happened to Abraham, through the easy-to-understand passages that I have provided, is what happened to Saul/Paul? I've shown through the Old Testament what the Promise would be, the Promise of a New Heart and Spirit [so that] we will change and obey more and more, and I have shown through the New Testament what the Spiritual Operation of Christ is. Paul tells us precisely what happened to him . . . he made it clear in Colossians 2:9-15. Have you ever noticed Colossians 2:9-15? I know you haven't. . . neither did I for the first 51 years of my life.



Ezekiel 36:25-27 tells us of the Promise of Circumcision.

John 3:16-17 tells us of the Purpose of Christ, which is to save the World through His Work, His "Hand."

Colossians 2:9-15 tells us exactly [how] Jesus saves us.