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Is there Absolute Truth?

  • Yes it is valid

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Sirk

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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. Matt.5:44

Even Ghandi practiced non-violence.
I don't remember Jesus ever teaching that the job of being a soldier was one that wasn't a necessary occupation.
 
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Rosesrock

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What if a person living in the time of Hitler had such compassion and love for people in concentration camps decided to kill Hiter. Would assassinating Adolf Hitler take precedence over "Thou shalt not kill"?
Isnt that like protecting and/or self defense knowing what was coming??
 
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What if a person living in the time of Hitler had such compassion and love for people in concentration camps decided to kill Hiter. Would assassinating Adolf Hitler take precedence over "Thou shalt not kill"?
Kill one for the sake of millions. No brainer.
 
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I don't remember Jesus ever teaching that the job of being a soldier was one that wasn't a necessary occupation.
I'm not talking about being a soldier, remember I said someone that decides to "assassinate" Hitler. Most assassins haven't been soldiers, I'm talking about an individual that decides to wack Hilter.
 
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Rosesrock

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I'm not talking about being a soldier, remember I said someone that decides to "assassinate" Hitler. Most assassins haven't been soldiers, I'm talking about an individual that decides to wack Hilter.
Motive??....heart issue
 
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Sirk

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I'm not talking about being a soldier, remember I said someone that decides to "assassinate" Hitler. Most assassins haven't been soldiers, I'm talking about an individual that decides to wack Hilter.
In retrospect...I wouldn't fault him for it. Would I advocate for someone to do it now? That's where it gets to be on shaky ground for me. The alternative is to help those that are being murdered. That seems like the more noble course to take for me. Either way you are risking your life...helping people would be risking it in the positive sense I suppose.
 
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In retrospect...I wouldn't fault him for it. Would I advocate for someone to do it now? That's where it gets to be on shaky ground for me. The alternative is to help those that are being murdered. That seems like the more noble course to take for me. Either way you are risking your life...helping people would be risking it in the positive sense I suppose.
So do you think that if a young woman was asked to associate with a known spy and have sex with him it would be ok since it would be for good of the country?
 

p_rehbein

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Wasn't Hitler gassing innocent people? I could have my history wrong I suppose.
Yes, and while he surely was guilty of mass genocide, this in and of itself does not make assassinating him "not a sin." Murder is murder........be it one or millions..........justifications such as "for the greater good" don't reflect Scriptural teachings in my opinion. Capture, arrest, charge, put on trial and render verdict, then decide the appropriate punishment, and carry that punishment out would be the better route to take in my opinion.

God reserves "vengeance" for Himself as I recall. Just saying........ :)


I suppose to clarify.....if one were actually standing there when Hitler ordered they be gassed, and they fought back to protect themselves and others, and Hitler were killed in the melee, then that would not be murder, but self defense, and I could accept that.
 
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Rosesrock

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Yes, and while he surely was guilty of mass genocide, this in and of itself does not make assassinating him "not a sin." Murder is murder........be it one or millions..........justifications such as "for the greater good" don't reflect Scriptural teachings in my opinion. Capture, arrest, charge, put on trial and render verdict, then decide the appropriate punishment, and carry that punishment out would be the better route to take in my opinion.

God reserves "vengeance" for Himself as I recall. Just saying........ :)
...........then.............waterboard....ok kidding
 
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In retrospect...I wouldn't fault him for it. Would I advocate for someone to do it now? That's where it gets to be on shaky ground for me. The alternative is to help those that are being murdered. That seems like the more noble course to take for me. Either way you are risking your life...helping people would be risking it in the positive sense I suppose.
Did any of the writers of the NT advocate murdering people for any reason?
 
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Did any of the writers of the NT advocate murdering people for any reason?
Paul stated, if it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
 
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Yes, and while he surely was guilty of mass genocide, this in and of itself does not make assassinating him "not a sin." Murder is murder........be it one or millions..........justifications such as "for the greater good" don't reflect Scriptural teachings in my opinion. Capture, arrest, charge, put on trial and render verdict, then decide the appropriate punishment, and carry that punishment out would be the better route to take in my opinion.

God reserves "vengeance" for Himself as I recall. Just saying........ :)


I suppose to clarify.....if one were actually standing there when Hitler ordered they be gassed, and they fought back to protect themselves and others, and Hitler were killed in the melee, then that would not be murder, but self defense, and I could accept that.
How about life time imprisonment on bread and water?
 
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It's gettin late, see you tomorrow. yawn3.gif
 

Angela53510

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What if a person living in the time of Hitler had such compassion and love for people in concentration camps decided to kill Hiter. Would assassinating Adolf Hitler take precedence over "Thou shalt not kill"?

You need to read about Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He was a Lutheran pastor in Nazi Germany. He left the country in the 1930's, but when Hitler started to get really crazy he went back to minister to his people. He founded a dissenting church (The Confessing Church) when both the Catholics and Lutherans coopted to support Hitler and Nazism.

He fought with love for many years. Finally, he joined the conspiracies to kill Hitler when he realized how bad things were in Germany. Eventually Hitler had him arrested and thrown in jail. Hitler had him killed when the Allies were only a few days from liberating Germany.

His most well known book is "The Cost of Discipleship." It is worth the read.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer | Christian History
 
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Rosesrock

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You need to read about Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He was a Lutheran pastor in Nazi Germany. He left the country in the 1930's, but when Hitler started to get really crazy he went back to minister to his people. He founded a dissenting church (The Confessing Church) when both the Catholics and Lutherans coopted to support Hitler and Nazism.

He fought with love for many years. Finally, he joined the conspiracies to kill Hitler when he realized how bad things were in Germany. Eventually Hitler had him arrested and thrown in jail. Hitler had him killed when the Allies were only a few days from liberating Germany.

His most well known book is "The Cost of Discipleship." It is worth the read.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer | Christian History
Ok that man is awesome, my hub is reading his book now. Great stuff
 
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p_rehbein

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How about life time imprisonment on bread and water?
If that is the Judgment / punishment rendered, then ok. I did not specify a particular punishment in my comment.

Capture, arrest, charge, put on trial and render verdict, then decide the appropriate punishment, and carry that punishment out would be the better route to take in my opinion.