Abusive qualities of OSAS doctrine

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marianna

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cfultz3 said:
Brothers and sisters,

This is an opportunity to learn. Accusations are made so that others can fall into that same spirit of accussing others. Don't fall under that bitternance, but keep uplifting.
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I don't know about you and your cheerleader (who accuses with a forked tongue), but this is what Paul says that is uplifting.

Eternal Security.

Those who must dismantle what he says are perhaps jealous, or at least lacking peace.



Romans 8:37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. (NASB: Lockman)

Greek: all' en toutois pasin hupernikomen (1PPAI) dia tou agapesantos (AAPMSG) hemas.
Amplified: Yet amid all these things we are more than conquerors and gain a surpassing victory through Him Who loved us. (Amplified Bible - Lockman)
ICB: But in all these things we have full victory through God who showed His love for us. (ICB: Nelson)
KJV: Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
NLT: No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us. (NLT - Tyndale House)
Phillips: No, in all these things we win an overwhelming victory through him who has proved his love for us. (Phillips: Touchstone)
Wuest: But in these things, all of them, we are coming off constantly with more than the victory through the One who loved us. (Eerdmans)
Young's Literal: But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us



Some of us believe what the Bible says.

It's about what HE has done.
 
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GreenNnice

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marianna said:
For the record, you are accusing those who believe they are eternally secure of being perverts who thought Paul was telling them "let us do evil that good may result"?

Does anyone on this forum believe and proclaim this? If so, this would be a good time to let it be known.

Paul is actually teaching the Divine Wisdom that in our unrighteousness God's righteousness is revealed.

Again: does anyone who believes in eternal security also believe Let us do evil that good may result?
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Yes, teaching, mari, the Lord leads, Paul was not led by man or men but by God, Paul was sent by God to preach the gospel.

Let's reiterate what Paul, whose very words came from God, said, of the righteous becoming unrighteous. This sinner changed, mari, from good to bad (evil), so, that to preface, if this righteous, truly saved, sinner goes and chooses falsehood (unfaithfulness to Christ, going to false belief), then God STILL does not deny
Himself (faithless).

And, if that person continues to live in His sinful ways AFTER having been righteous (saving faith) then Paul is curt-clear: Their CONDEMNATION is deserved. (They WERE ONCE SAVED, BUT NOW UNSAVED).

marianna said:
Did you have a saving faith before you went and did unrighteousness? This person goes from.knowing Truth to blaspheming Truth yet the power of God is seen still, God increases (His glory and trueness to His self to CONTINUE FAITHFULLY doing good) while this sinner, Paul speaks of, decreases, they turn to evil from good, and, get condemnation for it. :( 'The word 'deserved' is in last tense.
What will you do now? I don't know what this person will do? Paul says their actions condemned them.

Does it mean you were never saved?
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THIS PERSON did in Romans 3 . They became unfaithful. Paul doesn't speak of them being 'never saved in the first place,' so we have to assume they WERE saved then DEPARTED the faith, just like 1 Tim. 4:1 says many will do. It's those, too, who are 'in faith' (saved) who fall away to deceptive teachers and false spirits. These evil folk ( false teachers and false spirits) too, one day when God says so (read Revelation 11, 14) will be CONDEMNED too, thrown into the lake of fire.
So much for universal salvation. :( It would be nice that everyone gets saved :) But, God is just, IF you forsake Him, VENGEANCE IS HIS !!! (Read Deuteronomy's last three chapters, you will indeed see God's just treatment of Israel, what happened, why it happened, and, what will soon happen (to Israel) for their disobedience, by turning their FAITH to other gods.

eternally-gratefull said:

Yeah I did. I have spoken what you believe. Notice how you did not refute anything I said, even though I made accusations against you. What do you think this shows the world?
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eg, why does if cfultz refutes (or not refutes) what you say mean that what you say 'must be true?'

Who died and made cee, God ?
In fact, what ANY man teaches another on c.c. is to be brought to the Spirit, who lives inside a sinner's (believer's) temple, for only 'this' way does one understand His Truth. Not cee, silly, God, He interprets ALL Truth for those believers in Him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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eg, why does if cfultz refutes (or not refutes) what you say mean that what you say 'must be true?'

Who died and made cee, God ?
In fact, what ANY man teaches another on c.c. is to be brought to the Spirit, who lives inside a sinner's (believer's) temple, for only 'this' way does one understand His Truth. Not cee, silly, God, He interprets ALL Truth for those believers in Him.
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Greeny, When you respond to someone, You don;t respond by making an attack, You either refute what they said, or ignore it altogether. The mere fact he made an attack against me and did not respond to what I said speaks loudly to those who read what is being said.

Who died and made me God? It finny you should ask, Your the ones condemning me. and making accusations against me. So who is playing God here>
 
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feedm3

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People on here who constantly say things like "now we can all see", "this shows everyone" "everyone sees your" etc.

Only shows what they are really concerned with, this is what people think rather than what is truth. They have their reward.


When this is said over and over it's like begging others to please agree with them, hoping saying that will catch their attention, and others will say "yea he's right", which never happens, so hearing it so much starts to sound silly.
 
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GreenNnice

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* bump, bump....
 
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Then Jesus said to the disciples, “And so I tell you not to worry about the food you need to stay alive or about the clothes you need for your body. 23 Life is much more important than food, and the body much more important than clothes. 24 Look at the crows: they don't plant seeds or gather a harvest; they don't have storage rooms or barns; God feeds them! You are worth so much more than birds! 25 Can any of you live a bit longer[a] by worrying about it? 26 If you can't manage even such a small thing, why worry about the other things? 27 Look how the wild flowers grow: they don't work or make clothes for themselves. But I tell you that not even King Solomon with all his wealth had clothes as beautiful as one of these flowers. 28 It is God who clothes the wild grass—grass that is here today and gone tomorrow, burned up in the oven. Won't he be all the more sure to clothe you? What little faith you have!

29 “So don't be all upset, always concerned about what you will eat and drink. 30 (For the pagans of this world are always concerned about all these things.) Your Father knows that you need these things. 31 Instead, be concerned with his Kingdom, and he will provide you with these things.

Riches in Heaven

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father is pleased to give you the Kingdom. 33 Sell all your belongings and give the money to the poor. Provide for yourselves purses that don't wear out, and save your riches in heaven, where they will never decrease, because no thief can get to them, and no moth can destroy them. 34 For your heart will always be where your riches are.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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feedm3 said:
People on here who constantly say things like "now we can all see", "this shows everyone" "everyone sees your" etc.

Only shows what they are really concerned with, this is what people think rather than what is truth. They have their reward.


When this is said over and over it's like begging others to please agree with them, hoping saying that will catch their attention, and others will say "yea he's right", which never happens, so hearing it so much starts to sound silly.
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I rest my case (rolls eyes)

You people can;t respond because you have nothing to respond to, you can;t refute what was said, so you make an attack against someone or their character. this is what the pharisees did, And Christ rebuked them on it. You do not like to be rebuked, Stop doing it.
 
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cfultz3

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If someone belittles you, even mock you, what would Christ do?

Would He respond in like manner or turn the other cheek and say, 'Here, you forget this side'?

Look past the slaps and give that person hope, give them a taste of the same love by which God loves you. Esteem them as God esteem you.

Love conquers all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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cfultz3 said:
If someone belittles you, even mock you, what would Christ do?

Would He respond in like manner or turn the other cheek and say, 'Here, you forget this side'?

Look past the slaps and give that person hope, give them a taste of the same love by which God loves you. Esteem them as God esteem you.

Love conquers all.
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I am trying to figure out why you still have not answered my post? But thats fine. You don;t have to. I already know the answer.
 
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cfultz3

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eternally-gratefull said:
I am trying to figure out why you still have not answered my post? But thats fine. You don;t have to. I already know the answer.
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May I ask why you asked the post if you know the answer? But, if this is your way of asking me to answer the post, sure I will. Will you point me to the correct post please?
 
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cfultz3

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If you wish to ask me a serious of questions, I am willing to answer them as I did with Rick
 
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cfultz3

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EG,

It would not at all matter what I would say, it would turn into a bitter debate with unneccessary words. But if you wish for me to answer that post, I will. But we both know it would not be fruitful.
 
RickShafer

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cfultz3 said:
If you wish to ask me a serious of questions, I am willing to answer them as I did with Rick
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Well, technically I remember posting like three or four times waiting for a response.
So after about a hour of waiting I logged off.
It's a shame too because I was just getting to the meat of the matter.
 
RickShafer

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If there is a wayto start it back up where we left off, which means reposting the last twehty or so posts between us from that thread,
I'd be glad to pick up where we left off.
But part of debate is putting forth ideas in logical order.
That's the area where it seems to me we run into difficulty.
 
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cfultz3

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RickShafer said:
Well, technically I remember posting like three or four times waiting for a response.
So after about a hour of waiting I logged off.
It's a shame too because I was just getting to the meat of the matter.
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But my friend, I told you I had to leave.
 
RickShafer

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But I thought you had returned, because you answered my long post after
you took your mom to the store(at least that was my impression).
That's one reason I made such a long post.
I guess you must have taken her after the long post.
It was an innocent misunderstanding then.
 
RickShafer

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I was also counseling someone through PM after I made the long post,(because I'd thought you'd already left); so
that probably added to us not being in sync.
 
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feedm3

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eternally-gratefull said:

I rest my case (rolls eyes)

You people can;t respond because you have nothing to respond to, you can;t refute what was said, so you make an attack against someone or their character. this is what the pharisees did, And Christ rebuked them on it. You do not like to be rebuked, Stop doing it.
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More like, "(rolls eyes, wipes tears, blows nose)" ......it will be okay, it's just a forum.
 
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cfultz3

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anyone know how to post multiquotes when you click on that icon?
 
RickShafer

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Now, how to pick up where we left off, that's the question.....
how do you repost twenty or so threads in order?
 
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