Acts 1:11; What Does this Passage Mean to You?

nathan3 · Jan 8, 2014

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Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 weather the "flesh" gos.

We have two different subjects here, the living and dead.

The living return to the Father in heaven( as written ) , but, the dead bodies, is what Ecclesiastes is about, returns to dust as the scripture stated before.

Its written to the flesh man, that walks under the sun. And how to get along in those bodies. Not the soul.

Remember its written God is not the God of the dead, but the living.

And certainly Christ did not die on the cross to bring us to a hole in the Ground, but He resurrected to bring us to God.

It's written here -
Luke 23:43

King James Version (KJV)

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Now what has Jesus said to this one ? Today! Not tomorrow, not 2,000 years from now, maybe. The Lord Jesus Christ, said Today.

Why resurrect you when He returns ?

Well unless your going to be alive during Christ's return, some will, still be living in their flesh and two, there is also the resurrection into eternal life that the soul must also put on, as Paul taught in 1 Cor 15:53 .

Did Christ stay in the tomb after He died ? No, He didn't he went to Paradise as He stated to the man : lets see what Peter said while He was there in Paradise :

1 Peter 3:18-19

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

(did it say that He might bring us to some restful sleep ? No Peter did not say that. He said that Christ might bring us to God. )

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

And here, these people are not asleep in some hole in the ground ( as the figure of speech sounds at its surface "sleep" )
But as scripture stated, they died "slept" and returned to God. Sleep is a simple euphemism.

It doesn't mean people literally are sleeping. What kind of Christianity would that be ? It would be something not in alinement with the Word.

(We shall not all sleep) translation ,shall not all die. But be changed . ( 1 cor 15: 51-52 ) [/size]

Karraster · Jan 8, 2014

Elizabeth619 said:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Kefa turned and saw the talmid Yeshua especially loved following behind, the one who had leaned against him at the supper and had asked, “Who is the one who is betraying you?” [SUP]21 [/SUP]On seeing him, Kefa said to Yeshua, “Lord, what about him?” [SUP]22 [/SUP]Yeshua said to him, “If I want him to stay on until I come, what is it to you? You, follow me!”
[h=2]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.[/h]

Mastersman · Jan 8, 2014

To me Acts 1:11 means we are not left in this messed up world without a ray of hope for the future. It is in a mess now but Praise God! He is returning just like He left and when He sets up His kingdom this old world will experience the only perfect reign it has had since Adam and Eve flubbed up. I am looking forward to living and reigning in that paradise under Jesus'
mighty reign.

peacefulbeliever · Jan 8, 2014

nathan3 said:

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In Ecclesiastes 9 - the difference between being alive and dead is presented. I did not deny that the flesh returns to dust and the spirit returns to God. My only question was: What exactly is our "spirit"? Is it our complete being - and if it is then why does Ecclesiastes say that "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten (the dead have no memory). Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. So - as a dead person - my love, hatred, envy, i.e. emotions are now perished - What exactly is "the spirit returns to God?"

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And I'm sure you know that that verse is questionable as to where the comma should be placed - Jesus said to him - Verily I say unto thee today, - that is when he was speaking to the malefactor - thou shalt be with me in paradise - and that was his promise to the malefactor. Jesus stayed in the ground for three days and three nights - How could the malefactor have gone to paradise with Jesus THAT DAY when Jesus didn't even go THAT DAY?[/SIZE]

If I am already raised with him - why would he NEED to resurrect me again? The way I see it this corruptible must put on incorruption before being resurrected to eternal life. I know that some will be alive when Christ returns.

Yep, Christ died for the unjust that he might bring us to God - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation to wit that God was in Christ, reconciliing the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation - Christ death and resurrection is what reconciled us back to God (brought us back to God) and created in us a new Spirit. I think some things are being mixed up here. . . .

Yep Jesus went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison - proclaimed the fact that God had raised him from the dead. "unto the spirits in prison" - this is referring to those angels that left their first estate in Gen. 6.

I know that sleep is a figure of speech meaning dead - but it is the figure that God used in scripture to describe death. - It is used as a descriptive term relating to death. We are dead until we are resurrected - i.e. we are asleep until we are resurrected - at that time we shall rise - ascend to be with Christ forever.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ will rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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nathan3 · Jan 8, 2014

Where the common should be placed ???? -_- Today is today. It dont mater where you place the comma, its still today. Just seems your trying to hold onto a tradition, even though scriptures themselves when properly read, show the tradition is not biblical . Soul sleep . Again we just read its not written.

Angels left their first estate ? No it dose not even mention the fallen angels there . But the people, from Noah time. The fallen angels are not going to be given salvation and preached to...

At this point, you have to muddy so much scripture to believe in that teaching of men, "soul sleep" etc, whatever, that it just amounts to really bad fruit . Poor old Minsters out there deceiving God's people.

4enlightment · Jan 8, 2014

The_highwayman said:

Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

God isn't coming as the way we think He's coming; He's coming unexpectedly while we are asleep, or you can say, when are true nature is unveil, so that He can make His judgment whether we deserve forgiveness, or not. Trying to make yourself self-righteous, you'll be putting on sheep's wool. Being righteous must come from the heart, and if a person is not a caring soul, cannot love no one, because Christ isn't in them. So people are waiting for Judgment Day, so when God comes to destroy the wicked, are basically condemning themselves because they has hatred in their hearts, and which God isn't going to show them any mercy. That is when he is going to come, when we are at our worst, like time of the flood. the people were at their worst, not expecting Him to come.

peacefulbeliever · Jan 8, 2014

nathan3 said:

Yep today means today - Today you will be with me in paradise. Did Jesus go to paradise right then or did he not stay in the ground three days and three nights?

Right in the reference column to this verse is Genesis 6.

I'm sorry that you see me as having muddied scripture. I quoted the scriptures just as they are written in my response to you, just my understanding is different than yours.

It is really sad when brothers and sisters in Christ are having a discussion and then it turns defensive and ridiculing because of the way in which one reads the scripture.

nathan3 · Jan 8, 2014

peacefulbeliever said:

Im not ridiculing you, im just being honest and putting aside the formality . For example its not written He stood in the ground, but he went to the places recorded .I documented that, i just didn't make it up.

I didn't say you were doing it intentionally, but " one, would have to" in order to make soul sleep work. Because a lot , not a little, scriptures would have to be ignored, or muddied on technicalities. And often, as we saw in order for it to fit into scripture.

Hamster · Jan 9, 2014

Clearly the point of comparison in this passage is between the manner of His going and the manner of His coming again. Christ is surly coming again the second time. 1 Thessalonians 1:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Hamster · Jan 10, 2014

Hamster said:

Acts 1:11 Christ is not coming back to earth! Christ came from heaven, his body didn't see corruption after he died. However his body had to be "changed" from corruptible to incorruptible! He took on flesh and infirmities like his brethren when he was born of Mary, so he could die, for the sins of the whole world. That is why he didn't appear to all the people when he raised from the dead, he appeared only to his own.

john832 · Jan 10, 2014

nathan3 said:

Where the common should be placed ???? -_- Today is today. It dont mater where you place the comma, its still today. Just seems your trying to hold onto a tradition, even though scriptures themselves when properly read, show the tradition is not biblical . Soul sleep . Again we just read its not written.

Angels left their first estate ? No it dose not even mention the fallen angels there . But the people, from Noah time. The fallen angels are not going to be given salvation and preached to...

At this point, you have to muddy so much scripture to believe in that teaching of men, "soul sleep" etc, whatever, that it just amounts to really bad fruit . Poor old Minsters out there deceiving God's people.

What is that up in the road ahead?

What is that up in the road, ahead?

Sure it don't matter?

homwardbound · Jan 10, 2014

Elizabeth619 said:

Everything to the ascension is and was for the disciples, and to wait on high for the power of God to come and do the saving through them. Yet do not be concerned with when Father calls it all in and Judgment day begins. In the meantime pray and wait.
So they did and Pentecost came, and the power of God used the disciples at their willingness as vessels, to preach truth through them and many that day were saved.
This has past onto all men that believe and God has accepted, to have God's work, not their work permeate through them.
Without the sending of the Holy Spirit of God to not only live in us, yet through us, truth in it's wholesome is not spoken and life is not given, at best not usually seen by the believer
But Father is Faithful to carry on the work Father began in you at when first believed, Father sealed you Eph. 1:13

majorjones · Jan 10, 2014

It's clear as day...It's a picture of the 2nd coming of Jesus, when He returns with all of His saints at the end of the 7 year tribulation period to set up His millennial kingdom on earth...

2Thewaters · Jan 10, 2014

When we study the Bible, it does not matter what a passage means to us
We are the created being, God is the creator. His mind is far above our mind and we go to the Bible to have our minds CHAGED and RECREATED, this is called SALVATION and REDEMPTION

God takes our introverted selfish focus and expands it so we can be beings of the universe in heaven like God in giving love to others..
God never did anything for himself though he could have, he didnt even make bread out of rocks when he was sstarving to death.
so we shouldnt either

when ther is a passage, and we read it, what it means to us at first is usually WRONG

so what we need to do is pray,
Lord show me FROM YOUR WORD what this passage means... and then CHANGE MY DOCTRINES THAT ARE WRONG and give me new wine, new doctrine to fit that new meaning you want me to learn.

and he will send you the holy spirit to bring other verses to mind like it that will explain it.

Nver ever ever look it up in a Bible commentary. Those people have gone to school for YEARS to twist the meaning of every scripture to make it fit their church... why listen oto a man?
Listen to God..
David says,

Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

right?

read it again

Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.

right?
Do you agree?
If you agree with what the Bible says instead of what the teachers say
then you are righteous like Abraham
Abrahams family all said, Abraham dont go crzay dont take this religious thing too far!
and Abraham said, I will follow God not you
And God counted his works RIGHT (righteous.)

if you disagree with the word of God you are self righteous and will go into much pain and suffering on this point.

2Thewaters · Jan 10, 2014

So let us see what GOD (not me, I have no clue) says
what does God say?

at this point I don't even know what acts 1:11 says, let me get it.

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus,
which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1056. Galilaia, gal-il-ah'-yah; of Heb. or. [H1551]; Galilaea (i.e. the heathen circle), a region of Pal.:--Galilee.

So:
Ye men of the heathen circle, (whom Jesus died for and loves)
why stand ye....

Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard;

GET MOVING! tell the world! GEt on the ball!

gazing up into heaven? (into the SKY)

this same physical Jesus with scars in his hand and face and side

shall so come in like manner

5158. tropos, trop'-os; from the same as G5157; a turn, i.e. (by impl.) mode or style , deportment, character: [+ like] manner , means, way.

This same character person will come in this style this way again
down from heaven in clouds

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him (they are down HERE not in HELL mind you the ones who ierced him will be down HERE weeing him come they are not in hell yet get it?: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Any way

physical Jesus is going to return looking the same being the same acting the same and coming the same
that is what the Bible says,

so it doesnt matter what you think.
or what I think
that belief is righteousness
the righteousness and belief of Abraham.

2Thewaters · Jan 10, 2014

1 Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (notice the dead are NOT in hell, they are in grave)

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When Jesus comes he will NOT BE ON THE GROUND
he stays in the cloud and takes us with him FOREVER

Thats what the Bible says

any other doctrine, rapture, whatever
ignore it, because that is another gospel.

2Thewaters · Jan 10, 2014

Here is a nice poem that helps us inderstand

Jesus, please create me anew,
I can do nothing your new creation to pursue,
Desperately wicked is my heart!
Abide in me, Jesus, and never depart!

Leave doctrines at the Door, and let Jesus the word of God come in.

majorjones · Jan 10, 2014

2Thewaters...

Will you shut up until you've been a "christian" for more than half a second before you start INDOCTRINATING EVERYONE with all of your fictional wisdom??? GEESH!!!!!

majorjones · Jan 10, 2014

To those of you too spiritually dead to know there IS a rapture, and to spiritually blind to recognize the "last days" when the entire world is in utter darkness and nearing complete collapse, while the "true" Church dwindles to practically nothing, then I say bye bye and good luck with the hell on earth you're all about to enter and most likely perish in...and good riddance...you were warned...

nathan3 · Jan 10, 2014

They are not going to hell, a bit premature to judge people to hell , when God's going to do that at the end, of the Lords Day .

People that don't believe in rapture, are on the Right path.

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