Alcohol

[Magenta]

How the heck did you guys go from talking about alcohol to Canadians? Wait a minute, I know.... the hardest I have ever laughed in my life was this time I was drinking alcohol with some Canadians when I was fishing at The Lake of the Woods. Lol

Reminds me of Bob and Doug McKenzie

[video=youtube;04u58ifxmRA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04u58ifxmRA[/video]

 

[Magenta]

I think its the frozen brain, alcohol and smokes combo. Lol. Hey....gimme a smoke. You know how that sounded when I said it. Lol

There is some interesting footage on this, though the audio sync is off.

[video=youtube;jO75Wrf-Phg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO75Wrf-Phg[/video]

 

[Sirk]

Love that show. Love that Geddy Lee wrote the theme song. I love Canadians.

 

[LaurenTM]

Love FL,vacationed in Destin this year. My husband had never been. I told him he had to go. Now he wants to move there.lol Maybe retire there. I like my home too much to move now. I kind of had my limit of snow. I traveled in ministry 20yrs in a motorhome and saw lots and lots of snow! I prefer the warmer temps. But I do love the ocean and miss it.

a Southern gentleman and never been to FL and good ole Cannuck lady had to drag him there?

Florida does have its charms....started going there as a young teenager...grandparents always had a condo down there

we are in central FL though...where all the moo cows and horses are...

I love the old towns there...old Florida...also really like St Augustine, Sanibel...all that good stuff...Sanibel is a day trip though...we are not that rich haha

yes...I remember you traveled with your sister...singing

I do still love snow though...I (strange I know) like the isolation of it...the silence and the woods...I would love to go to the Arctic Circle and hang out with scientists that stay through the winter..I think I must have explorer genes or something

my husband shudders at the cold...well he's from Florida

 

[LaurenTM]

Love that show. Love that Geddy Lee wrote the theme song. I love Canadians.

well hey...got a nice home in the country with 7 acres going to be going up for sale

new roof...floors....freshly painted...with a big barn

for you...only 399,000.00 (jking...ain't worth half that)

for anyone else, we are negotiable

 

[Sirk]

well hey...got a nice home in the country with 7 acres going to be going up for sale

new roof...floors....freshly painted...with a big barn

for you...only 399,000.00 (jking...ain't worth half that)

for anyone else, we are negotiable

My passport has expired. Lol

 

[Magenta]

Love that show. Love that Geddy Lee wrote the theme song. I love Canadians.

[video=youtube;8Jm4LoOaAWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jm4LoOaAWI[/video]

 

[LaurenTM]

My passport has expired. Lol

uh oh

you aint' going nowhere buddy...not even Mexico

 

[Stephen63]

We learn from the Bible that it is okay to drink a little alcohol, but not okay to drink a lot. Where do you draw the line?

Poor Op, his thread's been hijacked

 

[eph610]

Quote "If you have never drank to escape the pain of life, you have no business preaching to people you know what they are going through....and then condemning them for it"


So you have to sin to preach the Gospel to another person? I hope that is not what you are saying. I was in ministry for 20yrs and I didn't experience every situation,every sin,every sorrow the people I was ministering to went through, did that make me unfit to minister to them? No,not at all. And for my own comments I was condemning no one, that seems to be a PC thing these days. If you say anything is sin, you are judging/condemning. That is nonsense. We are all level at the foot of the cross. We are all sinners saved by grace.

As far as the pain of life I am well acquainted with it. And I saw my uncle choose alcohol over his wife and children and his entire family. I believe he came to the Lord on his deathbed but oh what a life he could have had had he let go of the bottle.Jesus comes to give life more abundantly. But those outside the church are not what the OP was speaking of. They were talking about Christians,not the unsaved.

No Kayla, I was not saying that, let me clarify....We have far too many pastors that pridefully tell their congregations, they have never drank and been saved all their life. Then tell people addicted to alcohol they can empathize with their condition and then preach to them the truth in love, that drinking is sin and you better stop right now. When the addicted cannot make the change they are then written off as living in SIN and really do not want to change and until they stop drinking they are not engaged any further. In that way, that Pastor cannot and will not ever reach that person. Preaching against drinking or against SIN is not preaching the Gospel.

Yes, I was once a sinner, but then I was saved by grace.....

We disagree on the gospel message and it's fine...you think preaching against SIN and not breaking the rules of religion to the unbeliever is preaching the Gospel and it is no such thing.

 

[eph610]

My point was if you never take the first drink you dont go down the path of alcoholism. The first drink is what begins the process. My mother is a nurse so thats her narrow minded opinion. I'll inform her of how stupid she is." I see nothing positive that alcohol can bring to a persons life but a whole lot of damage. I dont see the point in drinking.

thank you for the clarification

 

[Magenta]

Poor Op, his thread's been hijacked

 

[Stephen63]

Pardon me if I sound like a wet blanket, but I don't understand how such a serious subject could just be laughed off with so much jesting, which is neither fitting or proper.

 

[Magenta]

Hello my brother Hmmm, well, I guess I have not paid much attention to some of the things that others are finding so contentious, though I did notice one person in particular seeming to go out of their way repeatedly to be so. Or maybe it is just their way. Anyways, I would like to say that I have advocated freedom of choice in my posts. I even stated in one post that in AA, if people are unsure about whether or not they are an alcoholic, they are encouraged to go and find out if they are powerless over alcohol or not. There is quite a stigmatism attached to admissions of powerlessness over substances and/or behaviours, and nobody really wants to say they are an alcoholic or an addict, at least at first. There are those who do not have a problem with alcohol, and this too I have multiple times acknowledged

However, many are saying all things in moderation, when moderation is not always possible or called for for all. When alcohol has been the cause of much offense in a person's life, it is quite Biblical to "cut it off," and to do so completely. So yes we become a new person in Christ, free of the chains that bound us, but this does not mean that everyone is then automatically free to drink as others do or can.

In my life, my desire for sobriety is a requirement for membership in AA and NA. It is true I could still go to meetings and I could still carry a message even without multiple years of clean time, but the clean time also speaks for itself. Many are those who come to the rooms of NA especially, and say they could not believe that anyone could stay clean for any significant amount of time. Sometimes even thirty days to such people seems a significant amount of time. Being able to show people that the program works is important in giving them hope to believe that it can also work for them. Remember, this program of which I speak has at its core the development and maintenance of an ongoing personal relationship with God.

While for some here they believe it is okay for them to drink, since they have never had any significant problem with substance abuse, that is all well and good for them. For others, drinking and behaviors that came out while under the influence were an ongoing offense that was eventually cut off. I give glory to God in acknowledging His hand in my sobriety. I carry that message via my experience, strength, and hope, into the rooms where people are looking for help from substance abuse.

In fact, my desire to stay clean and sober is the only requirement for my membership, as per the third tradition in either fellowship. Because I am a long term member, my testimony does carry more weight if I am clean and sober. In other words, not just talking the talk, but walking the walk. Notice that it does say the desire to stop. One can call themself a member without actually giving up anything. In fact, I did go to meetings for years without giving up my substances. I went to listen to people talking about life on life's terms. I went to hear the truth about the human condition, so I could start coming to grips with it. And then at some point, I was given the gift of desperation, not around the substances so much, but other things that were causing me pain and suffering, and I finally became willing. Of course it was all related

The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.

“The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using.” (NA)

 

[eph610]

If you look around the world, you'll see more than 140 million orphans, many of which are the result of alcoholism. We have ministries in Russia, 70% of men are alcoholics,broken homes and fatherless children everywhere, and the same goes for much of Europe and India and places like that.

In America, the Black and Native communities are the same way. Men who don't work and the Fatherless are scattered all over. Women who don't know or do anything remotely close to descent mothering or being a respectable wife. I used to teach the bible on the reservation. It's heart wrenching to listen to their stories. I was formerly a chaplain in the jail for two years, same thing. I had my own marriage destroyed by that stuff. My children are virtually motherless.

Jesus said, a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. The fruit on this tree is bad, you cannot show any good, except some fleshly opinions that have no scriptural root without commentaries.

You and Kayla give the perception that you want the sinner cleaned up before coming to Jesus...that's not the way the true gospel works.

 

[eph610]

I have to agree with lv2ski.....With sin ever increasing, today we have gamer addicts that can't lay the controller down. That's bad.

EVEN IF it wasn't a problem in Bible days, it sure is now. Again, we need to look at other scriptures & other sins that promote these problems.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, [SUP]4 [/SUP]treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, [SUP]5 [/SUP]holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Since these sins run rampant today, we have to be more careful what we expose ourselves to.

Without self-control..... not just lacking it. With all the addictions ever increasing, the church has to be more vigilant to flee from sin. It seems today we're all having to run like Joseph did. How can we have enough self-confidence to think we can handle it?
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 6:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
[HR][/HR]1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.

[HR][/HR]

You, lv2ski and Kayla miss this in spades, where SIN abounds, grace did much more abound...stop trying to clean the fish before you take them out of the water...

 

[Sirk]

Pardon me if I sound like a wet blanket, but I don't understand how such a serious subject could just be laughed off with so much jesting, which is neither fitting or proper.

i am probably going to have a beer tonight. Maybe two. Wanna join me?

 

[eph610]

Quote "I very clearly said I would NEVER drink an alcoholic anything in front of someone who disapproves."

In my second post I said what if someone had that issue and you did not know it you could be a stumbling block. I didnt mean you would do so on purpose.

Before I go further let me say that we disagree but its not a personal thing. Im not saying Im a better person and it seems if I disagree with people they become my CC enemies. We're just discussing and having differences of opinion.

Now,you have misunderstood what I was saying. I did not say everyone who takes a drink becomes an alcoholic, or is one. Did not say that. I said if you never take a drink or alcohol you dont have to worry if you are predispositioned to be an alcoholic. I have no say in what is up or down, I only read the Bible and that tells us how to live. And yes the Bible does warn of the dangers of alcohol. Is there a difference in being drunk and being buzzed? I think the Bible warns either is wrong. Perhaps you know your limit,not all do.

Yes,my church was Pentecostal,not where I attend now, and it was Assemblies of God not Holiness Pentecostal if that was what you were thinking. People destroy homes yes, but we cant deny that alcohol itself has destroyed many homes also.{again Im not saying anyone who has a drink is an alcoholic} From the Huffington Post:


1. 88,000 deaths are annually attributed to excessive alcohol use. (CDC)

2. Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. (CDC)

3. Long-term alcohol use can cause serious health complications affecting every organ in your body, including your brain. Additionally, it can damage your emotional stability, finances, career, impact your family, friends and the people you work with. (NCAAD)

4. Women who binge drink are more likely to have unprotected sex and multiple sex partners. These activities increase the risks of unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. (CDC)

5. 100,000 persons die each year from alcohol-related causes: drinking and driving crashes, other accidents, falls, fires, alcohol-related homicides and suicides. (NCAAD)

6. Excessive alcohol consumption increases aggression and, as a result, can increase the risk of physically assaulting another person. (CDC)

7. Of the 3.9 million Americans who received treatment for a substance abuse problem in 2005, 2.5 million of them were treated for alcohol use. (Drug Free World)

8. Approximately 17 percent of men and 8 percent of women will be dependent on alcohol in their lifetime. (NIAAA)

9. Because of the astounding 80,000 deaths that are related to alcohol abuse every year, alcohol abuse is the third highest cause of death in the U.S. (CDC)

10. 696,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are assaulted by another student who has been drinking. (NIAAA)

11. Approximately 7,000 children in the U.S. under the age of 16 take their first drink every day, which is a major problem because those who begin drinking before age 15 are four times more likely to develop alcoholism than those who begin at age 21. (Rehabs.com)

12. Excessive alcohol consumption cost the United States $223.5 billion in 2006. This amounts to about $1.90 per drink, or about $746 per person. (CDC)

13. Alcoholism includes the following four symptoms: craving, loss of control, physical dependence, and tolerance. (NCADD)

14. Teen alcohol use kills 4,700 people each year — that’s more than all illegal drugs combined. (MADD)

15. 5.3 million adults −- 36 percent of those under correctional supervision at the time -− were drinking at the time of their conviction offense. (NCADD)

Why would you use information from a known organization that are ran by secular humanist Atheists, promotes the LBGT agenda and applauds when foreign Christians are executed and seeks to destroy Evangelical Christian Values??


Your practice certainly does not measure your preach....

 

[kaylagrl]

a Southern gentleman and never been to FL and good ole Cannuck lady had to drag him there?

Florida does have its charms....started going there as a young teenager...grandparents always had a condo down there

we are in central FL though...where all the moo cows and horses are...

I love the old towns there...old Florida...also really like St Augustine, Sanibel...all that good stuff...Sanibel is a day trip though...we are not that rich haha

yes...I remember you traveled with your sister...singing

I do still love snow though...I (strange I know) like the isolation of it...the silence and the woods...I would love to go to the Arctic Circle and hang out with scientists that stay through the winter..I think I must have explorer genes or something

my husband shudders at the cold...well he's from Florida

Yes,I know and then he wanted to stay! lol My travels took me lots of places but didn't get past the panhandle in FL. I loved Savannah, Georgia also. We had a funny incident when we went to Pensacola to visit the lighthouse. We didn't realize it was on the base so were rather alarmed to see armed guards greet us at the entrance. We were thinking "whats so special about a lighthouse?" lol The guard was pretty serious but I almost laughed out in his face when he asked if my dog was a service dog. I mean you can see in my avatar how small she is. lol And she has a habit when she gets excited to run in circles,so it stuck me funny. I was this close to going to lighthouse jail. We made it there eventually and my brave husband went all the way to the top to look out and I chickened out pretty close to the bottom. It didn't help that I was wearing a skirt and didn't want to give the folk below me a good laugh.

I like snow for Christmas and them Im done. My husband thinks he'd like the snow so I told him Id drop him off in Nova Scotia in February and he can tell me what he thinks about it then.lol The older I get the less I like snow and shoveling it.

 

[kaylagrl]

Why would you use information from a known organization that are ran by secular humanist Atheists, promotes the LBGT agenda and applauds when foreign Christians are executed and seeks to destroy Evangelical Christian Values??


Your practice certainly does not measure your preach....

Using facts they have on alcohol doesn't mean I agree with Huff Post or what they stand for. So slow down with the accusations. I traveled in ministry 20yrs, dont tell me I dont practice what I preach,you don't know me.