All the evidence you will ever need to trash the false pre-trib rapture

[popeye]

Originally Posted by popeye

Challenge to postribs;
Please interpret the 10 virgin parable for us.
Should be easy as it is painfully simple.
I can get you started
Groom= Jesus
Virgin= Born again saints
Oil= type of the HS
Foolish=No oil reserve

Ok,with this help,what is Jesus talking about?
Now remember,
this is Jesus coming for his bride......or
"the gathering"

Ok,what we need from the postrib adherants is to interpret the parable. (the coming of the groom for his bride)

There is no tribulation in the parable
There is no need to add special postrib helps.
Just interpret the parable and show us how you see it "relating" to postrib w/o twisting the basic,simple story.
I mean,it does not relate in any way,but show us how you want it to relate.

 

[ChristIsGod]

I guess I have to inform you there is no "brightness of his coming" in the parable.
It simply is not there.
But yes,when he comes with his saints,that is where you will see that dimension.

Exactly! If you read my initial post on these 10 virgins - you will see that is why they need lamps for there is a "darkness". That does not necessarily mean that He's coming at night --- He's only coming as a thief in the night to those who are not awake, sober, watching, prepared. The parables don't contradict each other. The days before His coming will also be surrounded with darkness as this world waxes worse. That's in the Olivet discourse and 2Tim3, etc..

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

 

[ChristIsGod]

Uh,you place the "going out to meet him" at a time when there are no christians on the planet left alive.
You also ADD the gt into the parable.
There is no tribulation in the parable.

I thought you guys always said "if we are wrong,no big deal"? Well,according to your theory you have 50% of the christian population raptured ,and 50% left behind at the end of the GT. This would mean that the unprepared made it to the end of the gt?

Postrib is now chasing it's tail.

There will obviously be Christians left at His Coming.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


there's more on this link -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58527-when-does-rapture-occur-59.html#post1814971


Have to get some shut eye now.
Lord Bless!

 

[Jason0047]

One has to understand the different steps in marriage within Scripture in order to comprehend what is going on.

The first Rapture is the call unto marriage.

"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." (Matthew 25:10). This was at a time of hour that they did not know when the Son of man comes (Matthew 25:13).

The second Rapture is when the Lord will return from the wedding so as to let those in in who knock afterwards.

"And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately." (Luke 12:36).

What exactly is the Lord letting them in for? For the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Oh, and no; It is not a meal up in Heaven.

The Marriage Supper is symbolic just as the Marriage is symbolic.

 

[Jason0047]

The Marriage Supper is symbolic just as the Marriage is symbolic.

Certain Saints in Heaven Are Made Ready For The Marriage Supper of The Lamb:

• Revelation 19:6-8 HCS and Revelation 19:9 NIV

Then I heard something like the voice of a vast multitude, like the sound of cascading waters, and like the rumbling of loud thunder, saying:

"Hallelujah, because our Lord God, the Almighty, has begun to reign! Let us be glad, rejoice, and give Him glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has prepared herself. She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints."

Then the angel said to me,

“Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’”

​

The Lord Gathers His Elect For the Upcoming Battle:
(The Call to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb):
(The 2nd Rapture or Translation of the Saints):
(And The End of the Surviving Tribulation Saint's 1,335 Day of Testing):

• Luke 12:36

And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

​

Daniel 12:12 ISV and Daniel 12:12 NIV

Blessed is the one who perseveres...and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

​

• Revelation 14:16

And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

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• Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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• Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

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• Luke 17:34-37

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

And they answered and said unto him,

"Where, Lord?"

And he said unto them,

"Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

​

• Matthew 24:28

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

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• Revelation 19:17-18 and Revelation 19:14

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying

"To all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

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• Jude 1:14

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

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• Isaiah 31:4 NLT

The LORD of Heaven’s Armies will come down

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• Isaiah 26:21b NLT

The earth will no longer hide those who have been killed. They will be brought out for all to see.



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[PlainWord]

You say Don't try to force the Word to fit your belief and desire. i 100% agree with that statement. My question though is, Aren't you doing exactly that when you teach about "Satan's Great Tribulation"?

Absolutely not!!! It is Satan's Tribulation. It was NEVER God's Tribulation. Tribulation is always about the wicked persecuting and killing believers. I suggest you study the use of the word in the Bible. The word, "Tribulation(s)" appears 30 times in the NKJV. 29 of those times it deals with the faithful being persecuted.

Nowhere in all of Scriptures does it talk about, refer too, or even imply that there is a period of Satan's Great Tribulation.

Again, you are wrong. Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about God's Great Tribulation. The Bible discusses God's Wrath and the Bible discusses Satan's Great Wrath. One of them is the Great Tribulation, one of them comes after. Which wrath comes first??? Is Satan retaliating against God's wrath or is God retaliating against Satan's wrath??? It can't be Satan retaliating because he is chained after the Tribulation.

Here is Satan's Wrath. Notice the devil's wrath is called "GREAT" just as the Tribulation is called GREAT???

12 ...Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."

Notice that when Satan is cast out he begins persecuting the WOMAN (ISRAEL)??? Who persecutes Israel?? Islamic Extremists perhaps. What's the world's biggest false religion?

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.

But the WOMAN is kept safe so what does Satan do next?

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Who do you suppose the Woman's offspring are in the above? I'll give you a hint, Jews don't have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Paul tells us of the persecutions and tribulations that we endure. 1 Thes 4:

4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure...

No wonder you believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture when you think the Tribulation is of God and not Satan. Good Grief!! Do you think God has to stop His own Tribulation in order to save the ELECT or does He have to stop Satan's Islamic Beast Kingdom?

Mat 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

Daniel 7 Agrees!!

21 I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came...

If you understand prophesy you know just who this horn was, is and will be.

satans wrath started when he was kicked out of Heaven, there is nothing in Scriptures which teach there will be a time during his wrath that would be considered Great.

Again, here's the passage that specifically calls Satan's wrath GREAT. Unless you think the Devil and Satan are different entities???

...For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."

When do you think the Devil was cast down at the Garden of Eden, LOL??? ISRAEL did not even exist until Abraham which was 400 years after the Flood so obviously Satan could not be making war against the WOMAN before the WOMAN existed. Israel ceased being a nation in AD 70. Notice that Satan has but a short time. Is 2,000 years short?

Now there is a time of the antichrist, and a time of the Beast, and a time of the mark of the Beast. Which all takes place because God allows it too, during His 7 year Tribulation period.

God allows everything. But to suggest God is behind the AntiChrist is... well I don't want to use the word, INSANE... God is not behind the 7th Beast Kingdom, He is not behind the AntiChrist, He is not responsible for the Mark of the Beast and He is not responsible for the Great Tribulation. God is not responsible for sin which all of the above is. The Beast Kingdom is ISLAMIC. The Tribulation happens at the 4th Seal and this is the ISLAMIC BEAST EMPIRE that Daniel and John saw that will take peace from the earth. They hate Jews and Christians alike. Just look around you. They were responsible for 911 and most of the terrorism in the world. Do you see acts of terror being from God too?

Is God behind ISIS??? You really need to rethink your position because you are 180 degrees off.

 

[Elin]

A metaphor is a comparison of one thing with another (two things) suggesting a likeness between them.

There are no metaphors in the NT usage of "cloud" in the following Scriptures because
no comparisons of two things are found in them:

on the mount of transfiguration (Mt 17:5),
which covered Israel in the Red Sea (1Co 10:1-2),
seen in the apocalyptic visions (Rev 1:7, 10:1, 11:12, 14:14, 15, 16),
in connection with the rapture (1Th 4:17),
Christ's second coming (Mt 24:30, 26:64), or
at the ascension (Ac 1:9).

That "cloud" in the above Scriptures is a metaphor for "crowds" has no Biblical basis
because no comparison of two things is made in any of them.
It is merely an assumption without either grammatical or Biblical warrant.

The "clouds" of 1Th 4:17 are actual masses of vapor in the sky, and not "crowds" of people,
as clouds are crowds in the actual metaphors of Heb 12:1 and 2Pe 2:17, where we do find
comparisons of one thing to another (two things) suggesting a likeness between the two things.

 

[Elin]

The parable of the ten virgins is the second in a trilogy of teachings
on professors of faith vs. possessors of faith (Lk 8:13),
which difference is revealed at the end of time,
keeping in mind that the rapture ("gathering") is at the end of time and final judgment, as shown here.
1) Faithful, wise servant vs. hypocrite, wicked servant - no faithfulness and watchfulness (Mt 24:45-51; see Lk 12:35-40),

2) wise vs. foolish virgins - no Holy Spirit (Mt 25:1-30), and

3) the sheep vs. the goats - no obedience (Mt 25:31-46).

Ok,what we need from the postrib adherants is to interpret the parable. (the coming of the groom for his bride)

There is no tribulation in the parable
There is no need to add special postrib helps.
Just interpret the parable and show us how you see it "relating" to postrib w/o twisting the basic,simple story.
I mean,it does not relate in any way,but show us how you want it to relate.

Did you miss my post #330 above?

The parable does not relate to the rapture,
it relates to true faith v. counterfeit faith revealed at the final judgment.

 

[GaryA]

Very Neat Charts, Brother! Good work! Makes me smile, actually. I had posted on another thread that the only way to see if the Seals, Trumpets and Vials over-lap is to write out what happens on three separate pieces of paper -- the Seals on one, the Trumpets on the 2nd and the Vials on the 3rd and see if any line up perfectly --- they don't but I sure as life wouldn't know how to make Charts like you have. Very Neat! All three took a lot of work! I won't ask how you did that because I know I couldn't begin to learn, even if we turned the clock back 10 yrs.

Thank you for sharing that - makes a Great Signature! Praise The LORD!!!

You are very welcome... I am glad you found them useful.

Yes, a good bit of effort has gone into them; however, I believe that it was definitely worth it.

 

[popeye]

Exactly! If you read my initial post on these 10 virgins - you will see that is why they need lamps for there is a "darkness". That does not necessarily mean that He's coming at night --- He's only coming as a thief in the night to those who are not awake, sober, watching, prepared. The parables don't contradict each other. The days before His coming will also be surrounded with darkness as this world waxes worse. That's in the Olivet discourse and 2Tim3, etc..

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

The days before His coming will also be surrounded with darkness as this world waxes worse. That's in the Olivet discourse and 2Tim3, etc..

And yet,in the parable we see the exact opposite,as according to postribs there is a "brightness"! (of course the 2 comings thinggy is being "debunked"....NOT)
When Jesus came for them they needed lamps as exhibited by the foolish virgin's "lights" going out and such was portrayed as the very thing making them foolish.
So,which is it? Where is the need for lamps in brightness!!!!

Next non point please

 

[popeye]

Did you miss my post #330 above?

The parable does not relate to the rapture,
it relates to true faith v. counterfeit faith revealed at the final judgment.

Now who in the world would associate a gathering with a gathering?
How silly of us

 

[popeye]

One has to understand the different steps in marriage within Scripture in order to comprehend what is going on.

The first Rapture is the call unto marriage.

"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." (Matthew 25:10). This was at a time of hour that they did not know when the Son of man comes (Matthew 25:13).

The second Rapture is when the Lord will return from the wedding so as to let those in in who knock afterwards.

"And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately." (Luke 12:36).

What exactly is the Lord letting them in for? For the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Oh, and no; It is not a meal up in Heaven.

The Marriage Supper is symbolic just as the Marriage is symbolic.

What exactly is the Lord letting them in for? For the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Oh, and no; It is not a meal up in Heaven.

As in the "last supper" the jewish wedding betrothal is similar. The bride's house,seated at her table she is 'purchased" and both partake of the ceremonial Wine cup.(she must likewise drink,for if she refuses it means she disapproves of the groom)
The groom then departs back to his fathers house for a designated time. They are basically considered betrothed at that initial covenant meeting/meal.

Postrib ignores this concept completely.

 

[popeye]

There will obviously be Christians left at His Coming.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


there's more on this link -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58527-when-does-rapture-occur-59.html#post1814971


Have to get some shut eye now.
Lord Bless!

There will obviously be Christians left at His Coming.

Sure will at the rapture.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

The left behind dimension would be rediculous at the end of the GT,as there are no christians alive on the planet by the end of the gt

 

[popeye]

There will obviously be Christians left at His Coming.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


there's more on this link -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58527-when-does-rapture-occur-59.html#post1814971


Have to get some shut eye now.
Lord Bless!

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yes,I do agree with you that the saints are in heaven during the gt.....thanks for pointing that out.

 

[popeye]

Wow,we have recently learned that postribs face a brand new hurtle.
Why is there one coming with "brightness" and another without "brightness"???

 

[GaryA]

Ok,what we need from the postrib adherants is to interpret the parable. (the coming of the groom for his bride)

There is no tribulation in the parable
There is no need to add special postrib helps.
Just interpret the parable and show us how you see it "relating" to postrib w/o twisting the basic,simple story.
I mean,it does not relate in any way,but show us how you want it to relate.

If the parable does not relate to the Great Tribulation with regard to 'post-trib', then neither does it relate to the Great Tribulation with regard to 'pre-trib' -- for, it has nothing [ directly ] to do with the tribulation at all.

If there is no tribulation in the parable, then:

~ there is no 'pre-trib' in the parable...
~ there is no 'mid-trib' in the parable...
~ there is no 'post-trib' in the parable...

"You can't have your cake and eat it too."

If there is no tribulation in the parable, then you cannot say that the parable "promotes" the 'pre-trib' view.

If you say that there is a 'pre-trib' concept present in the parable, then do not say that there is no tribulation in the parable.

As in the "last supper" the jewish wedding betrothal is similar. The bride's house,seated at her table she is 'purchased" and both partake of the ceremonial Wine cup.(she must likewise drink,for if she refuses it means she disapproves of the groom)
The groom then departs back to his fathers house for a designated time. They are basically considered betrothed at that initial covenant meeting/meal.

Postrib ignores this concept completely.

The 'covenant' part of it has already occurred. The Bride awaits for the return of the Groom - one time - for the wedding.

The Groom does not take the Bride back to his father's house before the wedding. After the Groom returns, he does not leave again.

~ The 'betrothal' has already occurred.
~ Jesus has gone away to prepare for the Bride.
~ Jesus will come back for His Bride.

When Jesus returns - He is here to stay.

The wedding takes place at the Second Coming of Christ.

Now -- when is the Second Coming of Christ...?

 

[PlainWord]

A metaphor is a comparison of one thing with another (two things) suggesting a likeness between them.

There are no metaphors in the NT usage of "cloud" in the following Scriptures because
no comparisons of two things are found in them:

on the mount of transfiguration (Mt 17:5),
which covered Israel in the Red Sea (1Co 10:1-2),
seen in the apocalyptic visions (Rev 1:7, 10:1, 11:12, 14:14, 15, 16),
in connection with the rapture (1Th 4:17),
Christ's second coming (Mt 24:30, 26:64), or
at the ascension (Ac 1:9).

That "cloud" in the above Scriptures is a metaphor for "crowds" has no Biblical basis
because no comparison of two things is made in any of them.
It is merely an assumption without either grammatical or Biblical warrant.

The "clouds" of 1Th 4:17 are actual masses of vapor in the sky, and not "crowds" of people,
as clouds are crowds in the actual metaphors of Heb 12:1 and 2Pe 2:17, where we do find
comparisons of one thing to another (two things) suggesting a likeness between the two things.

[h=1]metaphor[/h]

[met-uh-fawr, -fer]

• Examples
• Word Origin

noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”. Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def 1).


2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

In this case "CLOUD" represents "ANGELS dressed in white"

However, perhaps a SIMILE is the better choice here.

[h=1]simile[/h]

[sim-uh-lee]

• Examples
• Word Origin

noun 1. a figure of speech in which two unlike things are explicitly compared, as in “she is like a rose.”. Compare metaphor.


2. an instance of such a figure of speech or a use of words exemplifying

I'll go with Simile. The term CLOUDS OF HEAVEN are a simile for ANGELS OF HEAVEN. I always hated English, LOL.

 

[PlainWord]

Sure will at the rapture.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

The left behind dimension would be rediculous at the end of the GT,as there are no christians alive on the planet by the end of the gt

ANOTHER FALSE ASSUMPTION. First, I don't know which of my fellow Post Trib brothers and sisters believe in a post trib rapture. I certainly don't. I believe Christ returns after the Tribulation. But the Rapture does not happen then, only a gathering happens then. Christ comes and gathers His ELECT.

The Rapture (as most view it) happens on the final day of EARTH. It is GOD the FATHER coming in 1 Thes 4:14. This event is separated from Christ return by 1,000 years give or take.

The other false assumption you makes is that there are no Christians alive after the Great Tribulation. THIS IS COMPLETELY BOGUS and conflicts with many passages. We have in MAT 24 the clear statement that unless those days were cut short, there would be none alive so for the sake of the ELECT, those days are cut short. Obviously the ELECT are Christians and they are on earth after the GT. Otherwise who is Christ going to gather? Also, we have this passage in Rev 14:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints; here are those[SUP][g][/SUP] who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me,[SUP][h][/SUP] “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”

The above follows the LORD being seen standing on Mt. Zion. Clearly the Lord is back and clearly Christians are on earth and still subject to being killed. ALL MEN DIE ONCE. This is a BIBLICAL fact (Heb 9:27-28). The only exception is on the last day of planet earth when everyone must be off of it and in spiritual bodies. Remember, the last enemy Christ defeats is DEATH.

 

[PlainWord]

If the parable does not relate to the Great Tribulation with regard to 'post-trib', then neither does it relate to the Great Tribulation with regard to 'pre-trib' -- for, it has nothing [ directly ] to do with the tribulation at all.

If there is no tribulation in the parable, then:

~ there is no 'pre-trib' in the parable...
~ there is no 'mid-trib' in the parable...
~ there is no 'post-trib' in the parable...

"You can't have your cake and eat it too."

If there is no tribulation in the parable, then you cannot say that the parable "promotes" the 'pre-trib' view.

If you say that there is a 'pre-trib' concept present in the parable, then do not say that there is no tribulation in the parable.



The 'covenant' part of it has already occurred. The Bride awaits for the return of the Groom - one time - for the wedding.

The Groom does not take the Bride back to his father's house before the wedding. After the Groom returns, he does not leave again.

~ The 'betrothal' has already occurred.
~ Jesus has gone away to prepare for the Bride.
~ Jesus will come back for His Bride.

When Jesus returns - He is here to stay.

The wedding takes place at the Second Coming of Christ.

Now -- when is the Second Coming of Christ...?

You paint a very beautiful picture Brother Gary!!!

Christ comes to reign. He comes to gather His Elect to reign with Him.

 

[Elin]

The parable of the ten virgins is the second in a trilogy of teachings
on professors of faith vs. possessors of faith (Lk 8:13),
which are separated at the end of time,
keeping in mind that the rapture ("gathering") is at the end of time and final judgment, as shown from authoritative NT teaching in my post quoted here.

The trilogy is:
1) faithful, wise servant vs. hypocrite, wicked servant - no faithfulness and watchfulness (Mt 24:45-51; see Lk 12:35-40),

2) wise vs. foolish virgins - no Holy Spirit (Mt 25:1-30), and

3) the sheep vs. the goats - no obedience (Mt 25:31-46).

Now who in the world would associate a gathering with a gathering?
How silly of us

Mt 25:9-10 is a scattering.